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Local Rebel
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0 posted 09-05-2005 12:42 AM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel



A hurricane came.  A storm surge followed.  The levees broke.  The city flooded.  Property was damaged and people died.  People died because they stayed.  The vast majority stayed because they were too infirm or impoverished to leave.  They had no cars or airline tickets.  But then the planes stopped flying too.  Instead of being transported out of the city via mass transportation many were herded into a building that was designed to withstand winds 20 miles per hour slower than the ones everyone knew were coming.  They stood outside in a line with babies, in wheelchairs, no bathrooms all day Sunday, waiting to get into the refuge of last resort.  A three-hour trip via mass transit could have had them safely out of harms way.

Three hundred years ago French settlers put down roots in a spot that was between lake Ponchetrain and the Mississippi River.  The settlement grew into a city.  It was fortified with a system of levees.  As the city grew it became an important gateway for trade.  So it grew more.  America fell in love with the automobile.  It needed gasoline and oil.  Petroleum was discovered in the Gulf region.  Drilling began.  Refineries were built.  The city grew more in size and importance to the economy of America.  Many people grew very rich.  More and more people became poor.  The levees are 100 years old.  Studies showed that they needed to be modernized, upgraded.  Funding was diverted to the war in Iraq.  

Because America fell in love with the automobile, and electricity, fossil fuels burn around the clock.  We began importing more and more oil from overseas, from the gulf in the Middle East.  It's an area of great unrest.  From an economic standpoint many thought the area needed to be stabilized to protect our interests in the region.  Many thought we needed to protect ourselves from possible nuclear strikes from Iraq.  Many thought we needed to have a war there.

Hurricane seasons come in multi-decadal cycles.  20 to 25 years.  In the late 70's and early 80's meteorologists warned governments, state, local, and federal that the rapid buildup of population and developed real estate on the nation's coastline was hubris.  No one listened. Throughout the 90's the Gulf Coast of Mississippi was the hotbed for retiree resettlement, even at a faster pace than Florida or Arizona. For the last 10 years the hurricane seasons have increased in intensity and frequency of storms.  This will be the case for another 10 to 15 years.  

Because we burn fossil fuels around the clock the Earth is warming at a faster pace than it would normally warm in its natural cycle.  The water in the oceans is getting warmer.  A couple of degrees difference can turn a category three hurricane into a category five hurricane.  The energy that causes these hurricanes that can strike our nation with the force of ten atomic warheads comes from the solar systems largest, and natural, fusion reactor -- the sun.  We ignore this powerful source of energy.

The levees around the city to keep the river from flooding are destroying the wetlands on the coast that could break up and weaken a hurricane before it hits the city.  This happens because flooding and the fresh sediment that gets deposited when the riverbanks overflow produce the wetlands.  Every year a landmass the size of Manhattan is lost on the coast of Louisiana.  14 billion dollars could have fixed this problem but hasn't been funded for the last 15 years that it's been proposed.

After 9-11 the Federal Emergency Management Agency was rolled into the newly created Department of Homeland Security.  This was a move that was recommended by a special commission and supported by persons of all political ilks.  Except the Bush Administration wasn't particularly fond of the measure.  The new department was housed in an inadequate building, and ignored by the 'security' President.  It's Chief, Tom Ridge, resigned and went home.  

Fema sent Cipro -- a drug to combat Anthrax to the site of the disaster in New Orleans.

They didn't send helicopters.  Or busses.  

A great human tragedy has befallen our nation.   There is blame aplenty to be passed around.  There are problems aplenty to be fixed.  Not the least of which, and most important, remains -- poverty in America.
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The levees are 100 years old.  Studies showed that they needed to be modernized, upgraded.  Funding was diverted to the war in Iraq.


In 1965, after New Orleans and the Gulf Coast was ravaged by hurricanes, Congress passed a measure for the upgraded levee system, and gave the funds necessary for the slated 10 year job.  1975 came and went.  In 2005, the job was only 80% completed.  9 Administrations, and I don't know how many Congressional, governmental, and mayorial elections later.  Nice try on pinning everything on Bush and his Administration.

