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icebox
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in the shadows

0 posted 2003-08-31 02:10 AM

We braided paths,
even though we both agreed,
by arbitrary terms
and artificial means,
to act like it was wrong;
you to feel the pains
of some published moral code
you swallowed as a child
and have never passed;
perhaps you needed sins
with more fiber in them;
me because you were young,
and I was old;
I was to know better
without ever being told.
These differences can make heavy burdens
for the small of mind,
and those of us who've gathered
far too many miles;
well I'm still old,
and now,
as if by magic,
you are not so young it seems.
If the love you professed
then was real
how do you feel with the lovers
that today you consume
like candy
on a lazy afternoon;
if we were not wrong
to have stayed so many years apart
why call me now
to tell me I am in your heart,
in your dreams?
I always felt like I had taught you
loyalty,
that it could be a way of life,
just so you would know
how to build the best betrayal.
Where was your morality then;
did it rail against your choices?
If it did it seemed then
and now
to have failed.
I don't hold a grudge,
when I told you I would never judge you,
that I did not matter
what happened in the end,
I was not passing off the fiction
of a Bard
trying to curry favor with a Queen.
You should know by now
I always mean what I say to you,
because if I was wrong,
or if I lied,
I would be left with everything to lose
and no where to hide from the consequence
of betraying my own soul.
I had used all my options in one simple choice;
I guess you could not tell
from my voice that I put all there was
of substance in my life
right out on the betting line;
you see,
there are times a man must bet
either red or black and having put it all down
might as well walk away,
because to win or lose
is all the same.
It is a free man's chance,
taken in the name of life;
there is no wrong,
there is only some epiphany,
a peak of feeling,
win or lose
it is like stealing food from god,
the only sin is in being alive
in hiding
refusing to try the leap;
that is why you could never really use me.
I knew who you were;
I know who you are today.
There is no way I could have turned
and walked away;
you simply were a part
of all I could have been,
all I could have wanted,
the partner of this life,
unlike all others
that one soul,
that one soul's thread
crossing in the infinite
at only one point,
at only one moment in time,
within whose smile I found peace.
Having lost the chance
is not the same as having
turned my back upon the choice.
That's a burden
for your soul to carry;
for mine
it means only this life's
business will die
unfinished,
burst and gone
like bubbles in the wine.

©2003 by icebox

1slick_lady
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1 posted 2003-08-31 02:14 AM

ice...next time she calls...just hang up the damn phone...helen

SEA

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with you

2 posted 2003-08-31 02:17 AM

"I always mean what I say to you,
because if I was wrong,
or if I lied,
I would be left with everything to lose
and no where to hide from the consequence
of betraying my own soul."

I really enjoy reading you

Skyfyre
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since 1999-08-15

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Sitting in Michael's Lap

3 posted 2003-08-31 02:17 AM

perhaps you needed sins
with more fiber in them;

*chuckle*

Very clever.

you see,
there are times a man must bet
either red or black and having put it all down
might as well walk away,
because to win or lose
is all the same.

*nod*

and finally ...

win or lose
it is like stealing food from god,

What a line. Thank you for this gift of a read.

Sunnyone
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4 posted 2003-08-31 02:29 AM

oh yes, this one has a lot of meat in it, and thoughts that will stay with me for awhile!! I am hooked on the title, too, and enjoy the bubbles in my wine!! ~S~

Accept these small gifts from my gypsy heart ~~S~~

Kaoru

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where the wild flowers grow

5 posted 2003-08-31 03:00 AM

"win or lose
it is like stealing food from god,
the only sin is in being alive
in hiding
refusing to try the leap;
that is why you could never really use me."

Amazing work..simply amazing.

Martie

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6 posted 2003-08-31 09:48 AM

icebox

Thank you for sharing so much of yourself in these words.

Martie

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7 posted 2003-08-31 09:50 AM

icebox

Thank you for sharing so much of yourself in these words.

Susan Caldwell
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8 posted 2003-08-31 09:58 AM

Icy,

This one gave me so much to ponder....

Sea stole my favorite lines...*sigh*

Thank you for giving so much in your words.

Susan

catalinamoon

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The Shores of Alone

9 posted 2003-08-31 09:59 AM

Well, you certainly told her! Very eloquently. Can I borrow some of these words for my male counterpart?
Sandra

SharaRose
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10 posted 2003-08-31 11:44 AM

Makes me want to know the other side of the story. It takes two people to make things good, or make things bad. I would be interested to know (her) side of the story! Seems to me that's only fair...otherwise it's making a judgement call without knowing *both* sides. And as for the statement of someone saying "you told her" has this person ever had a conversation with *her* and asked her side? Takes two to tango! Wouldn't that be the more (mature) approach is getting all sides first?

SharaRose @-->--

Of sound, and speech let all lift the hearer!

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Susan Caldwell
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11 posted 2003-08-31 12:07 PM

Don't think Icy is asking anyone to make judgements on "Sides". This is poetry, venting. That's it...we write it, be it non-fiction or fiction.

Funny I don't recall anyone asking a female writer what the male side was...

Susan

Kahlil
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12 posted 2003-08-31 12:33 PM

What an incredible write! This stands out to me:

You should know by now
I always mean what I say to you,
because if I was wrong,
or if I lied,
I would be left with everything to lose
and no where to hide from the consequence
of betraying my own soul.

Actually, I just love the whole thing...all the words, and the way you put them down.
~K~

icebox
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in the shadows

13 posted 2003-08-31 03:59 PM

1slick_lady ~ *grin* My big tough friend!  Thank you for caring.

SEA ~ Thank you for thanking time to share your thoughts.

Skyfyre ~ Thank you for understanding what a man sometimes has to do.

