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LoveBug
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since 2000-01-08
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3.09 for gas??? AHHHHHHHH!! Where's those oil reserves! ALL PEOPLE should donate money to me, so I can drive!! I am, OF COURSE, joking. Please donate to our friends in need in the south. But yeah... gas prices suck! :P Love's a lovely lad |
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Cloud 9 Senior Member
since 2004-11-05
Posts 980Ca |
California in the Bay Area Cheapest 2.87 Most exp.....3.57 That regular |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
I'm just lucky that I live in a very walker-friendly city! (sad sigh) I haven't driven a hundredth of a mile since moving to Portland, Oregon. I just walk all around the city, and that and my four-year running vegetarian lifestyle has made me lose significant weight. With that said, being distanced from driving, I guess I cannot fully understand the panic too many are feeling right now, but I do know, obviously, it's crazy. I believe we have to begin breaking away from our absolute dependence on natural reserves as soon as possible; we need to start going in the direction of alternative fuel research that Europe is, which New Mexico right now is making a jump-start effort toward solar power, hoping to lead the new energy revolution. Of course, that's only part of the solution, and with the way relations between Venezuela are very tough right now and with the skirmishes in the Middle East signaling uncertainty in the future of many oil fields, that won't help dramatically lower these prices in the immediate future. Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Gas prices are going to rise since so many refineries were damaged, and those that weren't are still trying to come back online. Oil by itself won't do a thing to benefit your gas tank. Quite the opposite in fact. It still needs to be refined, and there's been a ban on new refineries since the early 1970's. Those left untouched by Katrina's path have been working at 98% (the max allowed for safety) for months on end. |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
A headline you will not read in tomorrow's paper: Oil Companies Pledge Windfall Profits to aid Katrina Refugees Gasoline still costs the same amount of money to produce. Oil still costs the same amount to pump out of the ground. Merely because supply logistics are challenged doesn't change the cost structure -- it merely effects availability... Remember crude prices are set by speculators in a free market very similar to the way stock prices are... the people who have the oil, refineries, and money... are making a lot more money. |
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LoveBug
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since 2000-01-08
Posts 4697 |
Yeah.. I live off campus now, and unfortunatly our city is hard to walk in. There's basically nothing but gas stations within walking distance of me, let alone my campus! blah.. Love's a lovely lad |
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Greeneyes 
since 2000-09-09
Posts 9903In Your Poetic Mind |
2.99 in parts of the midwest.... In parts of GA 5.06 and higher.....  |
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LoveBug
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since 2000-01-08
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Bad times for all  |
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Sunshine
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since 1999-06-25
Posts 63354Listening to every heart |
Won't go into extreme details, but spoke to one who markets the market... who was "upset" by a client who called in at midnight on Sunday night "trying to capitalize" on nature. I'm sorry. Didn't someone kick over the tables and kick out the moneychangers? |
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Sunshine
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since 1999-06-25
Posts 63354Listening to every heart |
Erica? $3.15 here. |
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ice Member Elite
since 2003-05-17
Posts 3404Pennsylvania |
Yesterday....local EXXON------- $3.22 This morning 8am same Exxon---- $3.25 Tonight 5pm same Exxon-------- $3.29 Diesel....$2.99 Something amazing happened today.....I agreed with O'Reily.....sheesh! I never thought I would say that.....but what he said was, was that the oil companys should cut their profits by 20%....profits, that is not their gross.. "For the good of the country" The rebuttal "from the Cato group" was that "that would cause long lines at the pump" Nothing was said about how much that would lower the price... -----------ice ><> |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
Reb, you had me until you said: "Merely because supply logistics are challenged doesn't change the cost structure -- it merely effects availability..." Working in an industry where shipping is a major portion of the price, I have seen logistical challenges drive up costs across the board. With the major import/export coastal port in the country down and out and all incoming shipments being re-routed, you can only expect an increase in price from that arena. If you, as a shipper, are diverted hundreds of miles out of your contracted route, you are rightly going to charge extra. Your customer is, in turn, going to charge extra and so on down the line until it eventually comes out of the bottom-line consumer's pocket (with a few markups thrown in along the way down, of course). That being said, I argee. If priecs would have held for even a week or so, I would have been less inclined to stare down a scrunched up nose at the big, bad oil-mongers. The fact that prices started hiking as soon as Katrina made landfall just upsets my stomach. I can understand raising prices when your product is costing more. What I can't accept, is raising prices because you know your next shipment is going to cost more; the gas all these gasoline shops had in the ground already didn't cost them a cent more to pump, but that didn't stop them from hiking up prices. It's legal, sure, but there's a certain degree of greedy immorality there that...yeah, grrr. |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
