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Democrats skip out on Countrywide vote By: David Freddoso Commentary Staff Writer 10/15/09 10:23 PM PDT Faced with a promised vote to subpoena documents on Countrywide Financial's "Friends of Angelo" program, Democrats on the House Oversight Committee fled a scheduled 2 p.m. markup today. Rep. Darrell Issa of California, the Ranking Republican on the Oversight Committee, had promised to call for a vote at today's markup on whether to subpoena documents involved in the program that gave sweetheart mortgages to at least four Democratic government officials, including two senators. According to the Wall Street Journal, the program might have also benefitted the chairman of House Oversight, Rep. Edolphus Towns, D-N.Y. Even if it had been ruled out of Order, Issa's motion would have received a vote. The committee's Democrats simply failed to appear. Republican staffers say they caught them on tape leaving by a back door at 2:35. http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Democrats-skip-out-on-Countrywide-vote-64434312.html Watch the video and see Democrats acting like little children. Be proud, Liberals, of this body that pledged to clean up Washington. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvHWZvL3aRk |
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2010 can't come soon enough. |
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The documents need to be subpoenaed and the investigation needs to be pressed aggressively. There should be no more slack, from my point of view, for Democrats than there is for Republicans around this sort of stuff. If I had my way, because I'm a Democrat, I'd rather there were a bit less, though I supposed that's being silly. I still feel that way, though. |
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While I'm generally of the opinion that justice delayed is justice denied I think the Republicans have gone a bit over the top on this. The Elephants have their own website up for this committee http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage& Itemid=1 but completely ignore the official committee website; http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=2638 quote: While I'm all in favor of investigations proceeding and subpoenas being served -- I think there is some Kindergartenish behavior here -- but it lies with those who forgot to represent what really happened on October 15. A better source for discussion of the issue might have been the WSJ: quote: |
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Ahhh! |
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LR, you didn't bother copying the next paragraph.. Still, Mr. Issa tells us that he has all Republican members of the committee ready to vote for a subpoena. The aim is to find out the extent and impact of Countrywide's efforts to influence federal housing policy. This goes to the heart of the financial crisis. Countrywide was the largest originator of subprime loans and provided billions of dollars of mortgages to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, at huge cost to taxpayers. SO what does all of this have to do with the Democrats sneaking out of the back door when the vote was due to come up? Was the vote postponed before or after they made their escape....and what does "a date to be determined" mean to you. WOuld you care to hold your breath for that long? |
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Bob K Member Elite
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Dear Mike, I don't want anybody to get away with anything either. I am, however, frankly shocked to see you upset about partial references, or incomplete references, or references with any hint of impropriety about them at all. I am imagining some sort of celestial conversion experience that must have hit you like a two by four, so that we may now expect similar care in your own work. I can hardly contain my excitement! Ecstatically yours, Bob Kaven |
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Bob, would you repeat that in English, please? |
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By the way, Bob, insults - even when eloquently phrased - do not change either the facts or the subject. You were much more honest in your first post on this thread.. By the way again, you don't know me well enough to know when I'm upset so please don't make yourself look silly by trying to declare when I am. I can point things out without being upset by them....can't you? |
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Dear Mike, I was still honest. I agree with you about the subject. I do find it funny that you're upset with somebody else for quoting out of context. I guess I'm actually happy that you noticed. I don't think that Democratic violations of ethics are better than Republican violations of ethics; and, as I said above, I think they're a bit worse because I have higher expectations for the Democrats. L.R. suggests there may be more to the story, and I'm interested in finding out about that as well, but I don't believe that Democrats of inherently less corruptible. That would be a pretty silly assumption to make, just as the reverse is a silly assumption to make. The Republicans have had the keys to the treasury for a long time, that's all. It would be very good if the Democrats were sharp about their own ethics violations. That would be a good habit to get into. And you noticing the out of context stuff has a good side as well. If you practice noticing it with us — and you really should — then you'll be more careful with your own. And it doesn't hurt there, either. I'm sorry if I hit any sore places, though. Yours, Bob Kaven |
