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Local Rebel
Member Ascendant

since 1999-12-21

Posts 5767
Southern Abstentia

0 posted 2004-07-04 11:42 PM

I've heard a lot of complaining about Bush bashing but take a look at these two links and tell me which campaign is going negative.
http://www.georgewbush.com/
http://www.johnkerry.com/front/22/index.html

If you just want the straight dope without bias here are the sites to get it without any hyperbole.

http://factcheck.org/default.aspx
This site looks at political advertisements from both sides of the campaign and rates their veracity.
What a surprise.  Both sides lie, exagerate, and don't tell the whole truth.

http://www.vote-smart.org/
This site has raw information on any candidate running in any campaign.   You can get voting records, pac ratings, where they stand on the issues... except -- for G.W. and John K.   They won't say where they stand on the issues.

http://www.opensecrets.org/
And at this site you can see exactly who is in who's back pocket.

Juju
Member Elite

since 2003-12-29

Posts 3429
In your dreams

1 posted 2004-07-05 06:27 PM

Or you can go to the gov. home page and look up voting on bills too.

You know sometimes those sites don't tell the whole truth either.....

I perfer voting records personally. Star tribune and other news papers give alright records.

I don't trust propaganda scemes and party homepages. I only check out the platform there and compare past news papers and voting records.
Then I go with the guy that goes more accurately with my own belifs.

it actually doesn't matter, I am extreeemly conservative. Its alot of work for nothing, but at least I know 3what the guy I am voting for stands for.

Juju

Aenimal
Member Rara Avis

since 2002-11-18

Posts 7350
the ass-end of space

2 posted 2004-07-05 09:23 PM

Thanks for links Rebel, interesting reads

Local Rebel
Member Ascendant

since 1999-12-21

Posts 5767
Southern Abstentia

3 posted 2004-07-25 03:45 PM

Unfortunately Raph, facts are obviously too boring for an election year.

Aenimal
Member Rara Avis

since 2002-11-18

Posts 7350
the ass-end of space

4 posted 2004-07-25 04:27 PM

grins

Kaoru

Member Elite

since 2003-06-07

Posts 3892
where the wild flowers grow

5 posted 2004-07-30 06:33 PM

Thanks for the links, too, Reb..

Toerag
Member Ascendant

since 1999-07-29

Posts 5622
Ala bam a

6 posted 2004-08-02 08:07 AM

Reb..every election time...no matter the candidates...it all gets so boring and nobody knows the truth anymore....

Local Rebel
Member Ascendant

since 1999-12-21

Posts 5767
Southern Abstentia

7 posted 2004-08-02 06:55 PM

Which is why we should amend the Constitution so that elections are held at random moments notice like musical chairs...!!

That would keep them hopping.

iliana
Member Patricius

since 2003-12-05

Posts 13434
USA

8 posted 2004-08-04 12:32 PM

Reb -- I think the opensecrets link told the whole story. I'm always hearing with detective stories, to get to the real criminal, follow the money trail. Well, that's exactly what I think about political races, and that link sure told me everyting I was certain of anyway from my own research. Thanks a bunch for all the information.

Oh, and one of the articles I scanned on one of the other links mentioned that Kerry was wrong in saying new salaries were $9000 less. Now, I'm going to go back and read that in depth....but my initial impression was they left out the "benefits" factor in their review. I know that benefits are being slashed right and left, even with some of the bigger companies -- and I always believed that was part of the overall package. Thanks again.

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