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Balladeer
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...for race riots. That'll get people's minds off the economy. http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/video/#!/on-air/shows/Nutter--Trayvon-Was-Assassinated/144155795 Perhaps Nutter, Sharpeton, Jackson and Obama might care to comment on this one... http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/23/flashback-2-weeks-ago-you-get-what-you-deserve-white-boy-boy-13-doused-in-gasoline-and-set-alight-in-racially-motivated-attack/ Of course, the victim of the second link doesn't look like a son of Obama's.. |
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Mike, I am incredibly sad. There is no right in either occurance. I think the difference might be that the Trayvon case was built upon the outcry of people through social media. If there had not been that, I am not sure that most of us would have known who Trayvon Martin was and what happened to him if people had not posted their anger and feelings on the forums. We should be angry about Trayvon and we should be angry about young Mr. Coon. One young man dead. One young man terrorized. It just makes me so damn angry and so damn sad. I don't have answers or really much of a response except people need to figure out what they want and vote. We can scream and rant all we want, but if we don't vote we live with other people's decisions. Our election process might not be the best process, but it is our process. There is so much anger in this country - and we need express it at the polls. My heart goes out to the families Martin and Coons. Alison |
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Yes, Alison, the outcry of people through social media..and who are those people? There's the rub. Perhaps if the second victim were black, Sharpeton and Obama would be supporting him...or at least mentioning him. Perhaps then there would be prayers for him or people marching and calling for vengeance. The Trayvon incident is being used as race-baiting and hate mongering. As with the black professor, Obama is right there, also. |
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Obama's not the only one...another reason why Santorum is an idiot. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/25/Santorum-Pronounces-Zimmerman-Guilty-Before-Charge?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigGovernment+%28Bi g+Government%29&utm_content=FaceBook |
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Alison
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Does it really matter "who" the people are? Don't we all have the ability and opportunity to do the same thing? |
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Yes, actually it does, Alison. Do you really think the protestors, the ones screaming for blood and vigilante law have anything to do with regards to voting??? Your philosophy is sound....but has little to do with this situation. |
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Alison
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No, I don't think that the ones screaming for blood and vigilante law do have much to do with voiting. I was thinking of all those who are aware, concerned and talking who have nothing to do with calling out for blood and vigilante law. Perhaps we are talking about two different things. I am side-stepping the exploitation of Trayvon's death for political gain. However, a lot of the people who are angry and crying out for changes in this country need to step up and let their voices be heard at the polls. Anger just seems to be spilling over everywhere in America. If we don't become part of the process, I believe we are more vulernable to those who speak on our behalf ... like those who are crying out for blood and vigilante justice. A |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
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. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/294357/why-manipulate-tragedy-trayvon-martin-heather-mac-donald . |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
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. http://radio.nationalreview.com/radioderb/post/?q=OWU0NTc3OTUwZDY2NGVmNGFjYzc3ZTg1MjY0ZmQ0OTI= . |
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. “ A rally is to be held marking a month since black teenager Trayvon Martin was gunned down in a gated community by a neighbourhood watchman in Florida” “In another development, city officials named an African-American, Capt Darren Scott, as acting chief of Sanford police department.” “Meanwhile, Joe Oliver, identified as a friend of Mr Zimmerman, said the vilified 28-year-old - the son of a white father and Hispanic mother - was no racist.” “Over the weekend, Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, an African-American, told MSNBC he considered the shooting to be "nothing short of an assassination".” http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17515792 Is there racism in America? Of course . . . Please, 30 days from now, someone list the facts of this case as have been learned. . |
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Yes, that will be interesting. My guess is that Sharpeton will have disappeared the same way he did after the lacrosse team rape that didn't happen and Obama will be inviting Zimmerman to the White House for a beer. (well, maybe not the second one)  |
