Open Poetry #18 |
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A Message To All |
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strbbux Member Elite
since 2001-12-19
Posts 3859![]() |
Dear Friends, please be sure to copywrite all your poetry.. I am in tears, I have recieved an email and I have been accused of plagiarism from someone who read my poem on another board. I wrote that poem every single word myself. and I posted it the same day I wrote it right here on this board. here is my poem, and I am being accused of plagiarism. I don't know how something like this could happen or how to even defend myself...please copywrite all your work...so this doesn't happen to you.. floria Daydreams As I walk along the sandy shores, My thoughts are all of you. Of the times we spent together, And the things we used to do. Then I hear a susurration, As the waves slowly move on the shore. And I wish that once again, Things could be as they were before. The soft murmuring sounds I hear, They seem like sweet words so clear, As if you are saying "I love you" With your cheek pressed against my ear. Then the cold water catches my legs, And I feel the iciness of the waves. I awake from my daydream and realize, That I've just been walking in a daze. If this daydream could come true, It would be my fondest desire. That forever you and I could be one, And our love again be on fire. Floria |
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Irish Rose Member Patricius
since 2000-04-06
Posts 10263 |
Knowing what i know of you I am hurt by this for you also. I just thought that once it was "online" it says copyright and that means it is! Isn't this ridiculous, you know this makes me so angry, it's getting so a person can't do anything anymore without having someone accuse them of stealing their words! I'm sorry this happened to you Floria, and I hope someone can suggest something that maybe we all need to do to prevent this in the future? Kathleen--(Kay) |
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doreen peri Member Elite
since 1999-05-25
Posts 3812Virginia |
it's a really good poem, floria! i'm so sorry to hear this has happened to you... as far as copyright, you say you posted it on this board the day you created it? that is your proof right there... the software documents date of posting if you want to document the time, you can just edit the poem and the time is also documented in the edit line . i hope this helps |
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Silver Streak Member Elite
since 2002-01-02
Posts 3625FL, USA |
floria, I am not an attorney but as I recall regardless of what you write on your poem, the owner in court will always be the first person to show proof that it was published somewhere, at the earliest day, as I believe that the copyright law allows back filing. So a dated printout or a computer date should suffice. Even the computer date on your hard drive is strong evidence, or records of an ISP from a backup. Putting a written copyright on it I believe is a courtesy warning to others that copyrighting is a crime. Do you have an attorney friend? You can also research this on the internet. You are in my prayers. -newell Sharing God's Love through perfectlovepoetry.com Copyright: 2002 Newell Elsworth Usher [This message has been edited by Silver Streak (02-08-2002 10:08 AM).] |
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SEA![]() ![]()
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Member Seraphic
since 2000-01-18
Posts 22676with you |
I'm so sorry this has happened to you.... and it is a beautiful poem....you should check with Kit or Ron they are so good at this stuff......*hugs* to you.... [This message has been edited by SEA (02-08-2002 10:04 AM).] |
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vandana![]()
since 1999-10-22
Posts 10463USA |
Iam sorry to hear about this.Sorry,my friend,but I do really enjoy reading your poems. ![]() |
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strbbux Member Elite
since 2001-12-19
Posts 3859 |
THANK YOU ALL, IF I DONT REPLY IT IS BECAUSE I AM BUSY TRYING TO PROVE THIS IS MINE. I SO APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HELP, AND I HAVE COPIED AND PASTED THE FIRST TIME I POSTED IT HERE, WITH THE DATE, SO I AM HOPING THAT HELPS. I DONT CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT THE POEM ITSELF BUT THE ACCUSATION REALLY UPSETS ME. THANKS TO ALL MY DEAR FRIENDS HERE, I WILL COME BACK AND CONTINUE TO READ YOUR REPLIES, BUT I WONT REPLY UNTIL I FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT OTHER BOARD.. FLORIA |
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Seymour Tabin Member Empyrean
since 1999-07-07
Posts 31720Tamarac Fla |
Floria, Not to worry the above advice is good. Beautiful poem. |
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Bill Charles Member Patricius
since 2000-07-11
Posts 10619highways, & byways, for now |
strbbux - I've often wondered about this myself. I went to another site to read some, and found some of my writing in someone else's poem. Not good. I pray that you get this straightened out. And let us know what happens... BC |
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Startime Member Ascendant
since 2000-10-03
Posts 5918Canada |
