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Bob K
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0 posted 2008-01-24 11:33 AM




                                                                              
Limes


You have come to a diplomatic  accommodation
With the night beyond the back porch.
Each of you will keep your eyes closed
And pretend the other is only an illusion.

The garden is awash with a rising scent
Of azaleas, blue as the scent of ice on evergreens
In a sudden warming spell in February,
Except, you know, more floral.  The darkness

Of closed eyes is hollow as bags.  Everything alters
In the evenings all-out assault of crickets.
Let’s erase all that and go back to basics.
You amble into the back yard on a spring evening

Requiring only a tee shirt for comfort,
With no noticeable discomfort from the humidity.
You’re carrying a six pack of Sam Adams
And an ancient army surplus blanket

Of indeterminate color.  Laying on your back
In the grass, you can feel the turntable of the world
Slowly turn under you, or the stars revolve slowly
Overhead, the night sky perpetuating that revolution

More inexorable than history.  You are gripped  
With a kind of skimming motion by something
Enormous with wings, by something that struggles
To become concrete and powerful, like an idea.

You will remember this vaguely like a memory
Of alien abduction while you’re driving home
From the market in a heavy snowstorm sometime
In early December.  You will cast about for a language

To express the complete relaxation you feel
As you sink into that memory of luxury.
You close your eyes; and, remembering your bargain
With darkness, flick off  lights and windshield wipers.

You sit completely still, absent as a forgotten sensation;
Grasping nothing, you levitate far above yourself,
An exhausted sensorium filled past overflowing
With an authoritative pungency like West Indian limes.



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TomMark
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1 posted 2008-01-24 02:08 PM


Dear Bob K, This is a wonderful poem. I love it. and I am expecting you to post more.  
Just good.
Tom

post more!!!!

jbouder
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2 posted 2008-01-24 05:33 PM


Bob:

I’m determined to come back to this one when I have more time.  For now, I’ll give you all the time I’ve got.  

The poem reads to me as a wrestling match with one’s creative process.  I might be completely off in this initial reading, but my sense is that the speaker is always on the cusp of a clear image, and trying hard to bring it into clearer focus.  This is roughly how I saw the progression:

Night beyond the back porch --> Garden with blue azaleas --> Crickets --> [ERASE ERASE ERASE] --> Beer and an army blanket --> Night sky and stars --> Something great flying at the fringes of perception --> Lost it --> Almost remembered it --> Nope, lost it again.

This poem does so much, and one of the things it does so well for me is illustrate the struggle to bring a solution to a problem into focus (and I think, in this case, the problem is artistic - or more specifically, poetic - in nature).  Looking, sometimes in vain, for that object on which to focus that serves as our creative kick off.  For me, it worked nicely.  For others, I’m not sure.  Some might complain that this is a poem about nothing, rather than see it as I do as a poem about that elusive something.  Reminds me a bit of the Gerda Mayer poem, “Shallow poem” (unsure whether it is subject to copyright and I couldn’t find a copy online … sorry about that).  Not so much in substance as in the focus on the fragility of a creative idea.

All this assumes I didn’t completely blow the read.     I’ll try to offer some more specific observations tomorrow.  I need some more time to digest the parts.

Jim

Bob K
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3 posted 2008-01-24 06:26 PM


Thank you, Jim, I appreciate the reading.  It's kind of you to take the time and I look forward to other thoughts you're thinking of sharing.    With appreciation, BobK.
jbouder
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4 posted 2008-01-25 02:10 PM


Bob:

quote:
You have come to a diplomatic accommodation
With the night beyond the back porch.
Each of you will keep your eyes closed
And pretend the other is only an illusion.


S1 remains a mystery to me.  It is difficult for me to grasp the purpose of the personification here, mainly because I can’t figure out why a personified “night beyond the back porch” would feel threatened by the speaker.  I suppose it is possible that, like S2 and following, S1 is describing mental efforts to give creativity a helping hand, but I am leaning toward doubting that interpretation.  Perhaps I’m being too literal and “beyond the back porch” represents the fear of the unknown ... the fear of taking risks.  The world “outside one’s comfort zone” … something to that effect.  Not sure if there is a way to make this clearer, or if you want to force the reader to puzzle the meaning out of it, making the reading process mimic, in some respects, the writing process I believe is described in the poem.  But then later, you note:

quote:
You close your eyes; and, remembering your bargain / With darkness


I’d be lying if I said that I don’t want to know more about this bargain and I also be lying if I said it didn’t bother me that I don’t understand the implications of a breach of this bargain.  But I think that pretty much sums up all that bothers me about the poem.

Later, I still believe the poem describes the several “false-positives” the speaker has discovered along the poorly marked road of poetic inspiration.  With S2, we see the beginning of an attractive image in "The garden is awash with a rising scent / Of azaleas, blue as the scent of ice on evergreens" followed by a stutter-step in "In a sudden warming spell in February" and the “back to the drawing board” statement, “Except, you know, more floral.”.  This seems to be followed by an immediate jump into the next attempt to find a starting point.

As I mentioned before, the poem first seems to be all over the place, but it soon becomes apparent the many seemingly unrelated “ideas” share something in common with the others.  The elusive inspiration appears to come within reach again during the “car in the snowstorm” scene.  I suppose what follows is what I am least certain about, but my guess would be that this line …

quote:
With an authoritative pungency of West Indian limes


… is the “will-o’-the-wisp” line that has been tormenting the speaker all this time.  A phrase that assaults the senses, moreso than bright blue azaleas or the incessant chirping of hordes of crickets.  A sensation most readers are familiar with, but not one that is so commonplace as to exit memory seconds after it enters the senses.  A line that might be brought back to the reader on the next Cinco de Mayo when the waitress/waitor serves the bottle of Corona.  In the case of this poem and this reader, it probably will be.

