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since 1999-12-04
Posts 202

0 posted 2000-05-31 10:39 PM

Well, after debating long and hard on whether or not to post this poem, I decided, even though I'm bound to catch a lot of flak, that I would.  I'm already expecting a lot of hate mail in my mailbox, but I say it now, and will repeat it later, this is NOT necessarily my stance on religion. It is simply a poem (albeit a rather bitter one) that flowed out the other day.  So, being the rather mature group of people that we are, we can all realize it's simply a poem and NOT a statement of my religious views nor meant to criticize anyone else's. It is JUST A POEM.  Now, time to hold my breath and hope that I don't get banned from this forum!

                     Questions For god

Oh father, how powerful art you in heaven now?
In this hour, when your subjects refuse to bow?
Can it be, the almighty, isn't all that grand?
Can it be, the creator, is in truth rather bland?
Gospel and angels and all things heavenly holy,
Ramblings of lunatics and dreamers solely.
Should it be, that we faithless so blindly follow?
Should it be, with proof so completely hollow?
Indeed, I believe, an end shall soon be for your reign,
Your preachings, hypocrisy and mockery we disdain.
Your altar baptized in our wrathful flood of tears
As you divinely provide false hope for real fears
Perchance, most likely, you're just a holy hoax,
Purely the imagination of control famished popes.
Would it be, oh master, unfair for us to judge?
Would it be, like our heaven that us you begrudge?
More likely, your Fraudulence sits above,
Observes our misery and enjoys our love.
No more shall your sheep around you flock
Your shepherd's image murdered, a laughingstock.
And all the while you, your highness, does prance about,
Love, peace and brotherhood you proudly tout.
An angelically holy excuse for war and hate,
Lucrative when souls are sold for a higher rate.
Could it be, oh lord, you're simply an apparition?
Could it be, you're not responsible for our condition?
Who shall we turn to now and thank at dinner?
Who shall be there to help the poor sinner?
Aye, I believe, there's nothing heavenly but the sky,
No Gabriel, pious Christians or lord on high.
Just a world full of believing, trusting little fools
Eager to please and follow all the Bible's rules
Support groups of religion for weak-minded hordes,
Makeshift superiority to reap their god's rewards.
Only those few immune to commercialized creed,
Who, for illusioned faith, they refuse to bleed
The truth these pagans indeed do witness and insist,
You, dear god, have never, will never, exist.

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Lucius Cade
since 2000-03-23
Posts 235
1 posted 2000-06-01 12:49 PM

This is the most perfect poem I have ever seen dealing with religion. I absolutly loved it and I am glad I read it. I wrote one myself similarily questioning god.
I will post it beneath.

I cry out in vain...

I question your God, my heart, and my soul
Existence needs proof, in stories I'm told
But I sit here and cry, lacking gratification
While others have died, soley for their religion

So why do I cry? If I do not beleive
What makes me doubt... I can not conceive
Is it power above? Or in my own heart
where these feelings are born, I know not where to start

Is God just a form of societal ethic?
Or is God a true being, to be viewed as angelic
It is nature to question, but with no answers received
I am still hanging, what can I acheive?

In need of assistance, I cry out in vain
I am a lost child, my doubts will retain
But I fear for my death, for what will remain

please help...for I fear I am already slain.

 Lucidity is the answer to all problems

since 1999-12-04
Posts 202

2 posted 2000-06-01 09:27 PM

Thanks for replying, Lucius! I really enjoyed your own raises many of the questions I often pose to others, as well as ponder myself! Thanks again!

since 2000-01-31
Posts 228

3 posted 2000-06-02 10:00 AM

First off, not even dealing with the subject, I wanted to say that you are very talented. I was really impressed by the way your poem flowed. As for the subject, even though I am a Christian I have had the same thoughts as those posted in the poem. While I can not say that I agree with EVERYTHING this poem said (who does?) I agreed with parts of it. Thanks for posting this even though you were unsure of the response. Good poem. Keep writing!!!


 "The worst of what people do to one another is deceive.
Because when you love someone you control their version
of reality. If you lie to them that's like making them
autistic so that what they believe is reality is in fact,
not their true situation at all."

It's not the angry words that break the heart, it's the silence.

Someone said that true love is like a ghost -- often spoke of but never seen.
I've seen both and yet in my darkest hours, tend to believe that neither exits.

since 2000-05-28
Posts 152
4 posted 2000-06-02 03:41 PM

That was what I was thinking a couple of years ago, when I started to *think*. That was a very well put poem Vreni, thank you for sharing it... I thought it was GREAT and full of insight(but not put in an offensive way) of a person questioning what they've been thought to believe since they were little.

Junior Member
since 2000-05-26
Posts 16
5 posted 2000-06-02 06:00 PM

wow! very well written. i think many people have felt the way you expressed yourself and not many have had the guts to say anything.  

 A broken bone can heal, but the wound a word opens can fester forever.
~Jessamyn West

since 1999-12-04
Posts 202

6 posted 2000-06-02 08:30 PM

Crystal, Lani, and jen - Thanks for your positive comments / compliments! I was really worried that this poem would most definitely alienate me from the rest of the forum! Glad you enjoyed! Thanks again!

since 2000-01-27
Posts 271

7 posted 2000-06-03 11:18 PM

well, as far as the way this poem was written it was good.  As far as the content i wonder.  There is no hypocrisy in God, but in man, there is nothing wrong with God but man,  
The last line i seriously didn't care for.  As someone put it to me in a question "If someone doesn't believe in God, does God believe in them?"  
I take it you do not believe there is a satan either.  

