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gourdmad
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0 posted 2004-03-06 05:49 PM



Me Real The

?real more what’s
image mirror my
image self my ah, or,

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Grover
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1 posted 2004-03-06 06:22 PM


Clever... backwards, but clever! Grover.
Severn
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2 posted 2004-03-06 11:04 PM


Over-obvious methinks....

K

hush
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3 posted 2004-03-07 09:52 AM


You end (start) with 'or'... where's the rest of the thought? Something led up to this epiphany.

BTW- I agree w/ Severn.

gourdmad
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4 posted 2004-03-08 10:46 AM


If its obvious, why would you have to ask?
:-)

Then again , there is always that balance between what is obvious to the sharply honed critically trained mind, and what is obvious to a reader who comes across the poem while reading a long string of poems in another more casual setting.

I thought by not titling the poem "Maya" i was in danger of of making it too unobvious, but perhaps not.

Not A Poet
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5 posted 2004-03-08 11:24 AM


I see no purpose in writing backwards. If it was meant to challenge then it did not. If it was meant to be cute then it was not. I think you make a stronger statement without such artifacts.

All JMHO, of course.

Pete

Never express yourself more clearly than you can think - Niels Bohr

hush
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6 posted 2004-03-08 12:44 PM


I guess I meant that it was obvious that it was supposed to be clever.

Maybe if it made coherent sense somehow reading it forward as well? Not so sure that that's possible, but it would make it a less frustrating read.

j0n4th4n
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7 posted 2004-03-08 05:05 PM


inovative!
grassy ninja
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8 posted 2004-03-09 08:22 AM


i don't particularly care for this poem.  without its backward-ness, it has nothing to make it interesting or thought-provoking to get the reader involved.  the mirror-image/self-image play here borders on cliche.  even if the backward-ness is symbolic (and i'm assuming that it is), i don't see enough original material here for an enjoyable poem that makes the reader think.  maybe you could write a longer poem, with the backwards part being the alluded to epiphany.  not sure if i'm any help at all here.  
gourdmad
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9 posted 2004-03-10 10:35 AM


Sorry if it seems I am dragging this out beyond any balance due such an insignificant piece. That so many respected persons bothered to comment, I am grateful.

I did get thrown because the comments weren't what I was expecting and that expectation may have been coloring my perception of what was being said. So I went back and reread them and these two seem to stick out as unanswered by myself.


"You end (start) with 'or'... where's the rest of the thought?"

To me, the "or" is in the middle, but emphasised like an end word. Mirrors reverse, but don't invert. What I was trying to say in this was that as the image in the mirror is an illusion of the physical body, likewise the physical body is an illusion of the true self. I really thought I had buried that too deep, but when the "obvious" comments came, I thought that was what they were referencing.

"Maybe if it made coherent sense somehow reading it forward as well?"

While I hoped it made some broken English sense reversed, I did have the sense it was coherent forward.

What’s more real?
my mirror image
or, ah, my self image

the hesitancy of the "ah" makes it seem incoherent? That was supposed to be the hint that that self image is no surety either, implying the Soul. It is also how I got the concept of maya (my ah) introduced directly, which truthfully I thought might be too subtle for Western readers.

I also had the idea of presenting it this way:

Me Real The                     The Real Me

?real more what’s          what’s more real?
image mirror my              my mirror image
image self my ah, or,    or, ah my self image

but I was afraid a casual reader would just skip reading the left side and not read "maya" which was the key to unlocking it at least in my plan. The other alternative was to put the right side in under neath as a second stanza. But in the past I have been told I wasn't subtle enough so just dropped it all together. Oh well, man proposes, God disposes.

Brad
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10 posted 2004-03-12 03:48 PM


I don't know, I wouldn't worry so much about whether someone 'gets it' or not. We can talk about it later. The problem, I think, is that the trick you've presented isn't really what a mirror does anyway.

yawyna seob rorrim

-- and even that doesn't do it right either.

Cpat Hair
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11 posted 2004-03-12 04:32 PM


I agree with Pete on this one...
I just fail to appreciate that writing backwords works as a poetic form.

seems more a parlor trick..

but just my opinion

a123
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12 posted 2004-03-27 07:13 AM


YOUR POEM REALLY MAKES ONE THINK AND HAS QUITE AN EFFECT. I THINK THE FACT THT ITS SHORT IS WHAT MAKES IT IMPACTFUL.I SUGGEST YOU DONT WRITE IT BACKWORDS THOUGH.
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