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Because we burn fossil fuels around the clock the Earth is warming at a faster pace than it would normally warm in its natural cycle.  The water in the oceans is getting warmer.


Um, guess that's also the reason for the catastrophic weather (hurricanes, floods, blizzards, tornados, dust storms, droughts) in the late 1800's and early 1900's.  You know, prior to the mass produced automobile.  And then the downright nasty weather during the late 1920's and early 1930's (not including the partially man-made disaster of the Dust Bowl).  One thing to also consider is the tilt of the Earth's axis.  It's normally around 23 degrees, and has been going through a tilt reversal for a few hundred years and has a very definite impact on weather systems and heating/cooling.

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The new department was housed in an inadequate building, and ignored by the 'security' President.  It's Chief, Tom Ridge, resigned and went home.


In case you forgot, which I don't think you did, Congress is in charge of funding, and earmarked insufficient funds for the Department of Homeland Security.

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They didn't send helicopters.  Or busses.


The Mayor of New Orleans had at his disposal all the municipal buses and school buses, and the authority and civic mandate to use them.  Currently, the school bus depot is full of buses, all standing in about 2 feet of water after the levees broke.  From Thursday through Tuesday, only one moved, and that was stolen (commandeered) and ended up transporting 70 to Houston.  As far as I know, that school bus is still in the Astrodome's parking lot.
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SOME PEOPLE JUST SIT AND GRIPE, AND YOU ARE ONLY ONE OF THEM, I'VE SPENT THE LAST 3 DAYS LOOKING FOR LOVED ONES AND I'M TIRED.  GO AHEAD AND COMPLAIN AND BLAME IT ON ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY, IT JUST DON'T MATTER NOW.
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I suggest both of you re-read the statement
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Forgive an old woman for rambling.  Yes this is a problem that should of been taken care of years ago.  
Maybe after it's all over, we the people can make sure that we are prepared for the next disaster.
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Well written and concise. You know, I've spent the last three days on the internet learning all this.

My wife is pissed.

I should have just waited for you.



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    quote:
The levees are 100 years old.  Studies showed that they needed to be modernized, upgraded.  Funding was diverted to the war in Iraq.

Rebuttal quote:
" Nice try on pinning everything on Bush and his Administration."

Where is the distortion in LR's statement? I can't seem to find anything false in it?
"The levees are 100 years old"- true
"Studies  showed that they needed to be modernized, upgraded" -true
"Funding was diverted to the war in Iraq."- true

These statements are facts, they do "pin" things on the administration...but not "everything"

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"Because we burn fossil fuels around the clock the Earth is warming at a faster pace than it would normally warm in its natural cycle.  The water in the oceans is getting warmer."

Rebuttal quote:

"Um, guess that's also the reason for the catastrophic weather (hurricanes, floods, blizzards, tornados, dust storms, droughts) in the late 1800's and early 1900's."

No, it was not the reason for those bouts of horrible weather, earlier in out history...
Agreed, most weather is still majorly influenced by natural cycles and other natural phenomenon...earth axis tilt, etc.......But the feeling is, of scientists all over the world, that global warming is greatly enhanced by burning fossil fuels, and that the oceans are warming much faster then normal as a result.
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"The new department was housed in an inadequate building, and ignored by the 'security' President.  It's Chief, Tom Ridge, resigned and went home."


Rebuttal quote:
"In case you forgot, which I don't think you did, Congress is in charge of funding, and earmarked insufficient funds for the Department of Homeland Security."

I am a little confused...need more information on "insufficient funds". I thought that "Homeland Security" got what it needed? Ali, if you have a website that explains in numbers what was asked for, and what was got in the last approved budget...please post it here or send it to me.
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"They didn't send helicopters.  Or busses.

Rebuttal quote:

"The Mayor of New Orleans had at his disposal all the municipal buses and school buses, and the authority and civic mandate to use them.  Currently, the school bus depot is full of buses, all standing in about 2 feet of water after the levees broke."