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New Black Panthers offer reward for capture of George Zimmerman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLiJ4k5QPNs |
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. How about for the secret eyewitness whose account supports Zimmerman’s? "George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents. . . According to the document, Zimmerman’s race is officially listed as Hispanic. The son of a white father and Peruvian mother, he has been described as a “white Hispanic” in most media reports.” http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/ Not exactly Nathan Bedford Forest, but the main stream media works with what they can get. . . Now if the parentage had been switched, with the father being Peruvian, would we even know this story existed? “Let’s not be naïve: If Trayvon Martin had been shot that night by another black teenager there would be have been nothing from president Obama, no nationally televised demonstrations, no demands for justice by prominent civil rights leaders, and nobody outside his immediate circle of family and friends would even know his name. We know about Trayvon Martin only because the man who shot him looks white. Actually, Zimmerman’s mother is Peruvian, which makes him half Hispanic, a fact you might not have known if you get your news from the usual places. That would only detract from the storyline: black kid shot by overzealous (and probably racist) white vigilante. For what it’s worth, the New York Times refers to him as a “white Hispanic,” a politically correct description to make sure we know Mr. Zimmerman is a white man – and not “a person of color.” You think the Times would call him a “white Hispanic” if he had won a Nobel Prize for curing cancer? . . . . Hundreds of young black men are shot and killed in this country every year. In almost all the cases, the shooter is also black. Try to name one of those dead black men. Just one.” http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/trayvon-martin-and-media-hypocrisy/ What I resent is the willful manipulation, omission and misrepresentation on the part of news media to promote some political or social purpose. As such I don’t think it can or should be expected to have the trust and faith it imagines it deserves from critically thinking adults in this world. . |
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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-trademark-name-20120326_1_mother-files-trademark-office-petitions Interesting....two scenarios come to mind. (1) The mother and father decide to come up with a way to ease their grief and make some money from their son's death so they trademark two phrases that are related to the tragedy. (2) The couple are approached by Sharpeton, Jackson or the like are are convinced to get the trademarks, after which hoodies and signs are printed and sold, making money for both the couple and whoever came up with the plan. Also very advantageous or Sharpeton/Jackson who, by with the amount of rabble raising they can create, and the longer they can make it front page news, will make more money from it. My vote is for number two. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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I think speculation is not what we should be doing. Speculation lends to the predisposed mindset that perpetuates bigotry of all kinds. I do not happen to be a fan of the "stand your ground" law for just that reason. It blurs facts with the very speculation of investigation. It's difficult enough for law enforcement to ascertain the difference without a fuzzy law putting filters on the light. In the meantime, it happens to be the law in Florida. If I lived in Florida, I think I would actively campaign to rescind it. |
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Fuzzy it is but, in this case, it all depends on the circumstances. If the fellow chased the kid and shot him, that law would not save him. If the kid had him on the ground and was beating him, as witnesses have testified, it would. An investigation will hopefully tell. People who want vigilante law, who offer rewards, who try the case in the court of public opinion instead of a court of law, are out of line. If Zimmerman did shoot the kid for no valid reason, I'll be the first one to applaud his conviction. Isn't it interesting, though, that the incident happened a month ago and, for three weeks, no papers carried it and no one made a fuss about it. Then somehow it became front page news, leading to protests, marches, and cries of racial hatred. I heard that the Black Panthers have raised the reward to one million. Isn't it also interesting that Obama has nothing to say about that? True, one can say that the president of the United States has no obligation to weigh in on local issues...except he already did, voluntarily. Now that the group that democrats used to intimidate voters at the polling booths are offering a reward for the "capture" of Zimmerman, disregarding law, Obama doesn't even have the decency to call that wrong. If it turns out that Zimmerman was within his rights and the testimony of the eyewitnesses is true, and Zimmerman is found innocent, be ready for the race riots to begin. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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If we must speculate, I'll speculate for justice served, as presented by the evidence revealed. Race-baiting, Race riots, conspiracist motivation theories, media on both sides exploiting a heart-breaking situation, and here we are, the little mini-talking head pep squad? *wince* I take no sides. I do not have access to the evidence. I backspaced the speech.  But I maintain my distaste for that particular law--it muddles police investigations and encourages the vigilante. It's just a bad deal. The media does what the media does, they get paid to do it. We don't. I don't need an interpreter, and I'm pretty sure most people would resent the idea that they did. Let's wait to see what the evidence reveals. We really don't know enough to be judging the call. |
