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0 posted 04-06-2005 12:28 AM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel

After the GOP made history by dominating the elections of 1994, Tom DeLay was elected in a landslide by his GOP faithful. And for a long time, DeLay has been frequently considered the most powerful Republican in much recent memory.

Tom DeLay began to grow a strong reputation to help the GOP win when the odds seemed to run against them, with victory after victory for House Republicans under his outreach effort he has called "growing the vote".

With "growing the vote", DeLay earned the utmost trust of his party and has been credited for many achievements he got the House to pass, including the Contract with America, the Balanced Budget Act, and Bush's tax cut agendas.

For over twenty years now, DeLay has represented the 22nd District of Texas, where he has won time and time again.

Throughout his history, DeLay has been no stranger to controversy.

From a chain of controversies including the obstruction of justice charge in Saipan on sweatshop workers in taking large campaign contributions from their chief lobbyist and blocking Congressional investigation of conditions there, to the recent controversy surrounding him for accepting an all-expense paid trip to South Korea in 2001 from a foreign agent, DeLay has been an all-too-familiar face in the headlines.

However, it's no suprise that his nickname happens to be "The Hammer", who has been resilient to many controversies time and time again.

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But now DeLay, for the first time, could be facing an uphill battle.

Last November, DeLay won his 11th career term in the House with 55% of his district vote, his lowest share ever.

Even more bad news for DeLay surfaces in a new Houston Chronicle poll released yesterday featuring 501 participants (268 Republicans, 166 Democrats, 66 Independents, 1 Libertarian).

Following the intense controversy and dissent surrounding being admonished in the House Ethics Committee three times, as well as his recent role in the Schiavo debate, nearly 40% of poll respondents say they view DeLay less favorably compared to a year ago, and 49 percent saying they would vote for someone other than him if the election for the 22nd District were held today.

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What are your thoughts and opinions?

Does The Hammer still have plenty of swing, or may this controversy prove to be too much for him to rise above?

Sincerely,
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Politicians investigating other politicians...so rich.

I admire the man. He is one of the very few who doesn't have Terri's blood on his hands.
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2 posted 04-06-2005 02:46 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Well, this didn't take long LOL! I heard on the news this morning that DeLay was in for it - that the Democrats were circling. The fact that the Washington Post has come out and said that, in fact, he has done nothing wrong the Democrats will attack by unsupported headlines and innuendos to try to sway public opinion against him.....you're quick, Noah


By the way, Noah, it is quite obvious that your post is a reproduction of an article. It's proper to state where the article is from when posting it.
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It really wasn't that long ago that Democrats held majority sway in southern states.  The fact that Delay has held his post for that long is testimony to the changes in southern states, where Republicans for the longest time were labeled 'Carpetbaggers', or more succintly, 'Traitors'.  The more powerful and bigger one becomes, the larger the target afforded to those who take perverse delight in trying to bring everyone larger than themselves down.

On a side note, Delay is from my home county, with his offices in the county seat of Brazoria County, where I was raised.  All during the 80's and 90's, he was the primary voice and factor for most of the county growth in business and industry, including the huge rise in small businesses.  Regrettably, most of those small businesses are gone now, due to being swallowed by larger retail chains, forced out by larger retail chains, or having to close down due to high taxes (business and property).  And for the record, it has always been state Democrats who pushed for and got those higher taxes for their own agendas, never caring about the harm to small business.

Though I do hold Delay accountible for his wrong doings, those trying to bring him down have their own skeletons.  Let them clean out their own closets before opening his.
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Why don't we wait until wrongdoing has been established? So far, all they have is suspition.
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Nope, Balladeer, no article reproduction. I read a lot, of course, and so familiar points click. With my news experience being to happen at KBOO radio, I seem to be getting some journalist tongue now! (giggles)

I've actually been tempted to start this thread months ago, because, after all, the violation of ethics controversy surrounding DeLay hasn't just come up, it's been around for months, and social justice and corporate crime are two things I take to heart very much.

