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0 posted 04-06-2006 07:49 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Just a few hours ago it was released that Bush authorized Lewis Libby to disclose the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame and further; that the order came from none other than Vice President Dick Cheney.

This is ostensibly going to be Libby's defense:

quote:

Libby also testified that an administration lawyer told him that Bush, by authorizing the disclosure of classified information, had in effect declassified the information. Legal experts disagree on whether the president has the authority to declassify information on his own.

The White House had no immediate reaction to the court filing.
http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0406nj1.htm



Gonzales speaks;
quote:

Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said the White House would have no comment on the investigation. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said the president has the "inherent authority to decide who should have classified information." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060406/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak



Democrats quickly pounced;

quote:

"President Bush must fully disclose his participation in the selective leaking of classified information," said Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid. "The American people must know the truth."

"The president and the vice president must be held accountable," Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said from the Senate floor. "Accountable for misleading the American people, accountable for the disclosure of classified material for political purposes. It is as serious as it gets in this democracy."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060406/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak



How does all of this play to the hard-core Bush supporters?

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Hahaha....Yanno, I was waiting for something like this, and was highly amused that you never made mention at all for the past week about Representative McKinney's allegations of police misconduct, hate crimes, and sexual assault against the Capital Hill police officer who she allegedly assaulted with a cellphone after he grabbed her shoulder to stop her from bypassing the metal detectors.  He had called for her to stop three times.  She called that 'inappropriate touching'.  Now, I'm not a lawyer, but that term means sexual assault.  She called the entire thing racially motivated since she's black and he's white.  That's a hate crime.  And the fact that a police officer is alleged to have done these things is police misconduct.

Never mind this is not the first, second or even third time she's had runins with Capital Hill police.  Never mind that she was not wearing proper and mandated identification.  Never mind that assaulting a police officer is a crime.  Never mind that her blanket apology (she has yet to apologize to the officer) only came after she learned of the Grand Jury meeting a few blocks away to decide whether or not to press charges, after a week of playing her favorite race card.

No, instead lets focus on what Libby's defense might be and how the Right should be ashamed.  Might be, not is.  That's like saying Jill Carrol might be a Jihadist sympathizer for praising her captors instead of just a young woman telling a Jihad-friendly news agency what they wanted to hear so she'd be released into US custody.
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"Even when I throw him down, he denies that he fell and attains his purpose, persuading even those who saw him fall."

~an opponent of Pericles

the evidence mounts, but what does it matter when so many are unwilling to accept truth over partisanship?
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Ah,

The "LOOK over there!" maneuver.

Well,  works for Moe, Larry, and Curly.

Do you really think that's going to get Fitzgerald though Cat?
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The "look over there' manuever has been very prevalent in this forum, especially when attacking Bush and ignoring any actions of any member of the democratic party.

"The Democrats quickly pounced."  So what's new???
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Just like most everyone else, Libby will say whatever he can to get a lighter sentence, or off the hook by giving his persecutors a bigger fish.  And there aren't that many direct supervisors above him.  All this due to a reporter asking 'innocent' questions in a yes/no fashion under the guise of 'off the record', which used to mean something.  Why is Libby being prosecuted and not the reporter?

Why not do an investigation into Barbara Boxer back in 1994 when she was entering her first term?  She trumpeted placing National Guard troops on the border to help stem illegal immigration, won her seat on that platform, and even got federal appropriations to do it under Clinton's administration and a Democratic controlled House and Senate.  10 months later, nothing had been done.  Even today, noone knows what happened to those federal dollars.  Well, noone but Boxer and her cronies, and maybe a few labor unions.
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This is business as usual... just like the Democrats screaming about the Republican Immigration bill after they voted for it. Blame the Republicans, but don't look at what we did... maybe if we yell loudly enough, they will ignore our own faults.

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nyuk, nuyk, nuyk..
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I'm not going to post any opinions here because everytime I do, the very thing that Raph pointed out occurs.  However, I'll be following this thread up until at least the next big DIVERSION occurs.  
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Iliana, Raph is fluent in Stooge so we expect it

As far as the next big diversion, do you mean like THIS thread? I'm sure something else will pop up very soon.