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True...and we are not judging the call. We are judging how the process is being manipulated. I agree with you. Let's see what the investigation turns up. The folks stirring up the racial hatred stew aren't interested in doing that. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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Thank you. I'd like to think that everybody would like your questions answered. It's rather painful for me to watch. (It took a long time for the Danziger Bridge incident to finally go to court, and even the outcome was painful on all sides.) So excuse me. *smile* I have some new glasses, and a yummy book. (Bill Moyers--Genesis.) I think I'll have some tea and hopefully read a couple of pages before I fall asleep. G'nite, 'deer. |
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Hope you slept well, serenity gal. Here come da dems... WASHINGTON – House Democrats invoked the name of slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin on Tuesday as they filed a challenge to Arizona’s SB 1070, the immigration law to be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court next month. The friend-of-the-court brief from 68 Democrats – including both from Arizona – argues that SB 1070 is unconstitutional because it pre-empts federal authority. Southern Arizona's U.S. Rep. Raúl Grijalva led the push for the brief. But much of the discussion at Tuesday’s news conference centered on Martin, the unarmed black teen killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer who said he was acting in self-defense when he shot the hoodie-wearing youth last month. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, said a law like SB 1070 will give police “the right to be judge and jury,” which could have disastrous results “in a nation where we all are different.” “In one case, a hoodie equals suspicion,” she said. “In another case, it is a tanness of your skin, or the coloration of your skin, or maybe the configuration of your face.” Supporters of the law called references to Martin an “unfair comparison,” noting that Arizona’s law only applies to police officers – not neighborhood-watch volunteers. “SB 1070 only allows police officers to question suspected immigration status,” said state Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills. “To invoke the name of that recently killed teenager sensationalizes and emotionalizes a debate that should be logical or rational.” http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/032712_az_sb1070/grijalva-dems-file-challenge-sb-1070-with-supreme-court/ Illinois Congressman Bobby Rush, created an uproar today by donning a hoodie and sunglasses, in protest of the Trayvon Martin shooting. Rush addressed the House floor stating "Racial profiling has to stop," Rush removed his jacket revealing a hoodie underneath. He then pulled the hood over his head removing his glasses, and replaced them with sunglasses. "Just because someone wears a hoodie does not make them a hoodlum." The Congressman then began quoting passages from the Bible expressing the need "to do justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God" and about being "sent ... to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and to recover the sight to the blind and to set the oppressed free .... I urge all men who hear these words to heed these lessons." Republican Rep. Greg Harper of Mississippi made numerous attempts to stop Rush by hammering his gavel repeatedly. However, Congressman Rush proceeded to speak, raising his voice. Rush shouted out "May God bless Trayvon Martin's soul, his family while he was escorted off the House floor by the House Sergeant of Arms. http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-national/illinois-congressman-ejected-from-house-floor-for-donning-hoodie-and-sunglasses#ixzz1qR7ibZJj |
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New Black Panther leader in racist rant: 'I don't follow American law' In a video posted on YouTube Tuesday, New Black Panther leader Minister Mikhail Muhammad told CNN's Anderson Cooper he doesn't follow American law, effectively saying he disassociates himself from the Constitution or federal and state laws. Instead, he says he follows what he called the "street people's law." Cooper, much to his credit, grilled the Black Panther, asking him how it was he could call for a citizen's arrest when George Zimmerman, the Hispanic neighborhood watchman who shot Trayvon Martin, has not yet been charged with a crime. "Under the Constitution, you can make a citizen's arrest. You cannot arrest somebody...that hasn't been charged with anything," Cooper said. "Well, according to the street people's law, he has been charged with murder," Muhammad replied, calling his version of the law, "God's law." "I wanna say, I don't obey the white man's law, I don't follow American law," he added, claiming