However, it's not just Democrats that seem to have a united opposition toward DeLay, some of his own party faithful are dissenting on his part. THAT'S primarily why I finally believed it was appropriate to start this topic now, but not before as it would obviously make it seem like some character assassination conspiracy to everyone or something, and I suppose some would still perceive it as that now, but that really isn't my intent here.

I think that's the point why now this DeLay thing is escalating to unprecedented levels. That, like Alicat says, he has wrong-doings and his own closet to clean, but he's went on undisciplined and such so as to allow this ongoing behavior in the House. And currently, many may finally have had enough with this pattern. But the worst part is that these charges or suspicions haven't even been looked over.

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Not A Poet, I very much understand what you mean here, though I do think much of the points brought up are authentic nevertheless.

What I'm basically trying to do here is lay everything out on the table here and so we can juxtapose it all out because this is bound to be quite an investigation and I believe there's a lot of clutter here. I believe I launched this thread with a moderate tone. that is, not toned to cast DeLay as guilty before proven guilty.

I think it's natural we have suspicions of one another that lead us to believe when reinforced in particular they sound to be true, like with the Kofi Annan threads, for instance. I respect and understand some who went after Annan had those suspicions before he was cleared recently and found no evidence he was part of the oil-for-food charges, and even understand if they still are not fully convinced.

I believe my suspicions of DeLay are righteous here, and believe it would do us good just to see everything organized here so we know where to go from here rather than just resume and assume.

Sincerely,
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I think perhaps the best place in start in looking in light of these patterns of controversy is understanding his relationship with Jack Abramoff.

Lou Dubose, author of "The Hammer: Tom DeLay: God, Money, and the Rise of the Republican Congress.", really delves into those close relations, and how Abramoff's name appears under the same thread as Tom DeLay in many of the controversial moments DeLay has fallen under, which Dubose includes the trip to Moscow in 1997 and a golfing trip DeLay took to England where Abramoff came along with him on.

Then he mentions of the single most controversial moment for DeLay to date, where Abramoff and public relations consultant Mike Scanlon were centerfold in the alleged bilking of tens of millions of dollars in lobbying and public relations fees from the Tigua Indian Reservation in El Paso, Texas, an area which was struck by high crime and poverty for decades but a new casino built there helped the tribe economically, in which DeLay's political action committee is linked to.

I believe personally that is what should be scrutinized in particular here. Seeing the relations between DeLay's political action committee and DeLay and his closest associates like Abramoff, and find possible ethics violations on that level.

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Noah, i have to wonder about your interest and determination in DeLay. I can assure you - and can prove - that there have been many other congressmen who have committed actions similar, and even more drastic, than DeLays along the same lines and yet I've never seen you bring them up or even question them. Is it because they were Democrats or is DeLay just the "republican of the day" to bash? I think these "drives for the truth" would carry a little more validity if some of the political bias was not so apparent.

Hey, Noah, if you actually wrote that first part of your message (and I believe you that you did) you should definitely go into journalism!!! That was very smooth and professional
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ONe name

Kennedy.
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Absolutely, Balladeer. I have not abruptly forgotten that even as I have been focusing on DeLay here, both corporate parties have characters with attitudes like his.

You know, I have a thread on Defenders of Peace where I always talk about these monkeys on politicians backs from both parties. I touch on Tom DeLay and Bush as you probably have figured, but I also touch on Democrats like Joe Lieberman, Ken Salazar, and Harry Reid a lot as well. So-called "Democrats" like that are very well the reason I am not a self-declared Democrat, but an independent.

I believe the example of Tom DeLay here is crucial because, after all, he is the House Majority Leader. So much of the world and policy revolves around him, he is one of the most influential characters in all the government.

And it is troubling to me when, of course any politician, but especially one of highest stature, seems to have exhibited ongoing and consistent patterns of unethical behavior that seem to have only brought out the worst in us all.