Ah.. but... shipping ISN'T a major part of the price of gasoline... I'm actually in logistics now -- I agree it is always a cost -- in fact -- I've been in some buisinesses where distribution was 70% of the cost... but that included marketing, sales, and advertising, which were considered to be 'distribution' costs (don't ax why) It doesn't cost that much to distribute gas -- word has it -- most of the major players actually own the retail outlets too... and are putting the squeeze on the independents.  (being in logistics now.. I should add.. my variable costs have gone up 200% over the last 10 weeks -- ergo -- I won't be in logistics much longer without passing that cost on to my customers -- how much will that cost actually add to their structure though? Right now they're getting about 15k worth of product moved for about ten bucks.... after I add my variable costs it will be about 12, unless I mark up my new costs -- which I'm not going to do -- I'm just passing it on as a surcharge -- which is what the oil companies should do) |
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Sunshine
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since 1999-06-25
Posts 63354Listening to every heart |
Ice: quote: They forget that we already know lines? Oh.... They were talking to the young'uns.... Sigh. It just all gets more and more ridiculous. We've already seen here that the few of us could make WAVES in solutions...without votes, without grudge...just DO...or don't do, just pray...or if don't pray, just KNOW...and put in one's two cents of advice. Ron? Sometimes I think you've started an underground [albeit above ground] major force de jour Adults? Kids? all you Inbetweens? I am so DANG proud of all of you for pulling together as a UNIT of thought/kindness/practicality and pragmatism/ and in addition to that? Just keep being YOU. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
It will be interesting to see what impact it has on the value of houses an hour or more one way from the places where the owners have to work. |
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Susan Caldwell Member Rara Avis
since 2002-12-27
Posts 8348Florida |
Jeb, Bush that is, (Florida) was on TV last night and uttered these words: "We have enough gas to last the holiday weekend." What?!?!? He says we are hoping to get more before we run out. *looks to see how much leave time she has because she isn't walking 34 miles one way to work* |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
must read info... http://reid.senate.gov/gasprices.cfm A detailed analysis of the oil industry, gas prices, and record profits. quote: |
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LoveBug
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since 2000-01-08
Posts 4697 |
Run out? I'll be damned if I'm walking 5 miles uphill to class. I'd just have to drop out, lol!  But gas prices WENT DOWN HERE TODAY! I was at the PUMP and the lady (the angelic, kind, blessed lady!) came out and told me if I waited 5 minutes that the gas prices were coming down by 20 cents.. So, I can say (SO FAR!) that I haven't paid over 3 dollars for gas. I paid 2.89. Still A LOT, but A LOT less than I thought. Glad I don't have an SUV. Bwah! Love's a lovely lad His bringing up is beauty Who loves him not is mad For I must pay him duty -Anonymous |
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Mysteria
since 2001-03-07
Posts 18328British Columbia, Canada |
$4.542 a gallon here in British Columbia this morning and rising. |
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LoveBug
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since 2000-01-08
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Those taxes up there!! Who says Canadian healthcare is free! :P You pay every time you fill your tank :P My BF is in Toronto, we have these lovely exchanges all the time I kid because I love Love's a lovely lad |
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littlewing Member Rara Avis
since 2003-03-02
Posts 9655New York |
New York State, gotta love those taxes. $3.59 MOST expensive I have seen |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
When higher prices are put on things that are unhealthy I don't complain. |
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Mysteria
since 2001-03-07
Posts 18328British Columbia, Canada |
Yuck! $4.77 a gal or $1.26 a litre |
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Midnitesun
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
So what if at the pump, the price tag showed you in real numbers #lives destroyed/ per gallon what price would you be willing to pay? Hm? just wondering where we will go with this...what exactly IS the REAL price of gas????? |
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ice Member Elite
since 2003-05-17
Posts 3404Pennsylvania |
"So what if at the pump, the price tag showed you in real numbers #lives destroyed/ per gallon" Ah! but Kacy, what you are speaking of are off paper costs and values...I don't think any large corporation, Government body, or Ag business in this nation considers those as real costs either, simply because they don't have to pay them directly...They understand only numbers and bottom lines...The cost of a person dieing from what they spew into the environment is not on their books, neither is the price of topsoil running off a 1000 acre cornfield on some factory farm in Iowa ,or the poisoned water that courses from some pig factory that is there, or in any other state. The "real numbers" will never be shown, that would put faith in their God in jeopardy.. ------------ice ><> |
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