From time to time when I was wrestling with writer’s block, I tried to write about not being able to find the right words to a poem, and discovered how difficult that is.  An admirable effort.  The only thing I would recommend for your borderline OCD readers is some clarification of this deal with darkness.

Jim

Bob K
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5 posted 2008-01-25 04:42 PM


Dear Jbouder,

          I thought you had some useful insights.  I tried to make some use of them in this revision, which isn't right yet but which at least gets the troublesome beginning out of the way.  It seemed to contribute little but confusion.

Limes


You amble into the back yard on a spring evening
That requires only a Tee shirt for comfort;
There’s no noticeable discomfort from humidity.
You’re carrying a six pack of Sam Adams
Black Lager and an ancient
Army surplus blanket of indeterminate color.  

Laying on your back in the grass, you can feel
The turntable of the world slowly turn
Under you, or the stars wheel slowly overhead,
As the night sky perpetuates a revolution
More inexorable than history.  You are gripped
From above in a kind of skimming motion

By something enormous with wings, by something
That struggles to become concrete and powerful
As weather.  Returning from grocery shopping
In late December, in the middle of a snow squall
These are the images that will return to you
Troublingly as vague memories of alien abduction,

The garden awash with a rising scent
Of azaleas, blue as the scent of ice on evergreens.

As you allow yourself
To sink into that voluptuous memory,
You must close your eyes as an expression
Of utter trust and utter silken relaxation.
There will be a language to express the hissing of the            
            tires.
There was some bargain with the darkness,

Which a flicking off of the wipers and headlights
May help you recall.  You sit completely still,
Absent as a forgotten sensation.  Grasping
Nothing, you levitate far above yourself,
An exhausted sensorium filled past overflowing  
With a pungency like West Indian limes.


     Anybodys' thoughts are appreciated.  Also on 14 lines if it's worth commenting on.  Yours, BobK.
                                                                                

chopsticks
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6 posted 2008-01-25 06:12 PM


Bob, I like your first version best. When I read it the first time, I ask myself what just happen. Well I’ll tell you what happen, I just circumnavigated a whole year with that poem. We started off with azaleas in February and had an alien abduction in December and had a beer along the way.

I think it was a delightful poem.


Btw, you did stretch  it a tad  with those azaleas in February , but they are a hardy mountain flower.

Bob, in the fifth stanza when the poet was gazing at the stars, did he  wonder like Huckleberry Finn did :

“ Was them stars put there are did they just happen ? “


[This message has been edited by chopsticks (01-26-2008 08:09 AM).]

TomMark
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7 posted 2008-01-26 12:54 PM


I agree with Chops, the first version is better.

Limes

You have come to a diplomatic  accommodation
With the night beyond the back porch.
Each of you will keep your eyes closed
And pretend the other is only an illusion.


Diplomatic---representative of only itself.
Night beyond the back porch---strong, broad back ground make them more "noble"
And pretend the other is only an illusion. Love this verse...the proud character.

The garden is awash with a rising scent
Of azaleas, blue as the scent of ice on evergreens
In a sudden warming spell in February,
Except, you know, more floral.
The darkness

The scent. can you replace The second "scent" with "shine" or "light"?  

Of closed eyes is hollow as bags.  Everything alters
In the evenings all-out assault of crickets.
Let’s erase all that and go back to basics.
You amble into the back yard on a spring evening


Who is "you"? I read as same as the first "You"
Judging the character and let start again. Why?

Requiring only a tee shirt for comfort,
With no noticeable discomfort from the humidity.
You’re carrying a six pack of Sam Adams
And an ancient army surplus blanket


Character is  back to ordinary.

Of indeterminate color.  Laying on your back
In the grass, you can feel the turntable of the world
Slowly turn under you, or the stars revolve slowly
Overhead, the night sky perpetuating that revolution


? "you" feel, but can one feel stars?  

More inexorable than history.  You are gripped  
With a kind of skimming motion by something
Enormous with wings, by something that struggles
To become concrete and powerful, like an idea.


still, "you" feel. like this S

You will remember this vaguely like a memory
Of alien abduction while you’re driving home
From the market in a heavy snowstorm sometime
In early December.  You will cast about for a language


why bad or scary memory?

To express the complete relaxation you feel
As you sink into that memory of luxury.
You close your eyes; and, remembering your bargain
With darkness, flick off  lights and windshield wipers.


May you explain this to me?

You sit completely still, absent as a forgotten sensation;
Grasping nothing, you levitate far above yourself,
An exhausted sensorium filled past overflowing
With an authoritative pungency like West Indian limes.


Still a proud Being

Dear Bob K, you may want to tell  us about this poem  line by line.

Bob K
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8 posted 2008-01-26 06:37 PM


Dear TomMark,

           Everybody has their own reading of a poem.  It needs to make sense to you and create a feeling response in you.  I'm still in negotiations with the thing and, frankly, I'm losing.  This may be the way it should be.  I already have another version finished beyond the one above, and I'm working on that, so everything folks say is useful.  When I get that one ready for show, I'll print it out here and let folks comment on that in maybe a day or two.  The game is afoot!

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