I take this issue seriously because, especially when those among his own party are even speaking out against him in his home community of Sugarland, Texas, that strikes me as that this sort of behavior has gone on long enough and is the final straw, and he must be disciplined somehow, or resign if he's not going to do so.

It's important because this is all about example. It's kind of like how seriously the GOP thought of Clinton lying under oath about his affair as bad example and a bad influence on the youth of America, in encouraging them, perhaps, they would be motivated to cut corners themselves and it is OK to cheat if the First Man does.

Now, of course I am not directly comparing DeLay to Clinton here, as DeLay obviously hasn't lied under oath, etc.

Nevertheless, if we just allow all this behavior to go on without even reflecting or examinating it, it's a bad influence to not just the House, but America at large. It would influence this whole "get out of jail free" behavior I believe somehow.

With great power comes great responsibility...or irresponsibility. I'm concerned that many believe the latter has emerged under him, and awareness is what drove me to start this topic, not character assassination.

For I believe if you're not going to take your job maturely and cut corners only to allow the repercussions to come back and haunt the House later, you may not be the right person to handle the job. Someone who is more self-reflexive, perhaps.

Sincerely,
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"Innocent until proven guilty" has been the foundation of our legal system since the beginning. Of course it doesn't always work but I still believe in it. Any other presumption is, and deserves to be, unacceptable.
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Absolutely agree, my friend.

We are all entitled to our own personal opinions of any individual before the process, but that IS the golden rule.

So, can we together discuss the controversial nature behind DeLay and begin to get an understanding of what he should take responsibility for and what is just blatant exageeration on the part of partisan witchcraft?

I myself am not interested in producing that sort of witchcraft, nor do I want to sit back without getting to the heart of the matter for the health of our nation. I want to find a faultline beyond that and just declutter all this somehow.

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I agree with Pete. I just wish you'd listen to yourselves once in awhile.

Here's a list of potential problems:
http://slate.com/id/2116392/
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Regarding Terry Schiavo:
http://slate.com/id/2115879

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Why the difference between then and now? Maybe because DeLay saw his father as a human being. He speaks of Schiavo as something more—and less. "It's more than just Terri Schiavo," DeLay told the Family Research Council on March 18. "It is a critical issue for people in this position, and it is also a critical issue to fight the fight for life, whether it be euthanasia or abortion. And I tell you, ladies and gentlemen, one thing that God has brought to us is Terri Schiavo, to elevate the visibility of what's going on in America."

This is what happens when you approach a tragedy as a politician rather than as a family member. You see quality of life as a slippery-slope abstraction, not as a reality affecting someone you love. You find it easy to impose a standard of documentation that would have forced your family to break the law. You second-guess a spouse in a way you would never second-guess your mother. You challenge people's competence and impugn their character. You perceive the afflicted person more as God's tool than as God's child.

I don't have a lot of respect for a man who treats a woman this way. But to dismiss him as a hypocrite would further politicize a case he has already politicized too much. My question is: What kind of man is he? My answer is: He's a better child than politician. So are we all. That's why families should make these decisions, and Congress should stay out.

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Physically, Charles DeLay was in far worse shape than Terri Schiavo. He needed dialysis, not just nutrition. He was 65, not 41. His body, unlike hers, was failing. But mentally, his condition was similar. According to his sister-in-law, doctors told the family that Charles DeLay would "basically be a vegetable." A neighbor who had visited him in the hospital said he "did a bit of moaning and groaning, I guess, but you could see there was no way he was coming back." Tom DeLay's mother told the Times that her husband seemed unconscious except that "whenever Randy [his son] walked into the room, his heart, his pulse rate, would go up a little bit."


Brad, the part that I underlined is what makes the difference, and it is a big difference. His father was dying. Terri wasn't.