Agreed, a bad mistake.  I wonder why O'Reily hasn't spun this (or others on the right) perhaps they have...It was a good chance to trounce on a Dem. and they usually don't miss those opportunities.

But regardless of that bad mistake, the facts are that "(federal) helicopters and busses took several days after the fact to arrive...It is my understanding that the national guard drug their feet because they had to wait mission approval from the governor(s).....but also that the administration could have moved regular army equipment and men to the scene, had it chosen to react in a timely manner.....I mean, not nearly a week after the event, but actually before the event happened..
Remembering that the intensity and potential damage was predicted by all of the leading weather forecasters...
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The annexation of FEMA by Homeland Security resulted in a huge loss of power in that  important entity. When the Bush administration did this, they also dropped many of its (FEMA's) programs that were designed to make strong first response activity...such as the "project impact" or the "contingent emergency fund" programs...

Yes, pinning some, but not all, on the administration...I don't believe they made the hurricane happen...but some responses explaining their reasons for not responding earlier are laughable....

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Ben Stein's take

Ice, if you'd be so kind in the future, how about including a bit more when you use rebuttal quotes.  You chose one line about 'pinning everything on Bush' but seemed to miss the prior line about 9 Presidential Administrations and a plethora of federal, state and local elections with regards to the levee system.
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Ali
Yes, I will do that from now on (post the entire quote)....believe me, I did read what was said......but that to me is like beating a dead horse....It is the Bush administration, along with a neocon congress who are in charge now, and their actions have wreaked the response system during their short stay in power, (as well as the lack of funding for new levee projects, or the completion of old ones) and have slowed down the processes,that would have not eliminated the terrible mess, but could have made it easier to handle..

Saying that "nine" presidential administrations and a plethora of other governmental elected's have ignored problems of the levee system is correct (in my mind) in part..There has been movement towards solution, forward on this issue, albeit at a cold molasses pace....but not the slow down to a sloth's pace like has existed since Bush came to power....Jimmy Carters formation of FEMA was a giant step forward, pertaining to this;  Bush has all but dismantled that very important program...and that has moved things backward...I do look at history with a critical eye, it is very important....What I see is an administration that has not learned from history, and continues on with their agenda ignoring what happened in the past.
I read "Ben Steins Take" Thank you...
.His crafty way of wording things is very accomplished...I suppose being a speech writer for Nixon and Ford helped him be able to explain his point of view, in short, easily understood sentences... He stayed that course for most of what he said in that article.
I do like his movies and his comedy...

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Thanks For that concise description. I am just ranting around my house, on the same lines, but with less competence.
I just hope that the government will get it together now, and at least help the survivors, of which there should have been MANY more.
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"But regardless"

let's get back to Bush and his
being the spawn of Satan.

That's the sense I get here.
  
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Huan yi
Your sense is wrong, at least where I am concerned..I try to deal with facts, always..sometimes slipping into opinion, true...but I do state that when that is the case...

My beef is with Bush, and the people that put him back in office, in my opinion a great blow against logic and reason, based on historical happenings and a call on much greater minds than who swear allegiance to his outdated theories...

Call him Satan incarnate if you like, but I will not, I just call him conservative of processes tried, and proved to fail...­

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THANKS, REB!
I like the way you presented this information.  For those who may think the crisis is nearly over, since MOST of the people have been evacuated (those still alive anyway)according to the media droplets, I just read a Forbes.com news article that underscores my thoughts...its just startin to reveal itself...this tragedy...as two Nawlins police officers committed suicide, apparently unable to cope with the stress level. And a little old lady in a nursing home talked to her son every day, asking when they would come to rescue her...every day until Friday, that is...when she drowned, still waiting to be rescued.
So no matter what you want to say about it, WE the people basically FAILED the people who were trapped into believing SOMEONE would be there on a timely basis. And for years, many of us have believed beyond a doubt that in a time of need, the good ol USA government would be there. After all, its always 'been there' for others on distant shores if you listen to the media reports.
My point? I've been reading for many years that IF a national disaster occurs, you should be prepared to be on your own for up to a week. i've been through four Red Cross and hospital CPR and First Aid courses. Am I the only one who ever read all those damned handouts, including the blurbs in all the phone books that tell you to be ready to be on your own for a while? Having survived more than one earthquake, a hurricane, 6 years in ALaska, and time in a war zone, I have learned to be as independent as possible. But even I would have expected FEMA or somebody to be there much sooner. We can certainly sort out the lists for blame or credit when the pumps are through sucking up the mess in the south. But for too many, there will be no accountability list that matters.
While I am trying to figure out what happened, who dropped the ball, I am humbled to see so many citizens pick up the ball and run with it, without the government, and most everyone I know has been kicking into the relief effort since the day we saw the crisis begin. Personally, I didn't need to be asked by this or any former Presidents to give, and doubt you did either.
And giving doesn't just mean cash or goods to the south, it means giving every chance you can to make life better, to give someone a helping hand-up, not just a hand-out.