 There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line.
-- Oscar Levant

"Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live."

Senior Member
since 1999-08-18
Posts 1867
Boston, MA
8 posted 2000-06-04 01:04 AM


Nice to see you back here!

I share the same beliefs, (if those were in fact your beliefs).

I remember I once wrote something like this:

"All hallow's hollow, empty, shallow
Condemed to seek, but never see
You have been cursed to serve and follow
Can't buy your freedom - doom is free"

As for the poem, overall it was nice, but it had some rough spots, where rhyme seemed forced... Just my two cents!

Matchstick McGee
Junior Member
since 2000-05-15
Posts 26
Austin, Texas
9 posted 2000-06-04 12:14 PM

Don't worry... while my name might seem to suggest otherwise, I don't flame.
I do not agree with the views the poem expresses. This does NOT mean that I think the poem is bad, in fact it is a wonderfully well written (say that five times fast)expression of doubt that everyone has had at some point in their lives. And whether I agree with this poem, lemme put in that I'd leave Passions if they had censored this poem or banned you... but let me also say that I don't think they ever would.

     Remember Farenheit 451...


since 1999-12-04
Posts 202

10 posted 2000-06-04 12:45 PM

Hoppy, thanks for replying, though you did not agree with the poem's content!  As for Master....long time no see, old friend!  Thanks for the wb, how's your own writing coming?!! :.)  Indeed, some of the rhyming is rather forced, but I've always been a bit shaky with rhyming.  :.)  As for Matchstick, indeed, thanks for the encouragement, this has indeed heartened me, for I know I can now post controversial poetry in this forum without getting myself into a mucky situation.......(other internet forums are not so tolerant.... ;.) )  Thanks again to all three of you!

Senior Member
since 2000-05-31
Posts 932
11 posted 2000-06-04 07:58 PM

Well to start off ... I'm speechless! This has to be one of the most true poems I've ever read! Great Job! second, there is no need to worry about your opinions! They are/were yours no one said any one else had to believe or feel the same. I think it is wonderful that some one finally take the initiative to speak the truth about how we all feel! EVERYONE has at some point felt this way! Keep up the writing! Love Always ~*~Jessica Lynn~*~
since 2000-05-10
Posts 498
Somewhere, between here and there
12 posted 2000-06-04 09:24 PM

Clapping and praise for a gifted poet with a gifted insight.  I have never been and will never be a religious person, I have seen to much blood, too much pain and suffering to believe that a benevolent “God” holds sway over us pious mortals.   Pious to what extent?  I have known Christians that bleed and scream the same as a Mormons or Jewish people?  To what extent do we waste our own lives praying to the one who supposedly created us all?  Mass murders and horrible disease still run amuck, killing devout along with the convicted damned ones.  Ok, so I suppose “god” is perfect and we are flawed, that makes sense, him being a god and all.  But are we not made in his image?  So if we are flawed, isn’t it possible to conclude that God is himself flawed? And I have read the Bible and it contradicts itself many places, an example…God instructs his children to lead nonviolent lives, while Mosses practices an Eye-for-an-Eye system of revenge that is anything but nonviolent.  
Now this next part is purely my opinion, anyone who does not wish to entertain it by all means…DON’T READ IT!!!
God and Satan, Heaven and Hell, Day and Night.  Opposites to the last, but God existed before Satan, correct?  Many cultures have saying that translate into “There can be no light without darkness” or something to that effect.  So how could this God have not only been before but actually created Satan?  Then of course there is the infinite create-creator loop of argument.  Everything must have a creator, so who or what created the creator?  God cannot have just have “been” there, its impossible.  Granted, for obvious reasons, I am forced to view this from a wholly human (mortal) standpoint.  I believe in what is real, what I can see/touch/taste/hear, God I can detect using none of these methods and by my reasoning, doesn’t exist.  And why does God let bad things happen to good people while bad ones live long, undeserved lives, that’s not fair or right.  Many people would answer that be saying, “Oh, god is mysterious, but everything happens for a reason, his reason”.  Now just assuming God is male is preposterous, without female, there would be no male, so how is god male?  Plus gender is a purely earth-bound restraint, were not sure if any off plant species exhibit it. So, in my mind, God is no more real than my pen is alive. I will not defend my opinions, they are mine and the only thing that has not be taken from me.      

Ps, when are they gonna fix "wel" above the username box?

Spreading insanity, one post at a time

Senior Member
since 2000-05-31
Posts 932
13 posted 2000-06-05 07:03 PM

WOW! excellent point DeRanger!!! I completely agree! we go on living our lives, but to "god" (if there is such a thing) we mustlook like bunch of foolish chickens running around with their heads cut off. They say that "god is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh" This is true, But why must we laugh when "god" is the one playing and toying with us?!!? Our lives are what's being ruined and taken away from us every day why must we suffer? To entertain who? "GOD"?!?! I was brought up in the Christian religion but quicky detered from it when my mind started to wander and question the truth and how it was that something I/we couldn't see or feel. you're right, god does let bad things to happen to good people! and yet "he" feels no remorse. I congratulate you and P-girl for the wonderful out looks!! Love Always ~*~Jessica~*~
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