navwin » Archives » Critical Analysis #2 » Phoebus' Wrath
Critical Analysis #2
Post A Reply Post New Topic Phoebus' Wrath Go to Previous / Newer Topic Back to Topic List Go to Next / Older Topic
Essorant
Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769
Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada

0 posted 2007-05-02 12:05 PM


  Cont'd from: /pip/Forum28/HTML/001899.html  



Phoebus Apollo heard his prayer
And hastened down Olympus fair.
The silver bow his shoulders graced
His quiver with its ends encased,
His arrows rattling with his wrath,
As like the night he made his path.
Then, from the ships, he sat apart,
And from afar dispatched a dart.
Therewith, the bow aloud and clear
Twanged ominously to the ear!
It struck swift dogs and mules at first,
And then the Grecian army cursed.
So many then were stricken sick
And e'er the pyres of dead burnt thick.

Nine days the fatal arrows flew
Stinging the army through and through;
Till on the tenth, Achilles strong,
To council called the Grecian throng,
By whitearmed Hera thus inclined,
Who mourned their loss, and moved his mind.
When gathered were the Grecian folk,
Achilles, swift of foot, upspoke:
"O Atreus' son, I think and say
We wandered far to turn away,
If now such death we would outrun
Subdued, by war and plague as one.
But come, and let us truly ask
Some prophet or some priest the task,
Or dreamteller, indeed, to tell,
- For dreams are sprung from Zeus, as well -
Why angry Phoebus deals such doom,
If for some vow or hecatomb,
If lambs' savour or pure goats' may
His wrath, our ruin, turn away."
Thus spoke Achilles to the men
And settled in his seat again.
Then, of all seers, Calchas, the best,
Arose, who knew all in his breast,
All things that were, in insight bore,
That yet to be and that before;
That, with his gift from Phoebus, led
The ships of Greeks to Ilios' stead.
With good intent the seer fullblest
The Greek assembly thus addressed:
"Achilles, wilt thou I reveal,
Phoebus' wrath, causes unconceal?
Therefore I will, but swear to stand,
By me, with words and helping hand.
For truly one, I ween, with sway
O'er Greeks shall loathe the sooth I say.
A king shall rage and mightier can
When lording o'er a lesser man.
And swallows rage one day, but next,
Still secretly his heart is vexed.
And, bitterness, his breast holds fast,
Until he wreaks revenge at last.
If thou wilt save me, give thy word,
To shield me if distaste be stirred."


© Copyright 2007 Essorant - All Rights Reserved
carter07
Junior Member
since 2007-04-26
Posts 31

1 posted 2007-05-03 07:52 PM


This is brilliant. It tells a story, it flows well, its just superb! I love it.
Essorant
Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769
Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada
2 posted 2007-05-03 11:00 PM


Thanks Carter.

Remember though, this forum is for critique, not just praise.  

rhia_5779
Senior Member
since 2006-06-09
Posts 1334
California
3 posted 2007-05-05 08:02 AM


Alot of it is inverted rhymes and it mostly sounds alright but some parts I was reading through it and was thinking, this doesn't make sense, I wouldnt talk this way. Also there are parts when I was reading that seemed you took out words grammar oriented to make it fit in a rhyme scheme, or they just didn't appear.  I mean I can't see you actualy taking out words just for the rhyme scheme but some sentences read that way.
Essorant
Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769
Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada
4 posted 2007-05-06 10:24 AM


Rhia,

Can you refer to the specific parts that you found fault with?

Essorant
Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769
Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada
5 posted 2007-05-08 12:19 PM


I decided to put this part in here as well.  This was the most difficult.

   Cont'd from /pip/Forum28/HTML/001908.html#0
  

Therewith, Achilles, swift of foot,
Thus to the Seer his answer put:
"In courage, by all means, impart
The oracles that fill thy heart.
As by Apollo thou wilt pray,
And now the sooth prophetic say,
So by Apollo, word I give
That while on earth I look and live
None by our hollow ships shall stand
To put on thee a heavy hand;
Nor e'en, of Atreus' son to speak,
He, that boasts him the greatest Greek!"

The blameless Seer, enhearted then,
Spoke and declared among the men:
"'Tis nor for vow nor hecatomb
That angry Phoebus deals such doom,
But for the insult lately done
To Phoebus' priest by Atreus' son,
When he the daughter ne'er released
Nor took the ransoms from the priest.
For this, Fardarter bent his bow
And sent upon the Greeks such woe.
Nor will he heavy hands of plight,
Withhold, until we act aright;
The brighteyed maid to Chrysa bear
Unransomed, to the father's care,
And holy hecatombs donate
To mend the wrong and end the hate."
This having spoken to the men
The Seer resumed his seat again.