But there is nothing wrong with questionning the who/what/when/where/why of this tragedy, and to focus on how to do better the next time. For there WILL be a next time, and it might be in your own back yard.
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Well the rescue operation has certainly turned the corner Kacey, and the work is beginning on helping families recover.  The overwhelming response of average citizens has been encouraging.  But we don't even begin to comprehend the toll in human lives.  

I'm returning to work tomorrow at my job as will the extensive population of America and the world.  Our forebears chose to establish an economic infrastructure that thrives on division of labor.  We hired people, and counted on them, to be the stewards of our security.  There have been glorious victories and we owe our continued gratitude to the brave men and women who have been on the front lines extracting the victims of this terrible nightmare.  There have been numerous scholars and government officials who have examined these types of scenarios and developed plans to respond to them.  To them we also extend our appreciation.  And, to those who have perpetrated crony politics, corruption, and ineptness at local, state, and federal levels we are obliged to exact reprisal.

It's only September.  The hurricane season runs until late November and even sometimes one pops up in December.  Next week it could be in Miami, or Myrtle Beach, or Galveston, or Pensacola.  

But for the last week America saw what the ravages of poverty do to our fellow citizens standing in front of a convention center, or in a stadium.  Or running through the streets attempting to find diapers, crackers, a drink of water, while their flesh is blistering from the poisonous floodwaters engulfing them.  We need to recognize that poverty is a ravaging destroyer every day to the millions, mostly children, who are victim to it.  Day in and day out it takes its pound of flesh in life, health, dreams, hope, love, and peace.  
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The flooding there is really awful, and I've seen that kind of nasty stuff myself, Reb.  Which is why flooded out home owners are asked and ordered not to return to their homes until it's clear, which means not until debris and highly contaminated waters are removed.

Ice, thanks for that.  JFK was assassinated in 1963, so that leaves 8 Administrations since the New Orleans levee project was started.  It began in 1965 after Hurricane Betsy, and was supposed to be done by 1975.  In 2005, it was only 80% completed, with most of the levees created not by the Army Corps of Engineers, but by private contractors hired by the Governor and Mayor.  Those subsided several feet, thus lowering their protection versus flooding, and were the ones which were breached.  Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, GW Bush Administrations in the past 40 years when those levees could have been created, finished, strengthened and maintained.  40 years of governors and mayors, of local/state/federal legislators.  To lay it all at GW Bush's doorstep 40 years after the inception of the levee program is grossly unfair.
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http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/katrina/BBC_Katrina.mpg

--This BBC interview takes forever to download for some reason.


quote:
Northcom started planning before the storm even hit. We were ready when it hit Florida, because, as you remember, it hit the bottom part of Florida, and then we were planning once it was pointed towards the Gulf Coast.

So, what we did, we activated what we call 'defense coordinating officers' to work with the states to say, 'OK, what do you think you will need?' And we set up staging bases that could be started.

We had the USS Bataan sailing almost behind the hurricane so once the hurricane made landfall, its search and rescue helicopters could be available almost immediately. So, we had things ready.


Except that:

quote:
The only caveat is we have to wait until the President authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion; we have to wait for the President to give us permission.


If you're really that worried about blaming the President all the time, blame it on the advisors.

