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Nan
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0 posted 2001-09-08 08:55 AM


You'd think from looking at the surface of haiku, tanka, and the rest, that Japanese poetry is relatively simplistic... Not so... nope. When we begin to delve into its evolution, it becomes quite complex and intriguing.

Renga is certainly one of the staples of Japanese poetry, dating back to the 12th century. It's much more intricate than haiku, in that it's linked and becomes a series of poetic sequences that's written by more than one author.

The standard practice is to utilize the pattern of the tanka - (i.e. three lines of 5/7/5 syllables, followed by two lines of 7/7). One writer pens the first three lines, and the other does the final two.

That all seems relatively simple, doesn't it? If you think so, you might consider perusing our last newsletter. Specifically, you can learn All About Haiku (and Tanka) here.

So - We've chosen our partners - Let's give it a whirl... Renga-itis it is...

But wait... There's more..

WAKAp... There's the Choka

The Japanese originally wrote their sequences in group gatherings and came up with sequences that were approximately 100 stanza's long. These wondrous works were typically non-serious in nature and did evolve about some sort of plot.

One poet would begin the diatribe with the first 5/7/5/7/7 stanza, followed by the next, and the next, etc... The stickler was that each stanza had to relate semantically to the one before it (and by definition, the one subsequent). The Japanese had a tendency to create these poetic masterpieces all in one sitting - We can't do that, because we aren't all sitting in one place - but we certainly can write a sequential piece.

We won't impose any rules other than that we have to relate to the stanza before us, and let's see what we come up with.

Let's sign in on this thread, and follow that order throughout. When we complete the list, we'll start over. This is much like our Community Poetry Forum from days gone by, isn't it?

So - Let's do our own Renga-itis with our partners on the side - and I'll start the Choka... Who's in?





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Nan
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1 posted 2001-09-08 11:44 AM


OK - We've got this order so far - Anyone else?

1. Nan
2. S Arthur Grey
3. Titia Geertman
4. Munda


[This message has been edited by Nan (edited 09-08-2001).]

Munda
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2 posted 2001-09-08 03:38 PM


I'm in Nan!   Now where did I put that 5-7-5-7-7 mode?  
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3 posted 2001-09-10 12:54 PM


I heard 'group-therapy' was good for the soul~  

Well, somebody's got to push the merry-go-round !

Me here !
~*Marge*~

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4 posted 2001-09-10 01:05 AM



Hey!  I was here first!!

MizNanners...Margie took cuts!!

Move over Margie!!



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you have not truly met the poet.
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5 posted 2001-09-10 01:13 AM


Yeah ... like she 'forgot' to sign in !
But, being the nice little apple-polisher that I am ...
I'll give her 'ups' !

So here's how I see it now on the Choka order -

1. Nan
2. S Arthur Grey
3. Titia Geertman
4. Munda
5. Vicky
6. Marge  

7. Allan
8. Cindi
9. Charisma



~*The pen of the poet never runs out of ink, as long as we breathe.*~
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[This message has been edited by Nan (edited 09-10-2001).]

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6 posted 2001-09-10 01:21 AM


*cough*
throw me in there, Marge.     Mine's done.

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cpalmer
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7 posted 2001-09-10 01:35 AM


oops...Nanners...count me in! I'm already done!
Cindi

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8 posted 2001-09-10 01:09 PM


Oh WOW forgot to sign in here, well, here I am.

Titia

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9 posted 2001-09-10 04:30 PM


can I....can I join too??

sounds soooooooo great  

Charisma

Nan
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10 posted 2001-09-10 08:50 PM


Then it's your turn, Charisma..
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11 posted 2001-12-07 11:16 AM


hey, I did not join this one... but already added mine... is that allowed... if not, pls. forgive...

regards,
sudhir

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12 posted 2001-12-07 06:11 PM


and I....ok I admit it wasn't my turn yet, but.... I couldn't let the choka slip away just like that.....hope you forgive me for doing that Mizzz Nanny....(apple on your desk)  

Charisma

~*Theresia~*

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