the law does not protect him and adding that he is not a citizen. "So, I have no right to respect American law," he said. Muhammad continued, with a not-so-veiled threat that if Zimmerman would be executed if he is found. Continue reading on Examiner.com New Black Panther leader in racist rant: 'I don't follow American law' - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/new-black-panther-leader-racist-rant-i-don-t-follow-american-law#ixzz1qRAGfcNN |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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I'd like to clear something up. I think that reporting such things is a GOOD thing, because we need to be made aware of such matters if we are to change our laws for the better. Exploitation of a person's pain for political motive is repulsive on either side, and accusations of race-bating, is..well, race-baiting itself. I'd also like to say that for some reason, people equate justice with a happy ending. Justice, from my experience, can be painful for all of those personally involved. My only opinion on the matter is that the "stand your ground" law is flawed. I'm going to be really unpopular by further adding that I wish for stricter gun control laws. The only reason I own a handgun is that I inherited it, and yes, I needed a level playing field being alone in this house after Katrina. When the police asked me to stop aiming at people walking the streets after curfew during our period of martial law, I did. But I also know that even if someone is in my home, and I shoot them and they die, it might be legal. But I'll never be freed from my own conscience. I haven't watched the news today, btw. I'm under doctor's orders to remain calm and I am out of valium.  But you all go for it, but I beg you, for the sake of our nation, for the good of all, please type carefully regarding racial matters, and I do agree that two certain networks go far overboard (one would be Left and the other Right) in creating sensationalism which I feel is irresponsible. It dirties up journalism--which once upon a time seemed to have a code of honor which I am finding more and more difficult to detect. (And thank you, Mike, I did sleep well, and yes, the book is yummy and has been on my "read before you die" list for a while.) Ciao. and *peace* I shall save my bloodlust for former mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, a profiteer of pain if I ever saw one... |
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Critics say the "Today" show attempted to incite racial anger when it cut crucial seconds from audio of a phone call placed by George Zimmerman just before he killed the teenager. In Interview With Piers Morgan, George Zimmerman's Brother Breaks Silence on Trayvon Martin Shooting (Video) In Trayvon Martin Case Developments, ABC Airs Police Footage, Spike Lee Apologizes, Parents Speak (Video) Russell Simmons Slams Geraldo Rivera's Apology in Trayvon Martin Controversy NBC News is being excoriated in some circles – with competitor Fox News Channel leading the charge – for selectively editing audio of the 911 call placed by George Zimmerman just before he killed Trayvon Martin. The NBC segment in question featured anchor Ron Allen and ran on the Today show on Tuesday. On Thursday, Sean Hannity and guest Brent Bozell played the NBC version of the 911 call and compared it with the unedited version. In the NBC segment, Zimmerman says: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.” The full version, though, unfolds like this: Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.” 911 operator: “Okay. And this guy, is he white black or Hispanic?” Zimmerman: “He looks black.” After playing both versions, Hannity said: “They forgot the dispatcher’s question! How could NBC, in good conscience, do that?” “This isn’t bias, this isn’t distortion, this is an all-out falsehood by NBC News,” answers Bozell, who runs a conservative watchdog group called the Media Research Center. [URL=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/trayvon-martin-nbc-news-editing-911-call-306359]http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/trayvon-martin-nbc-news-editing-911-call-306359[/UR L] So what's new...? |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
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. So if there's a riot and someone dies who is to blame? . |
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Whoever incited the riot. Take you pick....  |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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First, John's question, and pardon me if I don't do the quote thingie, I'm trying to get accustomed to yet another new keyboard. So I'll repeat what I just erased, and use my fishhook analogy. In a situation such as a riot, trying to find justice in the aftermath is a bit like trying to pick up one fishhook out of a pile of fishhooks. Although the situations are related and apparently interlocked, each one must be extricated and examined. An arduous task, to say the least. When and if it is possible to untangle such a mess, line those fishhooks up, can one really determine, which fishhook cut someone, which one was never even used, etc? Let's call this "due process". And due process is, I believed, defined by the state in which one resides. Mistakes might be made when due process is carried out, which is why we have The Supreme Court. But someone has to really want to find that bloodied fishhook, I think.  