That'd still work for me.

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By the way:

“The Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco said at the same news conference that President Bush had called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation. “

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4216508.stm

There’s an overhead shot of a whole lot of school buses
parked in water.

And yes, as Alicat has pointed out, there are laws about what the
feds can do unilaterally, (or even within itself; the CIA and FBI
sharing intelligence before 911).


P.S. Question: was the water rising on Friday?
And where was the staff at the nursing home?
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quote:

To lay it all at GW Bush's doorstep 40 years after the inception of the levee program is grossly unfair.



That was never the case here
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That remark of mine was targetted for this thread, and other Alley Katrina threads when the rallying call is to blame the President for all of the world's ills.  It's also targetted at most of the media and elected officials who have been more than happy to gather up all the blame and lay it on the doormat of the White House.
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In reading what I have written and everyone else's responses......I am beginning to understand. No, I have never understood politics and (like I said in one of my posts) maybe I should before I respond. Thanks Ali, your responses especially have taught me alot. However, I still believe that everyone here needs to vent whether it blames someone or not. Instead of criticizing one maybe we should try to have them see it another way or educate them. I, having no cable or TV, I saw this at my sisters for a short time. I can see why one would be angry or to feel some sort of anger. NO, it doesn't do us any good and we should turn that anger into energy and help some way shape or form. I am sure everyone (maybe not all) sits on the edge of their seats while watching this hoping and wishing someone would hurry up and help the victims. And when they are not fast enough, people are outraged and then the next question in their minds are.....why? when? who?

There is only so much I can do out here in Ca. I am sending cloths, canned goods and I am donating. That is the BEST I can do.
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There was no rally like that in this thread -- but your initial response was particularly accusatory Cat.
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Katrina chronology

Here is the timeline:

Friday, Aug. 26:


quote:
_ Katrina weakens over land to a tropical storm before moving out over the Gulf of Mexico. It grows to a Category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds, veering north and west toward Mississippi and Louisiana.


_ 10,000 National Guard troops are dispatched across the Gulf Coast.


Saturday, Aug. 27:


_ Eleven people dead in Florida from hurricane-related causes.


_ Katrina becomes a Category 3 storm, with 115 mph winds; a hurricane warning is issued for Louisiana's southeastern coast, including New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain, and for the northern Gulf coast.


_ New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declares a state of emergency and urges residents in low-lying areas to evacuate.


_ Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour declares a state of emergency. A mandatory evacuation is ordered for Hancock County.


_ Coastal Gulf residents jam freeways and gas stations as they rush to evacuate.



Sunday, Aug. 28:


_ Katrina grows into a Category 5 storm with 160 mph winds and heads for the northern Gulf coast.


_ Nagin orders a mandatory evacuation for New Orleans. But 10 shelters are also set up, including the Superdome, for those unable to leave.


_ Evacuation orders are posted all along the Mississippi coast.


_ Alabama Gov. Bob Riley declares a state of emergency.


Monday, Aug. 29:


_ Katrina, a Category 4 hurricane with 145 mph winds, makes landfall near Buras, La., at 6:10 a.m. CDT (7:10 a.m. EDT).


_ President Bush makes emergency disaster declarations for Louisiana and Mississippi, freeing up federal funds.


_ Katrina rips two holes in the Superdome's roof. Some 10,000 storm refugees are inside.


_ At least eight Gulf Coast refineries shut down or reduce operations.


_ Airports close in New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Biloxi, Mobile and Pensacola. Hundreds of flights are canceled or diverted.


Tuesday, Aug. 30:


_ The hurricane death toll in Mississippi rises to more than 100.


_ Two levees break in New Orleans and water pours in, covering 80 percent of the city and rising to 20 feet deep in some areas. Many people climb onto roofs to escape.


_ Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco says everyone still in New Orleans ?an estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people ?must be evacuated. Crowds swell at the Superdome and the New Orleans convention center.


_ Rescuers in helicopters and boats pick up hundreds of stranded people in New Orleans. Reports of looting emerge.


_ About 40,000 people are in American Red Cross shelters, not including New Orleans.