The speed with which topics find their way from the headline to the Alley is incredible. Investigations being under way mean nothing. Noone wants to waste valuable time actually waiting to see what an investigation may reveal. It seems to be better to just stir the pot as quickly as possible without letting whatever facts may come out getting in the way. We certainly saw it with the gitmo thread. Any Democrats talking about Gitmo now? We saw it with the spying thread. Any Democrats screaming that the procedures be stopped or even evidence that Bush overstepped his authority? We saw it on the ports thread. Anyone asking Dean what he's doing about the ports that continue to be owned by foreign companies? None of the above. It's just easier to throw things up here before any facts are established or investigations conducted and let people get into a lather over it.....and. as 'cat pointed out, amazingly, it only seems to be about Bush. Thank God the saintly Democrats have nothing to fear from our Alley Avengers.
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Can't help but wonder if Boxer and McKinney are quite happy to be compared to Bush.

But, as usual, I'm confused. Is the argument Bush didn't do it or that it was okay to do it?

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Brad, it would seem to me that the argument is whether or not Bush was wrong in doing it. As LR's example illustrates;

"President Bush must fully disclose his participation in the selective leaking of classified information," said Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid. "The American people must know the truth."

"The president and the vice president must be held accountable," Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said from the Senate floor. "Accountable for misleading the American people, accountable for the disclosure of classified material for political purposes. It is as serious as it gets in this democracy."


There's a great example of double-speak. "Accountable for misleading the American people"....what in blazes does that mean? Can anyone name a politician that has NOT misled the American people? How did Bush mislead the American people? "accountable for the disclosure of classified material for political purposes." What does that say? Was it violating a law or not? Is disclosing material for non-political purposes ok then?

"This is as serious as it gets..."? This what? As serious as what gets? This is a statement LR highlights to prove some point?

I see it as another instance of Democrats doing their best to throw mud against a wall in hopes something will stick. They don't make definite charges, claiming actual illegality...they just want to use innuendos to let the American people know that Bush is a real nogoodnik....it's been a standard tactic of theirs.
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quote:

As far as the next big diversion, do you mean like THIS thread? I'm sure something else will pop up very soon.



The thread is a diversion from itself?

Actually -- Machiavelli would be dizzy over this issue because this STORY is a diversion from itself.  What it has become is a story about the leaking of Valerie Plame Wilson's identity and the contents of a National Intelligence Estimate before or after it may have been legally or illegally, officially or unofficially declassified by the POTUS.  None of which anyone is charged with -- because the charges filed against Libby -- Perjury, Obstruction, lying to the FBI (almost the identical charges Moussaoui faces the death penalty over) -- which is yet another diversion from what this case is really about -- the distending of pre-war intelligence to prosecute a war of choice and make it seem like a war of necessity - in the name of National Security.  

National Security the same administration is willing to jeopardize to save itself from embarrassment.  

National Security -- important enough to risk the lives of Americas sons and daughters and spend billions of taxpayer dollars to ensure -- but, not so important to protect if Cheney, Bush, et al's collective butts are on the line.

Nixon wasn't even that cynical.  (That we know of).

But what you didn't see today was the White House denying Libby's testimony.  (look for a Presidential Pardon in that man's future... especially since the special prosecutors findings as filed in the documents which are public indicate that before this is over Powell, Fliescher, Rice, Cheney, and Bush will be taking the stand and raising their right hand.)

You didn't see any Republican leaders on the Hill defending the POTUS or the Administration on this.  

We didn't hear any of the radio right defending this -- what did RUSH talk about today?  Well, let's make a telephone call to a high-school girl and talk about the virtues of Capitalism and how screwed up the liberal university intelligentsia is.  And lets talk about the economy and the latest (hamburger flipping) jobs created in the last quarter.

What we did see three years ago was the POTUS very carefully parsing his words so that one day when the truth actually came out he could wash his hands and say he never said he was going to fire anyone at all -- because he said if they leaked classified information -- all the while acting as though he knew nothing about any of this -- and now his representatives march out in front of the cameras and say -- it wasn't classified because he declassified it all a few days before it happened.

quote:

It seems to be better to just stir the pot as quickly as possible without letting whatever facts may come out getting in the way



This thread is about the facts that were released as finding of fact by the prosecuting attorney and the contents of Libby's testimony before the grand jury.  It seems that -- gee -- three years have gone by before this thread was posted -- but, hey -- I don't want to jump the gun -- let's wait and see how history views this president how about?

quote:

We certainly saw it with the gitmo thread. Any Democrats talking about Gitmo now? We saw it with the spying thread. Any Democrats screaming that the procedures be stopped or even evidence that Bush overstepped his authority?



