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For Brad: What Makes Poetry, Poetry? |
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Local Parasite![]()
since 2001-11-05
Posts 2527Transylconia, Winnipeg ![]() |
I think this is a good idea. Just to generate some discussion, I've pulled out a few of my favourite remarks by poets on the topic of poetry. First, Philip Sidney's famous tract "An Apology for Poetry" distinguishes poetry thus: quote:Samuel Taylor Coleridge, in his Biographia Literaria, writes: quote:Wordsworth's statement of intent for his Lyrical Ballads: quote:From Shelley's Defence of Poetry: quote:From Ruskin (of whom I could probably find much better quotes on the topic, if I had an indexed copy of his works) in his Modern Painters volume III: quote:Ruskin, of course, goes on, but I doubt anybody's going to actually read it if I type the whole of it out. He mainly emphasizes the importance of the imagination in the formation of poetry. I'd quote some Aristotle, but that would be a bit heavy, and these authors are closer to our time and speaking more of the kind of poetry with which we are concerned today (Aristotle focuses on dramatic and epic poetry, writers of which I don't think we have at piptalk). Hopefully this will give us some good material with which to start a discussion? Is poetry, like Sidney suggests, the highest of the arts because it invents, rather than subjecting itself to nature? Is its duty the veneration of human emotion, as Ruskin suggests, or is it meant to draw attention to specific subjects and "ameliorate" the affections of those that read it? Is it obliged less to morality, to "nobility," and more simply to pleasure, as Coleridge says? I look forward to what all of you have to say. Brian |
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Aenimal Member Rara Avis
since 2002-11-18
Posts 7350the ass-end of space |
quote: ~ Rimbaud |
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timothysangel1973![]()
since 2001-12-03
Posts 1725Never close enough |
Great question Brian One that I am sure will generate a lot of conversation, as everyone has their own opinions on the matter. As for me personally, well I will have to give it some thought. Because, for me, it's not about perfect form, or rhyme. It's more personal for me that the technical side of writing. I only spill myself onto paper if I really feel moved, or passionate about something. As far as what others think... two of my favorite quotes are: quote: and quote: I may hate myself in the morning - but I'm gonna love you tonight |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
I emphasized before by art, that I believe art is creative success of tradition, and must be civilized as well; it is a tradition's success and "civilization" I believe what makes Poetry distinctly art, is its own tradition, success and "civilization" The only way one may practice Poetry with skill, is if s/he follows, in one way or another, convention within these, and corresponds in one way or another with an inherited and familiar "character" that comes from the past. The past poets are as kings, and present as princes, inheriting Poetry's "character". Many ages of men have established the best ways on this art, that no man may do in one age, but all may have fruitfulness and bring forth fruitfuflness that learn how to keep what they inherit, and truly add to it too. Without following Tradition, it is only distant hues in mind of those familiar characters of the past, and some inevitable grace at hard work, that the art is continued. For example, think of a poem without rhyme, and without meter. Is a person more familiar with it as "poetry" than a poem with rhyme and meter? Despite the extent of Free Verse today, I don't believe so. When someone hears "poetry" they most often think of words with that special quality: rhyme. And if you ask a person to write a poem on the spot, I think he'll most likely strive to write something with rhyme as well. This a simplest traditional aspect, but has a strongest impression on our mind. People are not as certain about poetry when it doesn't have such a tradition attribute. Meter, certain words and ways with words, meanings and other things though all strongly count as well to keep a familiarity about Poetry. Although it is doubtful that any are as crowning and famous as rhyme. [This message has been edited by Essorant (05-29-2005 03:19 PM).] |
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Local Parasite![]()
since 2001-11-05
Posts 2527Transylconia, Winnipeg |
Essorant, Have you ever read "The Anxiety of Influence" by Harold Bloom? |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
Hi Brian. No I never read that book. Is it recommendable? |
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Local Parasite![]()
since 2001-11-05
Posts 2527Transylconia, Winnipeg |
Yup. Based on what you're saying about poetry being participation in a tradition, anyways... Bloom develops a theory of poetry based on the idea that generations of poets "misinterpret" their predecessors in trying to write "canonical" work. Give it a go, it's not a long or difficult book. |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
I don't know. I fear overcomplicating the subject. A tree needs to stand on roots. So does Poetry. What more? |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
Brad didn't even show up ![]() |
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Local Parasite![]()
since 2001-11-05
Posts 2527Transylconia, Winnipeg |
Yeah, he's a real enigma, but he's just like that sometimes---kind of an unreliable guy when it comes down to it. To be quite honest, the poor moderation is one of the reasons I don't spend a lot of time in the philosophy forum. I mean, why address a concern to which the moderator specifically gives voice if he's just going to give you the cold shoulder in return for it? Really, you'd think he would read his own forum enough to spot his name in a subject line, and at least acknowledge it somehow... "God becomes as we are that we may be as he is." ~William Blake |
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Stephanos![]()
since 2000-07-31
Posts 3618Statesboro, GA, USA |
Hey guys, Go easy on Brad. I really think there's a certain kind of philosophy thread that gets his motor running, and he's not been seeing it. He's very intelligent and respectful in the way he relates to everyone. He'll be back. Stephen. |
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Local Parasite![]()
since 2001-11-05
Posts 2527Transylconia, Winnipeg |
Stephen, I'll quote Brad here: quote:This is where I took the idea for this thread. I don't mean to blow off steam, but it's kind of irritating. "God becomes as we are that we may be as he is." ~William Blake |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
I'm not irritated. Just a bit disappointed. |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
Points taken. Yet, I think it's a more interesting thread without my input. Apparently, I can intimidate people and it makes more sense to remain silent than it does to state my opinion on poetry 'yet once more'. ![]() If you want to know my opinion, it's around here somewhere. |
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