_ Bush cuts short his vacation to focus on the storm damage.


Wednesday, Aug.31:


_ Nagin offers a startling estimate of New Orleans' death toll: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands," he says.


_ "At first light, the devastation is greater than our worst fears," says Blanco, Louisiana's governor.


_ The looting grows exponentially. Thieves use a forklift to smash into one pharmacy. Blanco asks the White House to send more people. New Orleans police are called off search-and-rescue missions to combat out-of-control looting.


_ Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt declares a federal health emergency throughout the Gulf Coast, sends in medical supplies and workers.


I've highlighted Nagin's and Bush's actions and stopped it, roughly, at Nagin's SOS plea.

Feel free to quote from the rest if you want.
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And they've proven, Ali, over the past five years, that they will never stop. Some seem to have made it the focal point of their political careers. I guess they don't have a clue that most of us have learned to tune them out when they begin to play their broken record.

From what I have been able to gather, the mayor only ordered a mandatory evacuation on Sunday, and only after the urging of the president. Perhaps if he had ordered it on Friday or Saturday there wouldn't have been so many stranded people. And perhaps if the people had listened to the mayor and brought with them enough provisions (food and bottled water) for themselves and their families for several days, as well as blankets and pillows to the Super Dome,  their stay there may have been a little more bearable. But then again, six hours was hardly sufficient time for people to prepare for a mass evacuation, and to have sufficient supplies on hand to bring with them. The mayor could also have made arrangements to have bottled water, foodstuffs, and sufficient security on hand to handle the crowds he knew would seek shelter in the Super Dome. He could have learned some very valuable emergency management protocols from his Houston neighbors at the Astro Dome. What excuse can he possibly have for not being at least as prepared as Houston always is (to receive refugees from Galvaston) in light of his city's geographical location, and with a good portion of it below sea level?

The governor could also have given Bush her approval for him to send troops into LA. He offered. She refused. She could also have called up the LA National Guard. She didn't. The National Guard that did arrive on Thursday, finally, two days after the levees broke, were from Texas. The LA National Guard should have been called up immediately and been on hand and ready to go to maintain order as much as possible prior to the lawlessness that broke out in the aftermath of the storm and subsequent flooding that played a large role in hindering and delaying the relief efforts of the Red Cross and FEMA workers.

The mayor and the governor dropped the ball and badly managed their respective responsibilities. And these are two of the primary figures pointing the finger at the Federal government for not being better able, and in a more timely fashion, to clean up the mess that their respective imcompetence helped to create.
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23 posted 09-06-2005 09:08 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Then my apologies, Reb.  In your starting post, you did not mention the POTUS by name.  That being said, you did cite several examples that have been used in other threads to directly attack President Bush.  Global warming = President Bush not signing Kyoto Treaty.  Funds diverted to Iraq = President Bush attacking Iraq.  And though I haven't seen it here, I have read elsewhere of the Vanishing Wetlands = President Bush's environmental record.  So often, it seems all the ills of the world started in 2000, having never occured prior, at least to certain politically motivated persons.  So my 'nice try' response was unfair, since I read in a President's name that was not strictly mentioned.  Reading between the lines is another matter, for another time.

It would appear that there are many who don't like FEMA being part of Homeland Security, like Senators Pelosi and Clinton, though both were completely enamored by the notion when that department was created.  President Bush was tarred, at the time, for not wanting FEMA to be part of Homeland Security.  Perhaps it's high time that combination was questioned.
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24 posted 09-06-2005 09:19 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Accepted Cat.  And I understand that some people have done that -- and I specifically wanted to contextualize the reticulate issues that are involved in this disaster.

10,000 people dead, and we hope it isn't that many.. is unacceptable performance.  Everyone who is in a position of authority needs to have thier feet held to the fire for thier area of responsibility.

But it's not about the 'Blame Game' -- it's about root cause failure analysis -- that's a process of fixing systemic problems.  To do that we have to understand the legacy systems that are in place -- and then figure out where to plug the holes.

Run a google on 'root cause failure analysis', or 'five why's'.  
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