Oh my..I am so sorry to hear about this...your work is so uniquely yours that I can't imagine anyone accusing you of stealing their work....Take advantage of all the advice given and know you have my support and the love and support of so many here at Passions. **big big hugs** Love I leave with you whether it is in your life now or yet the essense of your dreams. |
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Elizabeth![]() ![]()
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Member Ascendant
since 1999-06-07
Posts 6871Minnesota |
I read your notice, Floria, and I sure know how you feel! Once when I discovered someone had taken one of my poems (it happened to be the first one I had ever written) and I contacted the webmmaster of the site, she was unsure of which one of us to believe and in turn contacted Ron. Anyway, we all believe you here! I have only read parts of your poem above, but I just wanted to say this right away. I'll come back and reply to the poem itself later. ![]() God bless America, my home sweet home. |
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Victoria![]()
since 2000-08-12
Posts 5869 |
i wouldnt worry about it if i was you..obviously the person does not know what they are talking about..they are just a trouble maker..with nothing else better to do.. hugs ~Vic |
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Elizabeth![]() ![]()
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Member Ascendant
since 1999-06-07
Posts 6871Minnesota |
Back to say that I liked the poem. The ocean was a good way to keep up the imagery throughout the verses. Good work Floria, and good luck on the plagiarism issue. As I said, we all are behind you on this one! ![]() God bless America, my home sweet home. |
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strbbux Member Elite
since 2001-12-19
Posts 3859 |
ELIZABETH, PLEASE TAKE NOTE,, YOU ARE ALSO ON THAT SITE WITH ME, NAN,, SHE IS ACCUSING ME OF PLAGIARISM, I AM ANGRY AT HER FOR BELIEVING THE PERSON WHO WROTE HER AND NOT BELIEVING ME. YOU KNOW HER ELIZABETH, AND I WROTE EVERY WORD OF THIS POEM. I DONT CARE ABOUT THE POEM. I CAN WRITE OTHERS, I CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT BEING ACCUSED OF SOMETHING I DID'T DO AND OF HAVING MY WORK STOLEN..THANKS LIZ FOR REPLYING...FLORIA |
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Poet deVine
Administrator
Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
Contact the owner of the board where it was first placed, the owner should provide proof that you posted it at that time. However, the accuser could still come back and claim to have written it BEFORE it was posted. Are they threatening to sue? Ask them for proof that THEY had it copyrighted. That may stop them in their tracks. And we have some very good threads in the Alley about plagarism...check them out. |
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Elizabeth![]() ![]()
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Member Ascendant
since 1999-06-07
Posts 6871Minnesota |
Floria, will you email me the url so I can find this place (perhaps den of iniquity woule be a more accurate term?) and see what all is going on there? Thanks for the notice. God bless America, my home sweet home. |
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Marsha![]()
since 2000-07-10
Posts 7423Maidstone Kent England |
Floria darling girl you know that there’s nothing anyone can say here, I simply cannot understand some people, it’s about time they engage the brain before they open their mouths. You will be okay I know it I. If you need me email me darling girl Do I love this poem? Yes, it is superb, and you are wonderful utterly utterly wonderful ![]() ![]() ![]() Love and warm stuff As always Mushy ![]() ![]() To give light to them that sit in darkness..... to guide our feet into the way of peace St John ch2 v1 |
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catalinamoon![]()
since 2000-06-03
Posts 9543The Shores of Alone |
Well, this is so awful, isn't it. I mean, we get joy from our writing, there is no earthly reason we would steal someone elses poem. Often a line in someones poem my be the same as someone elses, just because another poet may think of it. Once in awhile I worry that I may write something that someone else has said,cause how many ways can you descrbe love and life? But I would never take someones work as my own, and I know you wouldn't either. Geez, its not like we are getting paid to write these poems, we do it for the love of it. So whoever is accusing you is wrong. Try not to let it get to you. By the way it is a lovely poem. Sandra |
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Madame Chipmunk Member Rara Avis
since 2001-12-05
Posts 8296Michigan |
Floria...this poem is exquisite. I am so sorry that anyone has accused you of plaigerism...Knowing you, I know that you would never do anything like that. I think that what might have happened is that someone plaigerized parts of your poem, and then you got blamed for it because someone thought that the other person was the original writer. ![]() and that you plaigerized it from them. You are very right about copyrighting our poetry. Everyone should make sure that they do it. Thanks for the warning and for sharing this beautiful poem with us, Floria. copyright2002 Lyra Nesius |