But you have to at least begin due process, and that is at the heart of the heartbreak in Florida. And Mike? Please know I'm kind of smiling, because when you began this thread, you said this was a ploy by the Democratic party to distract the nation's attention away from the economy, so knowing how much you abhor the Democratic Party and our commander in chief, I'm a bit puzzled as to why you are helping them by adding to the sensationalism? And in one post in particular, after we agree about the disintegration of that code of honor in journalism, your post did exactly what you were protesting. (I'm not angry, I'm just voicing my opinion, and even smiling over here. Know that I love you, and I'm not doing this to poke at you, or have fun, it's just my opinion.) You placed together a bunch of true statements, all taken out of context. I know you know that it is possible to take partial truth, and place them together in such a way that it presents a false impression. (False positives exist even in science, so I'm not accusing you of deliberately doing this, okay?) I just know that I've done it--we've all probably done it, but it doesn't clarify matters; it merely adds more smoke to the smokescreen. And hey, that sort of thing actually WORKS. In fact, elections are won that way. And lost. *grin* I've always said you and I are not so far apart in the ideological spectrum. Your fine state of Florida is fast gaining on my fine state of Louisiana in the questionable politics category. (Please don't be offended by my little joke, 'cause then I'll have to get offended that you got offended, and we'll be back to ignoring each other again.) Let's not do that, okay? No discourse, no progress. We were actually considering going to Disneyworld during next carnival season. But, um...naw. Exhale now. Florida is safe from The Traveling Muppet show for the time being. [off topic--please forgive my typos--I learned to type on a Selectra--and laptop typing is a whole nuther process.] Gotta run. I have to practice banging my drum. I'm not kidding. I want to be ready to join in a drum corp by Beltane. *smile* |
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I'm a bit puzzled as to why you are helping them by adding to the sensationalism? I'm a bit puzzled, too, by that comment. How am I helping them? How am I adding to the sensationalism? I think you overestimate my powers a bit. And in one post in particular, after we agree about the disintegration of that code of honor in journalism, your post did exactly what you were protesting. You placed together a bunch of true statements, all taken out of context. I'm afraid you would have to point that out to me where. I'm a little slow on weekends. Even if you can (which I don't see), comparing my drivel here to 2 or 3 people hardly compares to supposedly professional broadcasters doing it on the air to hundreds of thousands of listeners in an effort to misrepresent facts. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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I'm back--fresh out of the tub. (It's also a myth that a person can't smell themselves, now can I hear a collective "EW" from everybody? *chuckling*) It occurred to me while I was in there, that I'm probably among the most guilty of misrepresentation, because I'm impatient, I'm always in a hurry (which makes me wonder why I'm always late) but okay, I'll just point out a couple of misleading things that stood out for me--- "Critics" First word, kind of vague, but un-named sources are acceptable, but the "Spike Lee apologizes" thing was what made me smile the widest. Granted, Spike Lee apologizing IS news, but you didn't say what he was apologizing FOR... and I'm not a journalist either. I am too happy with tales of fancy, too emotional, far too fiery to ever be that cut and dried. And I'm not so good on weekends either. Or Mondays. Tuesdays are okay, depending. But serious, good journalism is hard work. I'm far too lazy. Now. I've got to put some bondo on my face, and walk to my friend's house before dark. I can't be too careful. We, too, have a neighborhood watch!  and But better them than me, I think you'll agree. I finally put the gun down. (Guns actually do something to one's psyche, methinks, and it has to do with that power corrupts thing. But that's a philosophical discussion.) *hugs* Now. I think I'll put some lotion on too. I am so ashy I look white. Maybe we'll talk later? I also have to do my hair. (I cut some bangs to go with my glasses, I look like a chubby, bloated Sarah Palin.) *giggling* Ciao for now and peace. Oh. One quick thing--people overestimate ME as well. I want to tell everybody that I do not hang out with Spike Lee--I don't write for Bill Maher--and Kathy Griffin doesn't call me. *beaming atchoo* She TEXTS. <--I am just JOKING.  |