Then Atreus' son the Grecian chief,
That held wide rule arose in grief.
His mood with melancholic ire,
His eyes on blaze as shining fire,
He first on Calchas evilly eyed
Then to the Seer he thus replied:
"O Seer of evils!  Yet I ne'er
Heard thee foretell of something fair.
Inclined to speak the foul, though skilled,
Thy prophecies are unfulfilled.
And now to Greeks thou wilt impart
For this, Fardarter dealt his dart;
Since I would o'er the gifts and gold
Rather the beauteous daughter hold,
Whom I prefered, upon my life,
To Clytemnestra, my own wife.
For she in nothing proves the less
In beauty, mind or skillfulness.
E'en so, I will give back the maid,
If better for our common aid.
For I would rather Greeks be hale
Than see them fall and fate prevail.
But place anon another prize
To compensate my sacrafice,
That I should not be left as lord
The only Greek without reward.
That would be wrong when all ye see
My prize is bound away from me."

Divine Achilles, swift of foot,
Thus to the chief his answer put:
"Most glorious Atreus' son, indeed,
Most glorious and most full of greed!
How shall the greatheart Grecian crew
Provide for thee a prize anew?
We know not of a gathered hoard
Where yet a common wealth is stored,
But all we took from plundered lands
Is dealt among the Grecian bands.
And wrong would be and too unfair
To take back their alotted share.
But to the god and his decree
Send forth the maid and let her free.
And three and fourfold, Greeks indeed,
In recompense shall make thy meed
If Zeus e'er grant for us the joy
To sack the wellwalled town of Troy."


[This message has been edited by Essorant (05-09-2007 01:43 AM).]

rhia_5779
Senior Member
since 2006-06-09
Posts 1334
California
6 posted 2007-05-08 03:54 PM


[ ]= the phrases that with the inverted read a little off or made me stumble when I read it.
*= the parts I just really liked, there are too many , so I just mentioned a couple of them. I like the use of language in particular and the reference to dreams and gods.

( )=delete
Phoebus Apollo heard his prayer
And hastened down Olympus fair.
The silver bow his shoulders graced
His quiver with (its) ends encased,
His arrows rattling with his wrath,

[As like the night he made his path.]


*Nine days the fatal arrows flew
Stinging the army through and through;
Till on the tenth, Achilles strong,
To council called the Grecian throng,*
Just really liked that part, my favorite bit in the entire thing, it went together really well and the rythmn worked

[By whitearmed Hera thus inclined]

Achilles, swift of foot,[ upspoke:]
"O Atreus' son, I think and say

[Some prophet or some priest the task,]

*Or dreamteller, indeed, to tell,*

*All things that were, in insight bore,
That yet to be and that before;*

[That, with his gift from Phoebus, led]

[Phoebus' wrath, causes unconceal?]

Essorant
Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769
Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada
7 posted 2007-05-11 02:00 PM


Thanks for letting me know, Rhia.

Most of those lines I felt better and worse about as well.  

"Causes unconceal" seemed so crafty at the time, but now it seems so clumsy.  

My words and I will discuss these matters, and see if we can come to a compromise for the better




Essorant
Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769
Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada
8 posted 2007-06-01 01:09 AM


   Cont'd from: /pip/Forum28/HTML/001908.html#5


Lord Agamemnon, e'er with pride,
Then to Achilles thus replied:
"Dare not this way, though brave thou art,
To steal in mind and bend my heart.
For thou mayst not surpass my will
Nor thus persuade me with thy skill.
Intendest thou with prize to stand
While I should sit with empty hand
Bidden to send my prize away,
That mine should go, but thine should stay?
But let the Grecian greathearts bring
A recompense fit for a king,
Or I shall thine or Ajax' meed
Or else Odysseus' seize if need;
And whom I come upon in path,
Doubt not, shall rage with bitter wrath.
But, set aside, for now, this care.
Anon, a swarty ship prepare,
To draw on heav'nly sea with speed,
With rowers full as we may need.
A hecatomb therein conveyed,
Then let ascend the faircheek maid.
Let someone welladvised command,
Ajax, Idomeneus, o'erstand,
Divine Odysseus, thither draw,
Or thou Achilles, most of awe,
That having holy rites welldone,
Thou mayst appease Fardarting One."


rhia_5779
Senior Member
since 2006-06-09
Posts 1334
California
9 posted 2007-06-06 04:36 PM


A recompense fit for a king,
* I think you should change it to fit for kings because the a takes away the sway and the feeling also kings implies more than one king which fits the poem better because there is Priam and all the different kings of greece.


Or else Odysseus' seize if need;
*This line still inverted is off, odd one out the rest is pretty good and the revision is quite nice, just this line kinda felt weird reading it.

Post A Reply Post New Topic ⇧ top of page ⇧ Go to Previous / Newer Topic Back to Topic List Go to Next / Older Topic
All times are ET (US). All dates are in Year-Month-Day format.
navwin » Archives » Critical Analysis #2 » Phoebus' Wrath

Passions in Poetry | pipTalk Home Page | Main Poetry Forums | 100 Best Poems

How to Join | Member's Area / Help | Private Library | Search | Contact Us | Login
Discussion | Tech Talk | Archives | Sanctuary