Prisoner and detainee treatment issues are still very much active stories Mike.  Details are still coming out.  Court cases are still being decided.  
http://www.salon.com/news/abu_ghraib/2006/03/14/introduction/

(don't view the gallery if you have a weak stomach)
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=abu+ghraib+torture++2006&btnG=Search+News
http://news.google.com/news?q=guantanamo+bay+2006&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=X&oi=news&ct=title
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/26/international/26bagram.html?ex=1298610000&en=89ad1b68787786c8&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss


quote:

We saw it with the spying thread. Any Democrats screaming that the procedures be stopped or even evidence that Bush overstepped his authority?



Story's not over Mike... Republicans and Dems on the Judiciary Committee were livid...
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=senate+judiciary+committee+domestic+wiretapping

quote:

It's just easier to throw things up here before any facts are established or investigations conducted and let people get into a lather over it.....and. as 'cat pointed out, amazingly, it only seems to be about Bush. Thank God the saintly Democrats have nothing to fear from our Alley Avengers.



Hey Bugs Bunny -- who discovered America? http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001363.html
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001214.html
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001243.html

on the other hand -- please back up your accusation -- my entire Alley career here:
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001373.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001343.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001330.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001287.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001286.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001275.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001255.html

This is the most germane thread http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001255.html
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001212.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001207.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001197.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000999.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000998.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000980.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000833.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000819.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000736.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000696.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000685.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000672.html http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000736.html
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very interesting reading, LR.  Let's look at it...

We certainly saw it with the gitmo thread. Any Democrats talking about Gitmo now?   (my comment)
your  link rebuttal http://www.salon.com/news/abu_ghraib/2006/03/14/introduction/

Aside from the fact that you got this from such an unbiased publications whose stories include:

THE DECEPTION BUSH CAN'T SPIN - Libby's testimony shows that Bush disclosed national secrets for political gain -- and makes Bush's statements about finding the leaker ludicrous.
EXTERMINATED BY GREED - Hubris and ruthless amorality raised Tom DeLay to the heights -- and hurled him into darkness and disgrace.
A BAND-AID ON A GUSHER - Bush's new fuel-economy standards for SUVs won't reduce America's oil consumption enough to matter
ABOVE THE LAW - Bush claims the right to spy on everything -- including attorney-client conversations. When will Americans have the decency to be shocked?

Aside from this, the link you provided had nothing to do with Gitmo, but Abu Ghrab.

Your link in response to the spying thread goes to a google search page.

As far as my accusation is concerned, it was not intended directly at nor solely for you. I see no one who posts multiple threads attacking Bush go after any Democratic party member at all. How long would it have taken Mckinney to make the Alley if she were a Republican? How long would it have taken New Orleans becoming once again a chocolate city to reach the Alley if those  words had been spoken by a republican? How loudly would Democrats have screamed if a republican mayor left hundreds of buses sitting there instead of used for evacuation? Believe me, there have been multiple opportunities to lambaste Democrats over the years of the Bush presidency but somehow they have been ignored here by those wasting few opportunities to go after Bush.

Your entries in the Alley?

How do you spell Machiavelli? (about Karl Rove)
Democrats and republican ignoring facts
Bush approving waterboard tactics at Gitmo
Another Year in the Alley
Consensuses dealing with global warming
Katrina
Congressional Service Records - "those with the most military experience have been ignored by this administration. From Powell to Shinseke on down."
Prescriptions for Opression
Economic Cannon Fodder
Stop the war, Mr. President
Bureaucrats and barbarians
Traditional Hijacking - "Ms. Rice is extremely intelligent and capable and there is no doubt a daunting task to provide national security -- but the fact remains she did not do her job"
Greer is an  Evangelical Christian man - "Upon the (cough cough) election of George W. Bush to the White House"
Mad as Zell- "So, today Dick, you sank to a near-all-time-low in American politics"
Pain and Suffering - "George has put himself right in the pockets of the insurance companies on this one."
Terry Schaivo
Going Negative - about how the Republicans are just as bad or worse than the Democrats.
Is it 1984 again?