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Greeneyes![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
since 2000-09-09
Posts 9903In Your Poetic Mind |
do you post under a different name there??? which site is it so I will be sure not to go there and post....sadly people accuse before finding out the truth....I am sorry this happened....there is NOTHING like being accused of something you didnt do.... I think the above is most beautiful....be well...PEACE it will all work out, and if you know the truth which you do and we here do...then....thats all that really matters... Lauren~ Step through the barrier of my mind, enter my soul, feel my desire, let my eyes guide you into the shadows of my heart [This message has been edited by Greeneyes (02-08-2002 12:01 PM).] |
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Mistletoe Angel![]() ![]() ![]()
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
![]() (BIG HUGGGSSSSSS) Oh dear, how dreadful, my heart goes out to you, for I can understand you've afflicted so much pain from this! (kiss on cheek) We all believe you so much, for your words are always so sincere and beautiful and if this happens again, we'll all help you get down to the bottom of this and help you! All our thoughts are with you, sweet friend! (EXTRA BIG HUGS) Love, Noah Eaton |
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Opeth Senior Member
since 2001-12-13
Posts 1543The Ravines |
Sorry to hear that, Floria ![]() Thanks for the advice. |
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strbbux Member Elite
since 2001-12-19
Posts 3859 |
I AM SO OVERWHELMED BY ALL THE CONCERN AND LOVE ON THIS BOARD. THIS IS SURELY AN EXCEPTIONAL SITE ON THE INTENET AND YOU MY FRIENDS TURN MY TEARS OF SADNESS INTO JOY. I AM WORKING ON IT AND MAKING PROGRESS.. I WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW THE RESULTS, AND PLEASE COPYWRITE YOUR WORK.IT IS A BAD FEELING TO BE ACCUSED WRONGLY...LOVE YOU ALL, EVERY ONE OF YOU....FLORIA |
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Charisma![]() ![]() ![]()
since 2000-09-30
Posts 5906lost in blue pages |
why would people do this.....a poem is so special and always a piece from the writer. it's sad that people doing such a bad thing. Wish you strength and pray that the truth will win. ((hugs)) Charisma |
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Midnitesun![]()
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
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Hypnosis Member
since 2001-12-02
Posts 325CO |
Oh Floria I am so sorry to hear about this. Copyrighting is definately something everyone needs to do when they post a poem. It looks as if you have the proper evidence that can prove that it was your own creation. Anyway, I don't believe that you would even think about plagarizing anyone, it is such a stupid idea. Thank you Floria for reminding us to do this, it is very important. Again, I am sorry this has happened to you, and i hope everything gets straightened out soon! Randy Meador a life lived unexplored is a life not worth living. |
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Dee Member Elite
since 2000-08-19
Posts 2330Queensland, Australia |
I am so sorry to see this Floria. It would be awful to be accused of something like this. I hope you sort it out soon. I believe that our work here is already copyright. It says at the bottom of the post that it is. But this is not going to stop someone stealing it. The unscrupulous won't be stopped like that, nor will the stupid who think they won't be caught. I keep all my poems in my private library so at any time I can prove exactly when I posted them here. I too would like to know where this site is. Just to check on it now and then. Once again, I hope this is sorted out soon. Dee I wish you every happiness and may you always have the best of the good things in life. a brand |
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strbbux Member Elite
since 2001-12-19
Posts 3859 |
THANK YOU EVERYONE, I HAVE YET TO RESOLVE THIS, I BELIEVE SOMEONE STOLE THE POEM FROM ME AND PUT THEIR NAME ON IT AND THEN ANOTHER PERSON READ IT AND SAW ANOTHER OF THE SAME WITH MY NAME AND OH WELL, YOU GUESS RIGHT. I AM THE ONE ACCUSED OF INFRINGING..NEVER DID THAT GUYS, EVERY SINGLE DOT ON THE PAGE IS MINE...THANKS FOR SUPPORT, THE PERSON THAT HAS ACCUSED ME, WROTE AN EMAIL TO ANOTHER BOARD WHERE I POST, THE PERSON ACUSSING ME HAS STILL NOT RESPONDED, SO IT IS NOT THE BOARD ITSELF BUT THE PERSON WHO READ MY POEM ON THE SITE.. THE SITE IS (POETRYCORNER.COM )AND MY "DAYDREAMS: IS UNDER ROMANCE POETRY.. BUT THAT IS JUST THE SITE,,, SOMEONE WHO READ IT, EMAILED THE WEBMISTRESS AND I WAS ACCUSED AND TOLD MY POETRY WOULD BE PULLED. WELL GUESS WHAT, I AM PULLING MYSELF OFF THAT SITE AS SOON AS I RESOLVE THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE NAN THE WEBMISTRESS WILL NOT BELIEVE ME...GGGGRRRRRRRRRRRR....THANKS EVERYONE, I AM BUSY WITH THIS, I WILL BE BACK SOON..LOVE YOU GUYS.. FLORIA |
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Enchantress Member Empyrean
since 2001-08-14
Posts 35113Canada eh. |
Floria, you are such a kind and loving individual, I know you wouldn't even think of doing such a thing. I feel so bad for you sweetie. It is a beautiful poem as well. ~Hugs for better days, Nancy~ ~Time has cast a spell on you, |
