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icebox
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0 posted 2003-06-06 01:51 PM



There is an epitaph for man
written in the sand,
where the waves caress the land
with a numbing afterthought
that quenches sorrow,
and the folly of it seems
to be reflected in my dreams
as the ghost of honor screams,
"There is no sacrifice in death
without tomorrow."

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serenity blaze
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1 posted 2003-06-06 01:55 PM


Damn, ice, ya made me take my pulse!



as to where the sacrifice lies in death, methinks may depend on the quality of life?

whew. Okay, I'll put the coffee down...

Thanks for the think-smiles today.


icebox
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2 posted 2003-06-06 02:00 PM


Didn't mean to catch you off guard, sorry.

It just came up when I read one of you recent postings.

Uh...this poem came up...well you know what I mean.

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3 posted 2003-06-06 02:06 PM


It's okay.

Sometimes stumbling over one's own grave can be a GOOD thing...eyes twinkling now...

I'll have to tell ya about that some time...


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4 posted 2003-06-06 02:08 PM



You've got to laugh at Serenity's comments....pulse, indeed.  I know she's still breathing because she's still writing!

But you're pulling out all the plugs today, Ice...keep 'em coming!

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5 posted 2003-06-06 02:09 PM


as to where the sacrifice lies in death, methinks may depend on the quality of life?


BS....
a cop out to rationalize the prospect death may be better than the alternative of sticking around and making things better in some way... we would in your argument rather pass on into death than struggle with where we are...

icebox
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6 posted 2003-06-06 02:09 PM


By all means do...I hope your heart is back to normal.

Now I need coffee and something for a headache.

What is that bright burning object hanging up in the sky???


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7 posted 2003-06-06 02:12 PM


now Cap, there's fine lines there, and you know me better than to think I'd give in...

now give a poor recluse a break will ya?

"lyin' bed, just like Brian Wilson did..."



Some times it's enough to just stay STILL for me...now enough, but I tell ya, ya'll do have me giggling now!

icebox
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8 posted 2003-06-06 02:14 PM


Well, death comes for us all eventually; the only error I have seen drive some astray is the fear that it won't show up; that living in hell might go on forever.
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9 posted 2003-06-06 02:24 PM


Ice... yeah..I know how that drives people astray. I also know for a many of the ones it does or did, there were choices...and in the end the fear of making those choices or the inability to make those choices was a bigger obstacle to going on than ending it all...

Ser... recluse or not.. it is still a cop out. No way I think you have so little intellegence to give it all up just because it is tough... I do know however the things we sometimes fight seem to make us a whole lot less rational than we would normally be.


He teased
in a slow taunting way
how good it would feel
if I let it all just fade.

A pretty smile
and a tender promised touch
no more this rough
no less this tender
why stay?
why stay?

Such a sexy thought
the final ecstatic gasp...
come with me he said
but is voice still had the rasp
of all those ashed graves
unbroken promise
shattered in rows of gapping white teeth
and the wind whispered once...
just a single time

and I began again
to breathe


icebox
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10 posted 2003-06-06 02:29 PM


Cpat Hair ~ Careful now...you are zeroing in on the meaning of life.  You may frighten the children.  

*smile*

Thank you for your insightful comments and verse.

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11 posted 2003-06-06 02:30 PM


grrrrrrr...

I know what you're doing Cap...just trying to find the lion in me are ya?

smile.

You know it's working too.

grrrrrr...

hugs you.

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12 posted 2003-06-06 02:31 PM


There is an epitaph for man
"written in the sand,
where the waves caress the land
with a numbing afterthought
that quenches sorrow,
and the folly of it seems
to be reflected in my dreams
as the ghost of honor screams,
"There is no sacrifice in death
without tomorrow."

If it is written in the sand, where the waves caress the land then doesn't that imply that it can be erased?  okay maybe that is what you meant....

Nicely done.

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13 posted 2003-06-06 05:22 PM


icebox

I had to go back and read your poem another time I got so caught up in the replies...all interesting.  You do a thing with words that makes a person think..and I still think that's a good thing.  

icebox
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14 posted 2003-06-06 05:23 PM


serenity blaze ~ Thank you for not fighting while I was gone

Susan Caldwell ~ There is no life so fully measured that it does not leave unknown tomorrows.  The thought, written on the hard wet sand at water's edge is there only temporarily, as are each of us; the meaning of the thought, like the value of a life, remains when each is gone.
Thank you for reading my poem and for the thoughtful question.

icebox
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15 posted 2003-06-06 05:33 PM


Martie ~ It sounds like you are not sure how long you might continue to think that is a good thing.   *laugh*

Words have precise meanings but they also have real sounds, both in the air and in the mind.  Is it not the poet's gift (or  curse) to use whatever threads exist to line and fill the woven image?  ...to transmit more than just the finite meaning of the words from one ensouled nervous system to another, to make real contact, without the benefit of a direct physical link?

Thank you for taking time to read my poem and for your comments.  I appreciate it.

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16 posted 2003-06-06 05:37 PM


icebox

"to transmit more than just the finite meaning of the words from one ensouled nervous system to another, to make real contact, without the benefit of a direct physical link?"

Yes, it is the poet's gift...certainly yours.

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17 posted 2003-06-06 06:08 PM


yeah martie..it his gift or talent...
even his explanantion speaks in tones that would be the envy of many a poet...
LOL


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18 posted 2003-06-07 04:36 AM


wow, what a thread! I'm thinking way too much right now....
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