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ecrivan
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0 posted 2003-02-16 08:58 PM



When will we ever learn?
It has been argued that as long as we are
in this condition
there will be no release from the cycle
of those who predicate peace
yet wave war-heads behind their backs
man's duplicity is inherent, many say.
Humanity can keep this duality to itself
yet I have to watch as new conflicts spawn
out of old ones
and see enemies that once fought become allies
only to unite and pitch their efforts
against others, against others
little do they see they sew the seeds
of resentment and anguish for lack of better ways
than destruction and decimation.
The world has not gone 'crazy'
it has always been this way
critics will chirp
there have always been conflicts
and man has escaped somehow, somewhere
but still we have not learned...
this cannot go on forever.



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1 posted 2003-02-17 11:34 AM



Poets throughout time have written of the auspices, and consequences of war.  Every anthology should carry with it some piece of "time of writing" and hopefully, will be read over and over, in more peaceful times...thank you Ecrivan...

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2 posted 2003-02-17 12:19 PM


Your words ring true, ecrivan... Indeed...
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3 posted 2003-02-17 04:07 PM




sad sigh) But at this rate it just might and then before we know it we are all lying motionless in the water when the floodgates open and no one is living and God is just bowing His head in shame that He created this world for us all but the toothache was always there in the cavities of order! (big hugggsssssss) I pray this won't happen and someday the world together can come to an understanding, and in starting so I support your thoughts and wish for these to be in the next publication, you have my vote, we all love you so much! You have such a beautiful heart, sweet Martin, thank you for sharing!



May love and light always shine upon you!

Love,
Noah Eaton

"Underneath your clothes there's an endless story..."

Shakira

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4 posted 2003-02-17 04:12 PM


Indeed... this cannot go on forever.
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5 posted 2003-02-17 05:05 PM


History repeats itself, but why must it do it so soon? Yes, this tells the truth, the sad truth, and the voice in your words must be heard.  Excellent write!

Accept these small gifts from my gypsy soul, and let the magik happen!  ~~S~~

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6 posted 2003-02-17 07:39 PM


Very excellent write ...
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7 posted 2003-02-17 08:13 PM


Sunnyone

it is to soon I think too...I am so aware of the repetition and so unaware of what it would be like to live in a country devasted by a halocaust...thank you for replying

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8 posted 2003-02-17 08:19 PM


Hello Andrew,

And yet my write is intended for the irony of events which pits the consequences of 'actions of self-defence' against a region known already to have parlayed repercussions all around the globe. I think the root lies in integrating minority groups better in every multicultural nation.


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9 posted 2003-02-17 08:23 PM


Lady in White,

And timely this is..intended for those who seek to get above the immediate use of force
and work within societies.like we would want to work within the family to avoid 'parental abuse' rather than having a policeman ringing your doorbell...to enforce rules


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10 posted 2003-02-17 08:34 PM


Hello Nan and Noah,

The rate of learning is so much slower than the rate of childbirth I'm afraid my dear Noah..and by that I mean by the time we in the 'west' have reconciled our differences with a regional population there are so many other millions of inhabitants who come into being and  have never been a part of any peacemaking initiative, and they learn the law of the street, hating the occupier or being suspicious of 'foreign' presence ....we cannot say that status quo for peace at any moment is good forever..it must be modified as populations expand, migrate and evolve...this is where much of the weakness in humanity lies and it perculates into our assumption that political lines permanately defines populational needs and expectations....so lets continue to transmit the need for a peaceful solution without the use of force.

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11 posted 2003-02-18 12:11 PM


Martin,
Yup, the end will come...eventually. A vote for the man with a very active social conscience.

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

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12 posted 2003-02-18 02:55 PM


We can only hope.  Well, that's not exactly true... we can more than just hope, we can become active.  The voice of art is a powerful one, and it's good of you to speak out like this.  Hopefully we will find a solution to our problems before we wipe out all life on this planet.

Sure it has always been this way.  But one thing that hasn't always been this way is the capability we have to destroy.  As that increases, war will be more and more devastating, until finally there's nobody to fight anymore...

It's really sad... I wish there were some way to change things, but I doubt it's going to happen.

Parasite

"Faith" means the will to avoid knowing what is true.
~ Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

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13 posted 2003-02-18 04:28 PM


Oh, I sometimes wonder if we will ever learn. The sand will run out long before that point I'm sure
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14 posted 2003-02-18 04:50 PM


As usual, your words provoke thought and by your replies, your readers were thinking!

May the sands of time, turn the tide...

