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Useful Idiots: The End of American Liberalism? |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n18/judt01_.html quote: quote: quote: When Liberalism in any meaningful sense goes down the toilet, is the country far behind? |
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iliana Member Patricius
since 2003-12-05
Posts 13434USA |
Is it going down the toilet? Brad, I think it is circling and waiting for a second flush. The majority of people are one of two ways here, I think. Either they are filled with the typical ugly American syndrome or they are filled with fear. Nope, I have to take it back, there are a few that actually buy into the lies we are fed on a daily basis, and actually they are decent, patriotic people, just trying to get by -- just too easily fooled. Off subject a little, but as an illustration...the Snowball job(even though I don't really blame Tony Snow...lol) that is being inflicted on the Senate at the moment with modifying the Geneva Convention. "Clarification," my bippie! I keep wondering when everyone will wake up. http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/09/colin_powell_op.html It's one thing to see the glass half full as has been quoted on these blue pages before, meaning those who open their mouths are pessimists. It is an entirely different thing to hear blatant flasities coming out of the White House about their reasons for wanting to rewite our agreement to the Geneva Convention, not to mention the Constitution. The rhetoric of calling those citizens of this country who care about the direction we are going is to call them....liberal....in such a tone and in such a light that it makes it a bad word, and in effect, shuts up the free thinkers as your article points out. Right now....not more than a 100 miles off these US shores, a major Bush bashing is going on.....unfortunately, the whole US, its citizens here and abroad, is the target of that bashing, too. I am praying for a major change in Congress to occur with upcoming elections. The few brave souls, including mostly former veterans, like John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Colin Powell, have waited far too long to open their mouths as widely as they needed to be opened. But, today, I was proud of those Republicans and the other generals and senators. I just hope it is not too late because up until today, I thought the answer to your question was yes. Oh, and Brad, check out some of the comments at the bottom of that blog....I think there are still a few liberals around. ![]() [This message has been edited by iliana (09-16-2006 05:11 AM).] |
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Jason Lyle Senior Member
since 2003-02-07
Posts 1438With my darkling |
Brad, we can only hope, that liberalism goes down the toilet.But you don't have to worry bout it much, our politics follow the same trend.Liberals get in office, and spend 4-8 years making a mess, America gets tired of it, elects a conservative to fix things, they get the blame for liberals messing things up, and start to fix things.Change is slow and hard, people tire of waiting, things slowly get better, but we are impatient.We grow tired of waiting, and forget the liberals made the mess, and elect another liberal or three.They promptly make a mess of things again.we will always spin wheels like this, better off with 8 year terms, reelectable for 8 more.Real change takes time, and idealism is for liberals and teenagers, both whom only fix things from the bottom up. Jason |
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iliana Member Patricius
since 2003-12-05
Posts 13434USA |
Jason, the following is the definition of liberalism from Wikipedia: "Liberalism is an ideology, philosophical view, and political tradition which holds that liberty is the primary political value." One of the fundamental premises of liberalism is that laws which restrict personal freedom must be justified. The authors of our Constitution guaranteed that. So, this is what you object to?....are we in trouble, or what! |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
That's the book definition, iliana. It doesn't mean that's what they do....there's a difference. |
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iliana Member Patricius
since 2003-12-05
Posts 13434USA |
Well, Mike, Brad's question was: "When Liberalism in any meaningful sense goes down the toilet, is the country far behind?" I thought we were speaking of the true meaning of liberalism. If not, then my bad. |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
Jason, Who are you talking about? |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
aha, Iliana, I see what you mean. You went with liberalism and I went with American liberalism...could be my bad instead. When Brad starts talking about toilets and behinds, I get confused easily ![]() |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
quote: What other kind of definition is there, Mike? Can you define a word by the people who ascribe to it? Or do you tell those people, "Hey, dude, you're using the word incorrectly!" I'll admit, I'm not much up on political labels, especially when most have long since gone the way Orwell's double-speak. I'm still trying to figure out how the opposite of pro-life can be pro-choice? Doesn't liberal mean to be bountiful? But shouldn't that imply that a conservative has to be stingy? It's all so darn confusing. Why can't we just judge our politicians on what they say and do instead of labels that probably long since stopped corresponding to "the book definition?" ![]() |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Exactly, Ron. We SHOULD judge our politicians by what they say and do as opposed to what a book definition says they are. I agree with the double-speak. The only one I've found to be accurate is that the opposite of progress is congress... |
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