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Aha...Iapologize. I mistakenly assumed that whatever souls followed this thread would also be following the news about the topic. Spike Lee gave out the address publicly of Zimmerman's house. Protestors went over en masse to hassle, picket and protest. Only problem was....he gave out the wrong address. The people living there had nothing to do with Zimmerman and were terrorized by the protestors. Spike Lee initially refused to apologize but, after quite a bit of publicity of his gaffe (and possibly the fact that lawsuits would almost certainly be forthcoming), he finally did. His actions were out of line. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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Sorry. According to CNN and other sources (grin) Mr. Lee did not give out George Zimmerman's address, which was a matter of public record, btw. (If you're in the phone book? Nod.) He tweeted the wrong address, and some other family endured the publicity--until Spike admitted his error, and apologized. Some day, assuming we all have time and inclination, we should discuss the fine lines between reporting, investigative journalism, and the blogging factor. It is indeed a new era, and with new technology charging forward, I think it's a worthy discussion, since the laws are mutating as I type. Great investigative journalism provokes the thought that can lead to justice. The flip side of that coin is that some people's lives are ruined, sometimes actually ENDED because their reputations have tried them in the press. As for Spike Lee? He's opinionated, but thought-provoking. He happens to have to endure the glare of publicity, so he utilizes it, but he will apologize when he is wrong. And no, I do not hang out with him, but he's a gentleman. I vouch for that, just as I would vouch for you, lovie.  Now. Back to the drum...you think the drumming might help with my mental block with iambic pentameter? I've tried everything else...sigh.  at I came back to add that we apparently agree on what exactly Spike Lee's error was...I must have misread, or was hasty, since I didn't see that part acknowledge prior to my post.I...apologize. |
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No problem....and forget iambic pentameter. No one writes like you....don't ever change |
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I had never given it much thought before but I thought everyone had the right, especially is right to carry States, to protect themselves if attacked and in fear for their life. It seems to me an unfair and unnecessary burden to place upon someone being attacked to try to think of someway to defend themselves without possibly inflicting mortal wounds upon the attacker. Who really has time to try to make those decisions when they are fighting for their life? |
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The problem I'm seeing with that "stand your ground" law is that it extends liberties of self-protection beyond what is reasonable self-defense. This law requires that aforementioned speculation--it encourages and even enhances character assassinations on BOTH sides. It's been made evident that it is difficult to prove or disprove--the law is a bad law, and is, in my humble opinion, flawed and should be revoked because it denies due process--and due process is the spine of civil rights. If the facts are that one man had a gun, and the dead boy had none, it's so blatantly a mismatch that this case is difficult to ignore. I am not saying that George Zimmerman is guilty either. But I will assert emphatically that due process was, for some reason, dropped. I think the family deserves an explanation to why, and if all of this...whatever we wish to call this--is ignored--then Florida goes on record, establishing precedent for license to kill. That said-- It's good to see you here, Denise. I was starting to get worried. I confess I woke with qualms about my inappropriate joking about such a painful situation. And as I stated previously, sometimes, justice is severe. (The two-edge sword.) I'll try to bow out gracefully, since it IS indeed in the hands of the State of Florida. But I feel compelled to remind all of what transpired on Danziger Bridge on ...one of the days (admittedly fooggy on the date, here) but I was proud that Louisiana prosecuted the police officers who shot first and asked no questions later. (A child was killed, as was a mentally handicapped adult man, and the woman trying to find refuge for those two in her care didn't even realize her hand was blown off until she followed the orders of the police to put her hands in the air.) I think that situation was a tougher call to do the right thing, since our police were not only outnumbered, they were emotionally distraught. I also applauded when the police officers who simply left, dismissing themselves off duty were pardoned. We're fighting a tough fight of corruption, not just in New Orleans, but throughout Louisiana. Again, I say, if tired fervor is possible, I have it--it might be called Shingles, come to think of it....but if tired fervor is a preferable term, that's what I feel. I tell this story only to underscore the fact that it's entirely possible to do the wrong thing, with right motivation, in a condition of duress. But DUE PROCESS must apply, even, maybe ESPECIALLY to our law enforcers. And sadly, I also admit, that I could not look into a camera and assert that I have the answers regarding Sanford, Florida. But I do have a lot of questions. I think Florida is beautiful, and I'd like it stay there, too. Florida makes my life a helluva lot easier. And please keep in mind that I'm typing from Jefferson Parish, not Orleans. (That's a few blocks away.) But it was a Jefferson Parish sheriff who beat Arizona on the racial profiling thing by years. Sheriff Harry Lee told the world he considered racial profiling "common sense" police work--and defended the accusations of him being racist by stating the he could not be racist--because he was Chinese.  Yeah, that's a bit, "WHAT?" The answers to Florida's latest riddle may never be found. Florida, if past proves a tendency, can and will take their time about ANYTHING. But if I were a citizen of Florida, I'd probably become a watchdog of the watchdogs. A bad reputation is so hard to live down... And yes ma'am. You're talking to one who knows. I'm delighted to see you, however sad the circumstances. Don't be so shy about popping in, okay? Love you much!  |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