You have  certainly come up with a wide range of subjects and have inspired many in-depth and interesting conversations and you always do so in a very intelligent and well-thought-out manner. My "accusation", however, dealt with people going after Bush and maintaining a hands-of policy in regards to Democrats. With the exception of the second one listed above (which can be called a tie), it seems to apply to your posts as well. Not an accusation - simply an observation. Your individual comments in others threads are much stronger - against Bush and hands-off on others. Just think of all the fun you could have had with Kerry had he been a Republican!
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How many Democrats were President?

Those are specific google searches -- that will always yeild the latest breaking news Mike.

So that if you don't like Salon -- you can simply go down the pages -- I address GITMO as the ongoing debacle of prisoner and detainee abuse that encompasses not only GITMO, but Abu Ghraib and prisoners held in Afghanistan Mike.  Because -- human beings are human beings wherever they are.
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quote:
Iliana, Raph is fluent in Stooge so we expect it


Absolutely, I've been reading your partisan garbage for years, finally picked up on it.
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True, reb....human are humans, wherever they are, but that was not my point as you may know. My point was the hubbub and with-hunting Kennedy and the gang made specifically on GITMO, calling for Bush's head, congressional investigations, inspections, impeachment, the torture, inhumane treatment, deplorable conditions....the whole bit that filled the papers for days and then suddenly disappeared after the democratic fact-finding tour went down there...and then it all magically disappeared.

I must assume from your remark, then, that the President is the only viable target, even though you do manage to get Cheney, Rice and other non-presidential republican figures in there. So be it.

Snappy comeback, Raph. I wouldn't have expected any less of you - or more.
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Me on Dean
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001171.html#22

on Democrats demagoging  Tom Delay
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001213.html#16

defending Bush
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001289-2.html#36

on Blanco and Nagin
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001289.html#6

on Blanco and Nagin again (suggesting they be charged with negligent homicide)
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001292.html#18

an entire thread dedicated to attacking Democratic Governor of Illinois Rod Blagojevich's policy on Pharmacies
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001212.html

on Hillary's healthcare plan
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000978.html#1

me defending Bush
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000823.html#24

me, pointing out leftist hypocrisy in not protesting Clinton's actions in Kosovo
http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/000823-4.html#80

I don't have time for any more Mike -- but, maybe you can dig up all the threads where you defended Clinton and criticized Bush!  


But it's ok.. I know what your point was -- to talk about something besides the disintegration of the W presidency.
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LOL! No, you won't find threads of mine praising Clinton. My feelings for the man as president have never been a mystery.....but then again I've never pretended otherwise. As far as I can remember I've never initated a thread about him, though...not that it matters.

The disintegration of Bush? We will have to see, I suppose. Being unpopular, for a politician, is easy. Standingup for what one believes in, in the face of that unpopularity, is rarer. A Gore or Kerry wouldn't do it. It's a trait I happen to admire.
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Mike... you're still waiting to see of the Nixon administrion disintegrates.

Come to think of it -- this is still part of the Nixon administration.

The smell of death is in the air my friend.  
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And now, we understand why the Democrats act the way they do. Someone gets the thread off topic and everyone seems to forget about the original statement... much as the Democrats do  everytime there is something about President Bush that the public finds out they were wrong about, or something the public finds out they did wrong. Change the subject and the discussion follows and no one remembers the original argument.
Thank you all for illustrating the point.

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So Ringo.. you going to weigh in on the thread or just act like a Democrat then..
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can't help it deery, you're a diuretic, you draw out the worst. might i remind you, as always, the first salvo fired was yours.


the fact remains that the topic of the thread has been ignored and diverted. as usual, rather than address the issue at hand it becomes a partisan smackdown.

is libby trying to save his butt? no question, that doesn't change the importance or validity of his testimony. which, agree or disagree with, is what we should be looking at. is he a snake? absolutely, he should have had the decency to disclose this long before his trial, or the ethics to have walked away when the information was passed down.

as for the president, i wonder if you'd be as understanding and patient for just one democrat scandal, let alone the myriad that face the current administration. an administration that makes nixon and crew look like boyscouts
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quote:
Can anyone name a politician that has NOT misled the American people?