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So it is okay to pull the plug in certain cases?
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First point; I don't think there is a politician, bureaucrat, or journalist in the beltway that doesn't believe the Democrats are trying to make as much political hay out of Tom Delay as they can.  

Second point; There is a difference between doing nothing illegal and committing ethics violations Deer.  The Washington Post did not say he did nothing wrong. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28319-2005Apr5.html?nav=slate  He was admonished three times last year alone by the ethics committee.  The current ethics problems have certainly been committed by other Congressmen (Jim Wright, Tony Cohelo, Newt Gingrich) among which was putting family members on the payroll to siphon off campaign funds.  While a common practice the problem arises with the AMOUNTS paid -- and in this case a half a million bucks to DeLay's wife and daughter -- that's DeSgusting.

Third point; Where are Jim Wright, Tony Cohelo, and Newt Gingrich?

Fourth point;  even The Red State Journal (oops my faux-pas -- I mean the Wall Street Journal) has now turned on DeLay http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006479  saying that he 'Smells Like the Beltway'.

Fifth point; these are not failures of ideology -- they are human failings and the corrupting influence of power.  They divert our attention from the issues -- but need to be handled.  Fortunately when the Republican leadership tried to change the rule back in November that wouldn't allow DeLay to continue as Whip in the event he was indicted -- the rank and file Republicans protested to keep the rule in place.  It is an argument for the removal of Tom Delay and the instatement of TERM LIMITS.
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even The Red State Journal (oops my faux-pas -- I mean the Wall Street Journal)

Reb, that kind of comment exposes your biased agenda and brings into question your credibility. You're too good to resort to that. I know you can make a powerful argument without such.

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No Pete, we have to recognize the bias of media -- we have blue leaning media (The New York Times, the LA Times, CNN)  We have red leaning media (The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times , Fox News) and we have some media that makes a decent attempt at being objective (Washington Post (which used to have a left tilt but has come back to center), MSNBC, Slate)

What's disingenuous is for the right to always complain about the dominant liberal media -- we live in a free market -- the National Review and the Wall Street Journal didn't have the reach that the New York Times had because people didn't want to read them -- they were never censored out of the public view -- we're talking about companies competing for market share here.

In the founding days of the nation the newspapers were STRICTLY organs for one political view or the other -- we don't need to complain about it -- we just need to recognize each one for what it is.
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Brad, that would be a personal decision. I can certainly understand not wanting to take extraordinary measures when someone is at death's door and the measures will only prolong, by hours or days, the dying. I can't see ever withholding food (unless their bodily systems are shutting down and the food can't be processed), and hydration, even if someone is dying. That only increases the patient's pain. If they are truly terminal, truly dying, they will die, even if food and water is maintained. But as we have seen with Terri, and now probably with Mae, patients who are not terminal will definitely die without food and water, just as you or I would.
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Sorry for the spelling error, that should read Tony Coelho...
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Actually, I was watching the McLaughlin Group last night after "NOW", which I regularly watch every Friday on PBS, Local Rebel, and I believe the Wall Street Journal actually called DeLay "Odor of the Beltway", not "Smells Like The Beltway".

Indeed that is very interesting and relevant that The Wall Street Journal has themselves denounced DeLay. It comes to no suprise whatsoever that the Times and the Washington Post have done likewise before, and DeLay came out to say it's just another lousy attempt for the Democrats to defame him, and then all a sudden this endorsement of dissent on his part comes from this publication.

One thing is certain here. DeLay is a polarizing figure presently within the GOP, and has been seen as a symbol of why approval ratings for the House and Congress have plunged as of late.

I'm going to pause here for now while I try and sort out on my own all the individual claims out there and research them.

Local Rebel, you are right about the state of our media. I do agree it's pointless to just claim the whole media is a red-or-blue media out there. I happen to believe it's simply just "washed down and washed out" by corporate influences and "officialdom" as I like to call it, and the "officialdom" just tends to sway one way or the other like a fan palm in Martinique.