Linda

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15 posted 2003-02-18 11:56 PM


Hi Nancy,

thanks for sharing and you did notice a more
'independent' choice of words from the PM...at least to throw in the idea of respecting multiculturalism


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16 posted 2003-02-19 12:00 PM


Hi Linda,

Sometimes I think it's good to provoke the reader...there is much on love issues here, why not a mention on what can hurt us more


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17 posted 2003-02-19 12:02 PM


My friend owl,

ah yes pessimism..I think we're clearly on
the way to future proliferation and then?


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18 posted 2003-02-19 12:13 PM


Parasite,

I wish there were 'real' changes rather than allusions I fill my poems with...your opinion is appreciated and I too am sad of the consequences that face people we bring into the world.


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19 posted 2003-02-19 12:15 PM


Larry,

you gave an approoriate 'title' and the forums
can always be assured of some address or another regarding a current issue or something we've always been faced with but never wanted to discuss

[This message has been edited by ecrivan (02-19-2003 12:16 AM).]

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20 posted 2003-02-20 09:30 AM


Craziness isn't it!!!!
Very nice!!!!

Bridgette

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Please believe me when I say it doesn't mean I was taking your words lightly... quite the contrary. *S* But even before I reached the end, I was humming "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" and wondering if it's even possible for us to learn enough to stop the repetition. Very good write!!
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22 posted 2003-02-21 07:33 PM


Hi Suthern,

Sorry your first line is unclear to me..I don't think about what other poets think,  whether this is good or bad as much as I think about us sailing into shark infested seas..and where do we find the lifeboats if the ship capsizes?Appreciate your sharing of ideas


Yes Bridgette,

yes humans can be quite something, can't they?



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23 posted 2003-02-23 02:19 PM


Are you sure there are lifeboats?  This was a great piece for ponding and I don't know how i missed you Ecrivan, great write.

          
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24 posted 2003-02-23 02:25 PM


Thanks Mysteria,

it' so easy to slide down from morning to afternoon..you know...I don't know about the boats...makes me think that here we are on a global titanic..with too few lifeboats available,,thanks for clicking in


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25 posted 2003-03-16 07:58 AM



I do hope this makes it into the book, to give the anthology a historical sense of time...thank you, Ecrivan...

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26 posted 2003-03-16 09:48 AM


Very well done Martin!
~Hugs from another Canadian~

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And in doing so, you touch my heart. ~

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27 posted 2003-03-16 12:23 PM


Interesting use of words "as the sands run out" indeed thought provoking.....Great Job Sir!
Lauren~

Here I am
Running after dreams ~
I made it through another lonely night
Thinking of you
I know I should be strong
I just can’t say ~goodbye~(LR)

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28 posted 2003-03-16 12:34 PM


Excellent!
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29 posted 2003-03-18 11:51 PM


Karilea,

To give the book an historical sense yes because there has never been a confrontation of this sort. The biggest threat to world peace is in upsetting those moderate regimes  who have so far supported American involvement in the gulf region and who have large islamic populations.


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30 posted 2003-03-18 11:56 PM


Lauren

When the sabres rattle I do get a feeling that there are many issues that America has overlooked in the MidEast particularly. I can understand their need to protect their interests but it is the scale of involvement which has me worried.

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31 posted 2003-03-27 06:36 PM


"but still we have not learned..."  

sadly, we may never learn..but, you're right, this cannot go on forever...there will be a better day ...soon

hugs, g

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32 posted 2003-04-03 11:52 PM


Bump....

"Somewhere, somehow, it should be possible to touch someone and never let go again.  To hold someone, not for a moment but forever." Unknown


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Good peice and I am happy to vote.  Joyce
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34 posted 2003-04-04 12:42 PM


Good piece and I am happy to vote.  Joyce
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35 posted 2003-04-04 10:08 PM


sorry i came late...my vote is cast for this emotionally-charged, yet unoffensive piece...the much food of thought factor is another plus
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36 posted 2003-04-04 10:32 PM


dgvarner,

Thanks for sharing.I don't see Iraqis waving American flags, unfortunately..and although some who have been televised are pleased that their oppressors are vanquished, they didn't go into thin air...so for that better day? that remains the challenge of the new millenium



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37 posted 2003-04-07 07:33 PM


kaile,

Tried to be as unoffensive as could be


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Bump....

"Somewhere, somehow, it should be possible to touch someone and never let go again.  To hold someone, not for a moment but forever." Unknown


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I remember this one Martin...a very thought-provoking piece.
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ecrivan
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41 posted 2003-05-21 11:04 PM


Passing Shadow,

You're a great sport in bumping this up for me and that allows others who don't go to far down the postings to read...this is still
applicable as it seems now that there is a new squaring off of forces in the Mid-East.


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