does that makes it okay? or should we have accountability?

quote:
How did Bush mislead the American people?

the administration's 'nigerian link' was used as evidence to support their case against iraq, in this case by claiming it as evidence of nuclear ambitions and heightening fear of iraq as an immenent threat.

quote:
"accountable for the disclosure of classified material for political purposes." What does that say? Was it violating a law or not?

when this evidence was discredited and questions were raised by joseph wilson, his wife's name was leaked, possibly because plame had suggested wilson investigate the niger report. leaking the name of an operative is against the law, which libby should burn for, but libby follows orders

quote:
"This is as serious as it gets..."? This what?


misleading people isn't serious? especially misleading them into war, or manipulating information for gain or retribution against administration detractors, this isn't serious to you?
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It truly is a shame that our rigid two-party system has moved to the extremes of the spectrum, where it seems partisan politics are the domineering force that keep any progress from being made and both sides choose efforts from the extremes to polarize one another rather than governing from the centers and coming to terms of dialogue.

I believe all of us here, including myself, have succumbed to this sort of tug-and-war or "capture the flag" here, and I certainly cannot say I'm proud of it whatsoever. I feel we have taken for granted the meaning of the proverb, "Three humble shoemakers brainstorming will make a great statesman." Though my views are quite different from Balladeer's and Ringo's and Alicat's and Huan Yi's, they all have valuable things to say and I am quite optimistic that while indeed partisan collisions are no stranger here, through our many discussions there is also a maturity and growing understanding between one another, and perhaps we can begin to find more and more common ground soon and brainstorm what it'll take to restore our seemingly fragile democratic system to a rejuvenated state of unity and balance again.

I have certainly been heavily critical of President Bush over the past thirty-eight months, and have constantly strongly noted my disapproval of his policies, which I still absolutely defend my belief that his stubborness, dishonesty and incompetence has moved this country in the wrong direction. I also don't appreciate how he lets his partisan views get in the way of his presidential tasks and deliberately encourages a polarizing effect on our nation, with the "Either you're with us or against us!" rhetoric on the war in Iraq, telling Americans who don't agree with the mission or believe in non-violent solutions that they're advocating an agenda that makes America weaker and brings comfort to our enemies, who as recently as today, on the sensitive, complex issue that is immigration, an issue which has generated internal disputes in both parties including from James Sensenbrenner, layed all the blame solely on Harry Reid for an inability for compromise on immigration legislation. It's in these many instances like this I feel I'm obligated to speak out like I have to keep voices of dissent from being stamped out and unheard. Finally, I don't believe he takes seriously the issues that matter most to many Americans, and I feel efforts in preventing independent investigations in issues from Katrina to illegal wiretapping are representative of that. I feel my speaking out on these terms are justified, as I believe these processes are indeed hurting our checks and balances system and such.

But I also am not proud of the Democrats in that they spend far more time doing and are engaging and interweaving themselves in the same sort of political ping-pong tactics, rather than positively speaking of a vision to take the "American dream" to a whole new era of promsie and integrity. I absolutely agree with Alicat that Cynthia McKinney's actions this past week (and throughout much of her career really) are inexcusable and make her unfit to be a representative. I'm ashamed that we have for a Democratic Party chairman someone who'd rather antagonize the Republicans as "evil" among other things, rather than declare his vision for making the American family stronger than ever. I believe they're tainted with the same ethics problems as the GOP are. A number of Democrats like Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden and Christopher Dodd just sit back and don't speak of what they can do for this country. I believe the Democrats are just as much of the problem with our eroding, democratic system, and why I identify myself as an independent.

I believe both parties are oblivious to exactly how massive the problem with our democratic system is, and neither seem willing to trust or collaborate with the other in working to seek a remedy. Until that day of recognition comes, no matter who's in office, who has the House, who has the Senate, these problems will be deja vu all over again. I absolutely believe this administration must be held accoutable for its errors so we live up to our democratic ideals and don't encourage future presidents of either party to duplicate these wrongdoings and our children that if they can get away with it they can too, but whoever believes the problems stop there are sorely mistaken, and this is a dilemma that is all-encompassing in our system right now which neither party is virginated from. In the end, collaboration, dialogue and governing from the center is our only bet in resolve.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

Mother Teresa
 
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