Sunnyone ~ Yes, I have this thing about titles.  It is almost like a special part of my brain writes the titles; some are absolutely terrible.  I try only to use the ones that are not so bad. *smile* Thank you for reading.

Kaoru ~ Thank you for seeing that image.  Maybe it is just where I am at right now, but those lines wrote themselves; I was just a vehicle.

Martie ~ Very much in part so you understand why I keep a distance.  Thank you for being my friend.

Susan Caldwell ~ *Pssst*...you can use those lines too! *smile* Thanks for reading my poems and for sharing your thoughts.  I appreciate it.

catalinamoon ~ Of course !!  My preference though would be for you to not have to feel these things.  I wish you better fortune than this. (...or maybe better judgement than I seem able to exercise.)

SharaRose ~ I can tell you the other side.  It is no mystery; this is not drawn from fiction.  This person is still alive.  This person does not believe in "fair" when life crosses her path; she would be the first to tell you that.   She does not believe she can be held accountable for her comments or promises.  She lives as much in the moment as is possible while holding down a set of very demanding responsibilities.  She does not value human life, at all.  She never met a male she could not use.  She believes loyalty is transient and does not believe in keeping promises or in making commitments; however, she demands absolute loyalty from those around her whom she calls her "minions" (right to their faces).  In this, she takes a "royal" view of life.  She takes big bites out of life and out of the people around her and she never ever apologizes for her behavior.  I know these things in part because I spent several years with her learning them, but also because she is not shy or embarrassed about admitting them as personality characteristics; she is, in fact proud of most of them and sees them as developmental achievements.

Would you like to know any more, or would you prefer to trash me either for being male and emotionally vulnerable, or for telling the truth without regard to what others think of me.

Susan Caldwell ~ Thanks.  You are correct.

Kahlil ~ I am glad you enjoyed this.  Thank you for reading it and for taking the time to tell me.

SharaRose
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14 posted 2003-08-31 06:57 PM

I'm not exactly sure ?why? posing the idea that there are two sides is trashing anyone? I don't really understand that, and if this person boasts about bullying, and that's what it is, then all I can say is human beings of [*neither*] sex likes that. I find it strange that I always say things that praise you when I comment on your writes. Why would it be so automatic for you to say I am trashing you??? You never say anything back to me on my comments when I say something good to you on the other boxes, but on this one you blast me. I don't get that at all. I never get any reply back from you until now? What is that? And by the way I don't advocate hurting anyone. I have been in a situation where someone has been VERY cruel to me, but I don't go to ANYONE online about it. I feel I am, just like anyone else is, entitled to have someone to talk to about my hurt. So I have never bashed anyone publicly unless it was in my defense against lies. YOu put words in my mouth and I don't think *any* person appreciates that at all. I don't go around online cutting people down. The man I have a problem with that I write about (like you are writing about now) is a VERY cruel and malicious person, and I do just like any other human being does, and that is strike out, and lash out in anger. You've never said anything in anger, or tried to stand up for yourself???? Sounds to me like everyone is entitled to an opinion as long as it's the same as yours. I don't trash, or bash ANYONE not ever. If I say something out of anger please don't tell me NO ONE else ever has.

Thank you,
SharaRose @-->--

Of sound, and speech let all lift the hearer!

[This message has been edited by SharaRose (08-31-2003 07:05 PM).]

Kahlil
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15 posted 2003-08-31 08:20 PM

SharaRose:
I think Icebox's agreement to encourage critique is about writing style and form, not content.
~K~

QjQ
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16 posted 2003-08-31 08:26 PM

I was unaware that postings presented on this forum were true confessions, as a person that posts and reads the postings contained within, it has been my belief that it was poetry and should be treated as such.

SharaRose
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17 posted 2003-08-31 09:17 PM

Thank you to all of you for your comments. I was wrong, and spoke out of line. I sure did, and when I'm wrong I say so. And I was wrong. About an hour ago I wrote Icebox an apology, because he deserved one. He deserved one, and got it. Thank you for your thoughts, and I don't blame any of you for feeling this way. For my doing this publicly. I definately do agree. If I wanted to speak out, and voice something about this I should have taken it to a private email venue. I apologize to all of you as well, and it won't happen again. I do hope you will forgive Icebox, because what I did was very unfair, and there I was talking about your post being unfair.

Thank you,
SharaRose @-->--

Of sound, and speech let all lift the hearer!

[This message has been edited by SharaRose (08-31-2003 09:19 PM).]

Kahlil
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18 posted 2003-08-31 09:49 PM

SharaRose:
I have the utmost respect for you. I bet Icy understood. ~K~

SharaRose
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19 posted 2003-09-01 10:49 AM

Thank you Kahlil.. What I did was not right, and I hope so. I hope you are right.

SharaRose @-->--

Of sound, and speech let all lift the hearer!

Earth Angel
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20 posted 2003-09-01 10:54 AM

Dear Box of Ice, you are an open book--and my eyes like to read you!

EA

Mysteria

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21 posted 2003-09-01 12:53 PM

you simply were a part
of all I could have been,

I recalled a similar pain I had (was husband #3 actually,) and your description of this "lady:" and what could have been reminded me so much of him. Then I started laughing, and thought what a shame it was that these two did not meet. He too was proud of his antics so it seemed, that finally one day I changed the locks so he could brag about them more often.

Toxic waste I can him now. There are always two sides to every story, but if even one can write like this about it, it is usually the truth that hurts, isn't it?

Midnitesun

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Gaia

22 posted 2003-09-06 02:07 PM

quote:
you see,
there are times a man must bet
either red or black and having put it all down
might as well walk away,
because to win or lose
is all the same.

I'll be keeping this write, and highlighting these powerful thoughts.
Heart hugs.

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