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The Expense of Free Will
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The Expense of Free Will |
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ShadowRider Senior Member
since 2001-07-14
Posts 1038USA 
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The Expense of Free Will Some call it a kingdom without a king a land that can never be owned Some lose their life over it some others die for it It’s quicker to die than to lose life What man can ever be free whose mind chooses for him what to remember? illusions or reality or slaves to a way of thinking Where does freedom really lie? in the absences of cages? in the achievement of security? in the words of a document? just perhaps: it is the ability to control self-thought and few men have ever been its master [This message has been edited by ShadowRider (08-30-2002 05:52 PM).] |
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Martie
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Member Empyrean
since 1999-09-21
Posts 28049California |
Jeff You are such a thinker, yourself...and wise too, it seems. You have given me a new thought...so perhaps one can't control ones own thoughts, but can give thought to others? Interesting write...I always enjoy what you have to say. |
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ShadowRider Senior Member
since 2001-07-14
Posts 1038USA |
Hi Martian: Here's my thinking at the time: I was trying to get a handle on what was the common denominator between great men. You have fingered the 2nd part of the equation that i was missing: that being the ability to alter other's thoughts as well as control of their own. If we interpret desires acted upon as potentially uncontrolled impulses, it proves how a disciplined mind achieves greatness. See! you got me thinking too....is the world quite ready enough for you and me both to think at the same time????? hehehe jeff [This message has been edited by ShadowRider (08-30-2002 06:07 PM).] |
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Marsha
since 2000-07-10
Posts 7423Maidstone Kent England |
Jeff darling heart, ahhhh how true your writing is as always you write and I hear the words deep in the places of my soul. So true, thought should be what comes before action. If there is no action then what use thought, the wise man / woman thinks and then acts, the fool reacts before thinking and the one who only thinks about acting is less than a fool. I’m not entirely sure which of the wise ones said that but I know it’s in a philosophy somewhere Wonderful writing my dearest friend absolutely wonderful, bumpity bump up you go to gather a whole quiver full of responses. Truly exquisite writing as always. You know I love your work utterly utterly   Love and warm stuff As always Mushy  Breathe through the heat of our desire Thy coolness and they balm Let sense be dumb let flesh retire Speak through the earthquake wind and fire [This message has been edited by Marsha (08-30-2002 09:26 PM).] |
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Mistletoe Angel 
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
 (big hugggssssss) Oh Jeff, this is such a eerie though indeed, it is as though we all are treated like mannequins on a caterpillar tread, educated the same way and we never get the opportunity to think for ourselves and do what truly makes us happy and follow our endeavors! (sad sigh) This deeply saddens me, it seems the modern definition of freedom is exaggerated and so very ersatz to me! I wish for true freedom to find its page again, sweet friend, we all love you so much! You have such a beautiful heart, sweet Jeff, thank you for sharing!  May love and light always shine upon you! Love, Noah Eaton "Underneath your clothes there's an endless story..." |
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Magnus
since 2001-10-10
Posts 14135South Carolina, USA |
Jeff, Watch out, you got me thinking now, about all of this philosophy... I tend to agree, one must be in control of their thoughts to become great, so to speak. And one must have the ability to bring to them the flock.... Mayhaps one could also be a wolf in sheep's clothing as well....Taking into consideration one who almost changed the destiny of the world through his self beliefs..(Hitler) Yet, I would certainly not say he was in control, just very controlling...and dominating... I doubt I will ever win the battle of self control....But, one can certainly try... Thanx for this thinker of a poem...You do it well... Barry |
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MidnightSon Member
since 2002-05-15
Posts 312between the gutter & the stars |
how socratic...what is true freedom? freedom of thought? if we're thinking things that have been thought before, are we mimicking or are we free in that we chose to follow that doctrine of thought? control of self thought... is freedom only control of something else? a cage on our thoughts (with an open door) is freedom? interesting.... i think you're right in a sense. we need to think for ourselves. but i think other perspectives are necessary to life. none of us escapes life without being influenced, by good and bad. perhaps freedom lies in the choice. the choice between influence and self thought, between illusion and reality... between how others say we should be and how we are? questions hold more truth than the answers... enjoyed your write, your ideas. got my mind in gear today.  it's our struggle for identity that leaves us all unknown |
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Bill Charles Member Patricius
since 2000-07-11
Posts 10619highways, & byways, for now |
ShadowRider - you write of thoughts true to think about. Free will, what is it really? BC |
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Lady In White
since 2001-02-12
Posts 2799USA |
Perhaps one of the better poems of free will |
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Madame Chipmunk Member Rara Avis
since 2001-12-05
Posts 8296Michigan |
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us in this beautiful philosophical poem, Jeff... I think we are all born with the will to make ourselves the best we can be... but some of us...like this chipmunk, are such control freaks that we try to push others into being what we want them to be...  ~ hugs from a controlling chipmunkLyra |
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Enchantress Member Empyrean
since 2001-08-14
Posts 35113Canada eh. |
Very interesting write Jeff... We are all given free will... but, something or someone happens along the way... you have left much for me to ponder tonight. I missed reading you while away... Good stuff here! ~Hugs~ ~ Time has cast a spell on you |
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Midnitesun
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
Free will is cool. I never did like having to pay for my thoughts. HUH? I enjoyed this thought provoking write. Now if only I could find where I left that damn will! |
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Dulcinea Senior Member
since 2001-07-22
Posts 774IN |
I suppose I have always considered a great man to be one who has the integrity and will to master his own thoughts, and inspire others to do the same. To me, that is what embodies a truly great man... IICor. 10:5 |
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