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. http://www.courierpress.com/photos/2012/mar/30/110803/ I resent the manipulation. . |
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It's been made evident that it is difficult to prove or disprove--the law is a bad law, and is, in my humble opinion, flawed and should be revoked because it denies due process--and due process is the spine of civil rights. Is it a bad law or a law bad when used badly? If I am attacked by someone younger, stronger than I and my life is in danger, I don't want to have to worry about going to jail if I shoot him to save my life. The question in this case is....was it that way or not? If the kid were in fact on top of Zimmerman pounding his head into the ground, it was a valid act. If Zimmerman chased him and shot him, it wasn't. It's not the law that has the blame...it's the use or misuse of it. That is what an investigation needs to determine. You believe in an investigation and so do I, serenity gal. What I don't believe in, and I don't think you do, either, is vigilante justice based on "street justice", whatever that is. Nor do I believe is putting bounties on someone's head who has not been charged with a crime. Nor do I believe in inciting to riot for personal gain. John, get used to it. You have the press showing thew worst possible pics of Zimmerman possible and pics of the kid from when he was 13....standard manipulation for them. |
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The Trayvon Martin case has exposed some of the media's worst tendencies--selective editing, rushing to judgment, stoking anger for ratings and page views--and it's taken more than fake photos, the incendiary stumbles of Geraldo Rivera and Spike Lee and verbal clashes between Piers Morgan and Toure to shine a light on them. NBC told the Washington Post that it has launched an internal investigation of the "Today" show's editorial process after its morning show aired an edited conversation between George Zimmerman and a 911 dispatcher recorded moments before the shooting. The investigation came after Fox News and others pointed out that the network spliced two parts of the call together, making it appear as if Zimmerman had said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black." http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-case-exposes-worst-media-210020839.html |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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Excellent. I'm bad at journalism, but the people who think they are should be held up to a higher standard that doesn't apply to the average joe blogger. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
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. Anyone think the editing was inadvertent? . |
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NBC says it is investigating to see how that happened. In other words, they are doing damage control, trying to determine which excuse would be as lenient on them as possible. This is not a first for network news. There have been other such incidents. |
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Hey Karen, love you too! I'm here almost every day...just don't talk as much as I used to. |
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A 78 year-old man said a group of youths beat him in Toledo on his way home from a gas station on Sunday. The Toledo Blade reported, via Free Republic: Mr. Watts said one of the boys delivered a single blow to the back of his head during the incident Saturday, knocking the victim to the ground. At one point, the victim recalled being lifted from the ground so one of the boys could “drop-kick” him in the chest. One boy, he said, put his foot on the back of the victim’s neck, with another shouting, “Kill him.” While Mr. Watts was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, “[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon … Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man],” according to a police report. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/it-begins-youths-screaming-this-is-for-trayvon-beat-78-year-old-white-man-in-toledo/ ** If Obama had a son, the boy could be like the youths that did the beating ** |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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And I was raped. On numerous occasions. Skin-color was not the common denominator--the fact that my assailants had a penis WAS... Now what was your point? And how is any of this helping ANYONE, heal? |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/justice/louisiana-danziger-bridge-case/?hpt=hp_t3 I'm not dancing. It's just a huge fish-hook... |