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strbbux Member Elite
since 2001-12-19
Posts 3859 |
Thanks Nancy and everyone, It is not over, I have found the accuser and have emailed her and asked for proof, I have asked her to email me a copy of the poem with the copywrite under it and somone elses signature and as of now, I still have not heard from her...this is a mess....see, that person could copywrite my poem, with her name, and then sue me for stealing her poem, which is really mine...oh gosh. confusing isnt it...I will let you all know. thanks. floria Floria |
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JamesMichael Member Empyrean
since 1999-11-16
Posts 33336Kapolei, Hawaii, USA |
Enjoyed your poem Floria...James |
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Corinne Member Ascendant
since 1999-10-28
Posts 5167state of confusion |
One precaution you can take, is to always end your poems with a copywrite sign: ©, the year and your full name or the name that you publish under. And, adding "All Rights Reserved" helps. © 2002 Your Name All Rights Reserved You can also send yourself your poetry via certified, registered mail, and keep the envelope you sent yourself sealed. This holds up in a court of law. Of course, nothing is a substitute for legal copywriting of your work. Saving it up until you have a body of work makes it easier and cheaper to do. Best of luck to you, Corinne |
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quietwaters Junior Member
since 2002-02-04
Posts 30delray beach, florida |
i feel for you... |
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Kit McCallum
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Member Laureate
since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
Hi Floria ![]() I tried to do a search using various unique phrases from your poem throughout the internet for any other situations where it might have been posted, and I do not come up with any instances. I can see you're really frustrated, so bear with me … I hope this helps. Try to bypass the person you're currently dealing with, and get to a higher level. You'll need to be able to identify the service provider of this site, see if they have a specific e-mail address that would best suit this type of problem. I couldn't find an appropriate e-mail address at the poetry.com site, so went to Verisign's "WhoIs" search page: http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois If you leave the "domain name" box ticked, type in www.poetrycorner.com just above it, and click on "go". When you do this, you'll find information available to the public regarding the site as follows: Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Jones, Mark (MJ3491) [email protected] Technical Contact: PSINet, Inc. (PSI-NISC) [email protected] You might try reaching one of those above, and provide them detailed information as to your problem. You'll want to keep your wording professional and unemotional (I know it's hard when you're frustrated, but you'll find you will usually get a better response that way). Send a cover note to them service provider (and you could also cc the other people involved to date if you wish). Here is a copy of a note I have used to a service provider to give you some ideas. You can use some of this or alter the wording to suit your particular circumstances: quote: The reason I came up with the blurb above, was due to a response I received from Lycos in one situation. I thought I'd copy it here, so you are aware of what some of the larger service providers ask of you before addressing the issue. (I also include a scanned copy of my copyright certificate, which I signed and blocked my address from.). This is what I had received when I reached Lycos on an issue and didn't provide enough detail for them. If you don't have a copyright certificate, you could use the rest of the wording, and just eliminate it, hoping it's enough to convince them. quote: I know it seems like a lot of work, but it's not bad. Here is a pretty good link if you'd like to look up further information on the DMCA mentioned above: http://www.arl.org/info/frn/copy/dmca.html I hope this helps Floria. ![]() |
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VAS Member Rara Avis
since 2000-11-16
Posts 7450Oregon |
all I can say is that now, once a person's name is on their work, it is as binding as a legal copyright, if someone uses a piece of writing and puts their name to it, when it is in fact someone elses, that is plagiarism perhaps there is a phrase in your work that is the same as someone else has used it seems to me that it would be very difficult not to come up with a phrase that has been thought and written by someone else even though I know I've run across lines that I so wish I had thought of myself, first is this someone going beyond the 'accusatory finger' with his/her complaint? Whether on the shoal or on the shore, |
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PearlsB4Swine Member
since 2002-02-01
Posts 130where the heart finds me |