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I see upset conveyed in vocabulary choices, Mike. They particularly come across in terms of verb use. Verb use and noun choice convey attitude and emotion. For me to say this to a fellow writer should be completely unnecessary. If it's a matter of spontaneous writing — first draft — then it's generally not a particularly conscious word choice, which is why we often choose to revise. Even so, the conscious choice of a word is a communication. Please don't tell me that you actually believe that you can communicate with me and not communicate at the same time. Can't be done. If you choose to write, you choose to communicate, and that includes feelings and attitudes. You certainly can't assume that I've insulted you with one breath and then claim that I don't understand that your feelings have been hurt with another; either both of us can communicate in writing with a certain degree of accuracy or neither of us can. To suggest you have powers of comprehension that I don't is downright silly. Sincerely, Bob Kaven |
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I do find it funny that you're upset with somebody else for quoting out of context. Once again, Bob, you are demonstrating some kind of clairvoyance or undetected super powers to be able to determine when I am upset. Whenever I am, I'll let you know...and there will be little doubt about it. Challenging some one's response does not mean the person has to be upset to do it. Yes, I can picture you picturing me banging furiously on the computer keys, red-faced, eyes bulged out, screaming obscenities in the air....sorry to burst that bubble, Bob. I added to LR's quote another paragraph which he didn't bother using. He did, however, provide the link which allowed me to read the entire thing. I do the same. Whether you agree or not on how I quote sources, the link is always there so you can see the entire thing for yourself. I don't see a problem with that. If you read the source and add a portion that I left out, that's fine....and I won't even call you being upset with me by doing it.  |
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and then claim that I don't understand that your feelings have been hurt That's the point, Bob. My feelings haven't been hurt outside of your imagination. Anyway, that's enough of staying away from the actual topic or replies. Time to move on..... |
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Arrrrgh!  You FOUND that paragraph! I was hoping you wouldn't see it! That's why I bothered to cite the article and bring it to everyone's attention! I was hoping to avoid discussing it! But, seriously. um..... I found a credible conservative source for the issue -- and -- I still get a complaint? Mike -- maybe we shouldn't do this until you get better. I saw my father get extremely paranoid on a PCA drip -- it's the nature of the drug my friend. Hope you'll be better soon. |
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Bob K Member Elite
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quote: Your imagination lives up to some of your most wonderful cartoons, Mike, but no, I hadn't gotten that specific. I don't know what you look like when you're upset, but you make yourself sound like Yosemite Sam, which, when you think of it, is pretty wonderful. I wish I could look like Yosemite Sam when I got upset. I'm afraid I look more like Donald or Daffy Duck — probably daffy, because I will occasionally go off in explosions of feathers, especially when I eat dynamite. It is certainly not pretty at all. I wish I could shout Varmint! and wave blazing six-guns around harmlessly and turn beet color and pound at the key-board all at the same time. Yosemite Mike, doesn't sound all that bad, does it? Daffy Bob? Ha! |
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Bob K Member Elite
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Dear L.R., So much for reading Poe. Hiding things out in the open like that needs to be even more blatant. I find actually printing it in the text means it'll be overlooked or misread. Footnotes — not so much. Sincerely, Bob Kaven |
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You're right, gentlemen. Maybe I should take some time off and just read Beck's latest book. The title suggests it will remind me of posting here without actually doing it |
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Bob K Member Elite
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Gotta be careful, there, Mike. Too much of that stuff and they'll pull you over. If they find all those copies of Beck's latest in the back seat, it's DWI city for sure, no matter how sympathetic the officers may be. Maybe just one, Mike, but only a little at a time, and not while you're driving. |
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I assume that's Driving While Inspired, Bob?  |
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Bob K Member Elite
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Thank you, Mike. I forget that you have that fresh and quirky sense of humor that breaks through at the most endearing times. Of which that was one. |
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