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My point? This is one by-product of the Treyvon race-baiting agitation....there will be others. Obama said treyvon could have been his son....obviously referring to the same race. Obama could also have been related to the perpetrators of this example, if we follow his same criteria....so what was HIS point? |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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I can't and won't be deflected now. I really, really, REALY want former mayor Ray Nagin to see the same justice applied to him--this is a man who actually laughed about calling himself a "Disaster Consultant" as he laughed it up, pocketing even MORE money on the Jon Stewart Show. Mike? I think we tend to lean into likewise curves...help me.  |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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Or? You just take Fla. ?And what's the problem with a President saying that someone could be his son? The only problem I've seen is that I've never heard a Pres saying: "This could be my DAUGHTER." We've got a long way to go. |
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I'm certainly on your side about Nagin. His actions during Katrina were deplorable and I found it amazing that he got re-elected. THAT is scary. I hope he gets everything he deserves but I won't hold my breath. |
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Obama made reference to the fact that he could be his son, referring to race. THAT"S what makes it wrong. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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I'm still shrugging. Presidents generally make statements referring to their sons (and occasionally daughters)--racism is iferred, not implied. ? ? ? We've really got to get it together. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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and I'm grinning here, beeeeeeeeeeeeee-cuz, I got more right to be pist than you.  |
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LOL! And I'm grinnin' because you have a reason to have that right! |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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"What we learned in this trial -- what we learned in these convictions -- is that the Constitution never takes a holiday. The Constitution applies every day of every week, and no police officer can take it upon himself or herself to suspend the Constitution." Thomas Perez I'd like to add, that no citizen should be given more rights than what applied to police officers under stress in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, La. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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I love you Mike. It's just that life has a way of showin' ya, what you once said you could never understand. (a quote from the unwritten book of cautionary tales) by Karen B. |
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Nope, the constitution never takes a holiday. I just wish people didn't take a holiday from the constitution. That book of cautionary tales is quite a book |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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I really wish that constitution was taught in schools. I'm laughing, but it's sad, 'cause you know what? Most folks I know who know their rights had them taken away..." so sad...I'm making some tea. Want some? |
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Of course! I always love tea parties..  |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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If you didn't love me at all, you'll like me a little--I have rooibos with vanilla (no pears tho )There's something about the pears that adds that little Nick Cage mystery to ...um, come to think of it? We're probably better imagining it. (I've seen him--he needs more make up and financial advice than I do) Oh wah..now look what I've done! Nod...rooibos and vanilla it is. *noms* |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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I'm not making tea. This keyboard has been tickinh me off since...um, two weeks ago? Tell me, why oh why if I was taught by Windows 6 to be a lazy assn and lean all over the keys, why NOW, eh? why? I've looked through all the previous windows and nada-fork-in-thing... But now I hit the space bar and I am totally throttled....pardon my rambling. Y'like a little sugah in yer tea? |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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Really. Kindly. I'D LIKE EVERYBODY TO STOP EXPLETIVE IMPROVING EVERY EXPLETIVE THING. Now...y'want a cinnamon straw, some lemon? |
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A producer for NBC News has been fired for editing a recording of George Zimmerman's call to police the night he fatally shot Trayvon Martin. The New York Times is reporting that "the person was fired on Thursday, according to two people with direct knowledge of the disciplinary action who declined to be identified discussing internal company matters." The dismissal of the Miami-based producer, whose name has not been publicized, followed an internal investigation by NBC, which led to the network apologizing earlier this week for having aired the deceptive audio. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/nbc-fires-producer-over-edited-zimmerman-911-call-201124740.html |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
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. So NBC realized someone was too stupid . . . Good for them. . |
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Actually, NBC found out that somebody WASN'T stupid....the people who caught them. |
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