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Munda Member Elite
since 1999-10-08
Posts 3544The Hague, The Netherlands |
It's this meter that gets me upset, But then Anna said: "Have no regret, I am Anna the Pest, But I'll not get you stressed, Just a gal you won't easy forget." And then Justin had to interfere!  It was Anna’s idea to compete To run naked through London’s main street When I took off my gear She burst out in a cheer: “Oh my gosh you have very big feet!” Justin G. Oh yeah, 'twas me! [This message has been edited by Munda (05-08-2008 04:34 PM).] |
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Dr.Moose1 Member Elite
since 1999-09-05
Posts 3448Bewilderment , USA |
Munda, Those Justins are the real pests, but there's nothing wrong with your meter here, or your feet for that matter. Doc |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
You're a wiz, Munda! You give me a whole new appreciation for dutch ovens!  It was Anna’s idea to compete This is the only line I have a problem with. I' m not sure if you are counting "idea" as a two-syllable word or three. If it's two then we have.. it was AN-na's i-DEA to com-PETE which is good, but if it's three, then it's.. it was AN-na's i-DE-a to com-PETE which would be wrong. There is nothing wrong with discounting a syllable if it is said very fast in an almost invisible way. Poe was great at that and said that it's not how many syllables you have but how many you pronounce that count. Based on the assumption that you knew all that, then I declare this poem....  |
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Justin Kace Member
since 1999-09-13
Posts 82Oz |
Justin Kace you were looking for me Thought I'd stop to say HEY how ya be Best you put on your clothes mighty quick Or the Bobbies might break out their sticks I doubt London is ready for us They're out looking for Justin Genius! |
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Munda Member Elite
since 1999-10-08
Posts 3544The Hague, The Netherlands |
Thanks Doc. It's always wonderful to find your hoofmark. Balladeer, ofcourse I had no i-DEA i-DEA could be anything else but a two-syllable word. I totally depend on Justin for these things. Kinda scary uh? And now he's even woken up one the other Justins.  |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Munda, my girl, actually IDEA is always a three syllable word, unless it becomes something you have to show at the bar to get a beer or unless you are living in a trailer, growing your own tomatoes in empty Jim Beam bottles. Poetically it's acceptable to use it as a two-syllable word since the -a is said with a lick and a prayer and not carried out  |
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chopsticks Senior Member
since 2007-10-02
Posts 888The US, |
Balladeer, I have seen " Idea " Listed as(i-de-a and i-de) what is your take on that ? |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
I've seen it, too. I think it was in a book called, "You Know You're a Redneck When...." Seriously, if you pronounce the word without pronouncing the "a" at all, then it's a two-syllable word but, if you have two vowel sounds that are both pronounced, they will be in different syllables. As I said, poetic licence will allow you to treat it as a two syllable word along with a word like "field".....right, Nan? |
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Justin Tolerable Junior Member
since 2000-02-19
Posts 13 |
Yup Yup...We love to run around naked in any city, mostly just the "Stute" though. |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
quote: Not always, Balladeer. Two vowel sounds may participate in one and the same syllable. When they do they are called a diphthong (Greek di "two" + phthongos "sound"). For example, the sound that is unphonetically represented by i in the first syllable of idea is actually a diphthong "ai". The a-sound of father and the i-sound of machine in the same syllable. The ea of idea though doesn't work in that way since the e distinctly represents an i-sound that takes the main stress, and the a an unstressed a or "schwa"-sound. |
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chopsticks Senior Member
since 2007-10-02
Posts 888The US, |
Ballandeer, if you were a redneck for one Saturday night you would never want to be an intellectual again . Seriously I was thinking about this ( Munda, my girl, actually IDEA is always a three syllable word) |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
Ballender? |
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chopsticks Senior Member
since 2007-10-02
Posts 888The US, |
Thank you Essorant. My secretary can’t read my writing. |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Essorant, that's true if you want to revert to the International Phonetic Library (but who wants to? )My comment was that, if you have two vowel sounds that are both pronounced, it is a two-syllable word. According to the dictionary.. Sound composed of two vowel elements joined to form one sound I'm not referring to forming one sound. I am referring to two different sounds. If we revert to the IPL, then most words would contain dipthongs, from yes to same, however, in practical usage, they are not (even if they are) |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
chopsticks, my friend, I grew up in a farming town of 110 people. I got bowl over the head haircuts until I was 10. I am more than qualified to know about rednecks....and, by the way, I respect them tremendously |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
Balladeer Yes, referring to phonetic sounds is important, because the letter i in idea doesn't represent just one sound, nor just an i sound. But represents two vowel-sounds in the space of one syllable: the a of father and the i of machine. I don't have a problem saying two sounds may also be one sound. But you still need to acknowledge that the one sound has two sounds. That is why it is diphthong. |
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Justin Genius Member
since 2001-04-02
Posts 85 |
Who ever said I was perfect? Hm, it could have been me... but... but... sue me for confusing you folks. Yes, I meant to say I-DEA and not I-DE-A and, since I am a Justin and a Genius, I get away with it.  Geesh, you guys are worse than Justin Tolerable! Wanna join me in the "Stute? Mwahahaha... |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Yes, Essorant, I acknowledge that. The one sound has two sounds that come out as one sound. When both of those sounds are individually pronounced and separated, my comment stands. Before I moved to Delaware, I was sure that "yes" was a two syllable word "ya-es". Go figure |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
No problem with that. But what you said earlier was: "if you have two vowel sounds that are both pronounced, they will be in different syllables." I was simply pointing out that a dipthong is the exception because there are two pronounced sounds in the sound of a diphthong, and that is one syllable, not two different syllables. |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
and all this time I thought that a dipthong was a new French bikini! Thanks for the clarification, Essorant  |
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chopsticks Senior Member
since 2007-10-02
Posts 888The US, |
“Thanks for the clarification, Essorant “ Yes indeed, thank you. Sometime we don’t know that we don’t know and we are trying to know what we don’t know ,but sometime we don’t even know that . |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
I don't know about that! |
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