I do believe the "officialdom" in many of our news outlets often sways strongly to the right, and I believe MSNBC, for instance, also leans that way despite a tolerant Chris Matthews and a left-leaning Keith Olbermann, especially considering how Phil Donahue was fired despite having the network's top-rated program, and with the way Tucker Carlson is coming to the network, it can come to show more.

I believe our "free market" still exists here, but the bottom line is I believe we need to work to show how "free" the market can be. We ought to take the Schiavo protests to heart, which I was more than gladdened to see on the networks, and now say, "Let those protests be example to how ALL protests SHOULD and MUST be televised!"

Anyway, I digressed. The point is, I agree that we've got to look beyond the black-and-white matter and outlook of how we perceive our media and just acknowledge that we have to work to return the microphone to regular American citizens, which it has always belonged to in the first place.

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Well you have a good ear Noah -- but if you look at the article you'll see that the actual quote is;

quote:

The Beltway wisdom is right. Mr. DeLay does have odor issues. Increasingly, he smells just like the Beltway itself.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006479



It's a cute sound bite but I think that the real salient phrase is this;

quote:

Taken separately, and on present evidence, none of the latest charges directly touch Mr. DeLay; at worst, they paint a picture of a man who makes enemies by playing political hardball and loses admirers by resorting to politics-as-usual.

The problem, rather, is that Mr. DeLay, who rode to power in 1994 on a wave of revulsion at the everyday ways of big government, has become the living exemplar of some of its worst habits.



The people do have the microphones Noah.  Rush Limbaugh has a microphone -- so does Al Franken.  People own those corporations -- but we need to re-examine the regulations regarding how many outlets a single company can own in a given market -- that's where there is a huge potential problem.
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Oh, OK, thanks for that, LR!

In response to your point about the microphone and who has it, I'm not greatly convinced that the people at large have access to our cultural microphone.

I am very lucky and very forturnate to live in a community where there actually is a community-driven radio station, KBOO. It's awesome. Over 80% of the money given to the station comes from everyday citizens just working to make a living and follow the regular American dream. KBOO gets no endorsements from Comcast or BP/Amoco or Bill Gates or any such corporate interest, it's all from the community. And the fact this current pledge drive has been taking in unprecedented numbers, especially during a time where Oregon is economically unstable, REALLY means something and tells me something as well.

But let's face it. So many other markets in America don't have community radio, and could only dream to have something like that. Seattle doesn't even have a community radio station! It's true!

I'll tell you something else. Today, while working for the Pledge Central phone bank at KBOO, I got a $40 basic membership contribution from someone living in Bismarck, North Dakota. We actually stream KBOO radio via http://www.kboo.fm/ and anywhere worldwide you can hear it on your laptop. And getting a pledge from someone over three state lines, THAT'S incredible. Obviously a majority of our donations come from people living in the Portland metropolitan area, but someone else claimed they got a donation from someone living in Spain who listens to KBOO on their computer. And I've got to tell you, that's amazing.

And that tells me something too. That people are feeling THAT urgent about the need for the airwaves to return to the community, to the people.

That's the point I was trying to get across earlier, Local Rebel.

And yes, absolutely, about the serious need to evaluate the regulation rules and matters. Especially with a new FCC charirman, Kevin Martin, who's not much more savvy about regulation than Powell was, it's serious business and the matter or regulation is in dire need to be examined.

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Rick Santorum and Representative Chris Shays of Connecticut of the GOP came out today to express their take on this developing controversy.

Shays claims DeLay is hurting the party's images and upcoming 2006 election potential, and believes deLay should step down from his position as House Majority Leader.

Meanwhile, Santorum has said that though he believes everything that's been reported of him is true to the law, that his own district and people should be the ones to judge him.

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I suppose all this information is beginning to get examined more closely and we'll just have to wait and see where this goes from here.

Sincerely,
Noah Eaton

"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other"

Mother Teresa

 
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