Well, the burden of proof is on them. You have recorded dates of posting, and if you use Microsoft Word to create your documents, you have a date and time stamp written right into the document (look under File/Properties/Statistics). Let them provide the same proof and don't worry about it! ((hugs)) Just a note: Unless there is money to be realized from the publishing of the poem, the matter is mute anyway. Check the archives of this board and that one, make copies and email them to this webmistress, they have no rights under the law to do anything to you without concrete proof and evidence. So please don't fret! [This message has been edited by PearlsB4Swine (02-09-2002 11:36 AM).] |
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RosePetal![]() ![]()
since 2001-08-26
Posts 2985South Florida |
I'm so sorry to hear this Floria! I used to post at 3 sites but I stopped because of poem theives. I hope all works out for you, we all stand behind you. I know you would never do such a thing because you are always asking for critique! Someone who asks for critique really wants to better themself not plaigerize. I believe in you Floria (hugs) |
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strbbux Member Elite
since 2001-12-19
Posts 3859 |
Wow, where do I start? I don't want to leave anyone out, but I can't answer all. SO A BIG HUG AND THANKS TO ALL OF YOU MY FRIENDS I AM SO VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT....Kit, you have done so much work for me. I am printing this all out and absorbing it, should I need it. ((( hugs))) and thank you, It is very hurtful to go through this. Now I am in limbo, The woman who wrote to the webmistress is JOLENE, I demanded from the webmistress to know the accuser, and I also have her email address, so it is not the site that accuses, but the woman who is accusing me, and of course the site webmistress is in a pickle, and she may have to pull my poem. I dont care about that...I have written several emails to this Jolene asking her what lead her to accuse me, since it most certainly is my poem. every single word, dot and comma on the page. It is mine.. and she has not answered.....I just cannot figure this out..The webmistress is standing by waiting for word....what a mess... and why me? thanks so very very much to all of you, I will keep you posted, and if you are curious, here is the site, but remember, it is not the site that is accusing me, It is an unknown individual who seems to have gone into hiding. floria My poem is posted under Romance,, "Daydreams" http://www.silentwords.com/ Floria "Alas for those that never sing, But die with all their music in them" (Oliver Wendell Holmes) [This message has been edited by strbbux (02-09-2002 04:09 PM).] |
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Suetang Member Ascendant
since 2001-03-07
Posts 5187Melbourne, Australia |
Hello Floria A similar thing happened to me, although not quite as bad as what you've been going through. I posted one of my poems at a different site, using a different pen name and I had someone email me, telling me that they read my poem elsewhere and that someone had plagiarised my poem. I wrote back saying that I was that person and you should have seen the comments after I posted that. They told this girl to get her facts straight before she went on accusing someone and to mind her own business! I believe that this person you received the email from is just a trouble maker and jealous of your talent. I hope it all works out for you Floria and my thoughts are with you. Your poem is beautiful by the way. Take care.......Sue Suetang |
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GenXer Senior Member
since 2001-12-15
Posts 583USA |
Floria - This poem is so very good. Being accused of plaigerism has never happened to me, but I have heard of other people doing it occasionally on line. I'm sorry to hear this happened to you, but you can take solace in the fact that you know and everyone here knows that you would never do such a thing. And that these words truly came from your heart. Dave |
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Larry C![]()
since 2001-09-10
Posts 10286United States |
floria, See...now there is where you and I disagree. This poem is worth caring about! Well done. And let me at 'em. Never thought I'd say "I wish I was a lawyer." But if I were...you and I would be all over this one! Just hang in there. Those people are not worth that kind of stress. However, your reputation and poem are worth fighting for. So you go girl (I'm right behind you!). ![]() |
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strbbux Member Elite
since 2001-12-19
Posts 3859 |
I finally got somewhat of an answer, here it is, and thanks to all of you,, No need to reply as you have all been so wonderful...thanks so very much, now if only my writing ability will return as I have not been able to write with all the stress this woman caused me. thanks to all. and all my love to you my friends. floria Date: 2/10/2002 1:46:28 AM Central Standard Time From: JOLENE814 To: Snnipp7 Floria I appologize for the false accusation. Obviously if you are the one who has proof of copywrite then you should be acknowledged as the true writer. As I told Nan, I'am currently sorting through my files of poetry that I have collected from other sites online and once I find the poem I was refering to as the duplicate of "Daydreams" I will immediately foward you a copy of both the poem and the name of the person claiming to have written it. Jolene Floria |
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