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Enola Member
since 2000-02-11
Posts 138England |
“…the male spends his life attempting to be female. He attempts to do this by…claiming as his own all female characteristics – and projecting onto women all male traits…” Valerie Solanos Upon a crucifix she hangs, Waiting to be one. Re-united with a strength once lost, Knowing what she leaves behind. Her broken heart, too weak and shamed, A mind distorted and unkind. For the greater good she lies, For the greater good she dies. PS: I'm not trying to offend anyone (or even express my opinion), just attempting to dicuss a subect. The tragedy of it is that nobody sees the look of desperation on my face. Thousands and thousands of us, and we're passing one another without a look of recognition. |
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Mike Member Elite
since 1999-06-19
Posts 2462 |
Finely written poem. As far as the discussion, my poor and feeble mind is incapable of such deep thought... will leave that one up to the philosophers in the group. |
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angelswing Senior Member
since 2000-02-10
Posts 705United Kingdom |
You saw the reply I put at the other site, I feel the same the second time I read it, it's still great, nice one Debs . L.of.L. Tom . ps Why don't you come back here and write as it's much better and I can read your poems much easier . Also the people here are more friendly and the searches easier, please, I don't want to have to beg . Insanity is a perfectly normal responce to an abnormal world -R.D.Laing.- |
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Corazon Senior Member
since 2000-02-02
Posts 1209 |
I am not sure I understand this, I like the poem but combined with your quote, I am confused? |
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redheart angrybraids Member
since 2000-04-16
Posts 410honolulu, hawaii |
okay, the poem, i really like, the idea, is the this a transvestational look at religions over all effect? i don't know just a guess, kindly, redheart angrybraids Kindly, Redheart Angrybraids |
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Enola Member
since 2000-02-11
Posts 138England |
Corazon - The quote is intended to contradict the poem, show opposing sides of one subject, which is women in this society and how they are percieved by others and themselves. The religious aspect is there to aid the view the poem is (trying) to show. I once said to one of my friends 'thanks to the person who started the opression of women, for making my life so unbearable', my friend said 'well, that's God for you'. Thanks for the replies, I really appreciate them. The tragedy of it is that nobody sees the look of desperation on my face. Thousands and thousands of us, and we're passing one another without a look of recognition. |
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redheart angrybraids Member
since 2000-04-16
Posts 410honolulu, hawaii |
i just wanted to say again, that i really liked this poem, and the provokeing energy it carrys. Kindly, Redheart Angrybraids |
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Corazon Senior Member
since 2000-02-02
Posts 1209 |
thanks, sometimes I don't like a poem explained, as each reader sees something different, but your explanation really helps, and yes it is effective, i can see the reasoning, thanks for taking the time to explain  |
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brian madden Member Elite
since 2000-05-06
Posts 4374ireland |
wow a great poem, really enjoyed it. I must admit that the quote caught my eye as I have read the scum manifesto myself and also wrote a poem on Valerie Solanas. If you are interested /pip/Forum4/HTML/002750.html excellent poem. A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral. Antoine de Saint-Exupéry |
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Enola Member
since 2000-02-11
Posts 138England |
Thank you yet again for replying. Every time I read the poem, I can see different meanings, it sums up so many of my thoughts and views - mostly unintentionally! It's interesting to see how other people have intepreted it. I'm really glad you all liked it, I was worried that it wouldn't go down too well. Brian - I'll read your poem as soon as I've finished here. I've always wondered what made Valerie the way she was, do you know of any sites or books about her and/or SCUM? The tragedy of it is that nobody sees the look of desperation on my face. Thousands and thousands of us, and we're passing one another without a look |
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JulieAnn Senior Member
since 2000-06-12
Posts 754Earth 3rd Rock from the sun!! |
I am not sure what I think of this...we live in a new age....and it's been a long time since the "oppression" of women.....Mens toys are expensive...they need two incomes just to satisfy their needs.....anyway, I too do not mean to offend anyone.....but....like I said I don't know what to think of it...just a little bewildered I guess....it is a very good poem though!!  Julie :) |
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Enola Member
since 2000-02-11
Posts 138England |
Brain - I've just read your poem, I love it! You're a Manics fan, aren't you - I knew there had to be another one somewhere on this site. JulieAnn - Personally, I still believe that there is some opression going on, and quite frankly it disgusts me. We live in a New Age, like you say,and it's still happeneing. I can't say I blame you for being bewildered, it's pretty extreme, but I guess it had to be. Thanks for replying, any reactions are appreciated greatly.. The tragedy of it is that nobody sees the look of desperation on my face. Thousands and thousands of us, and we're passing one another without a look |
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OLIAS Senior Member
since 2000-06-20
Posts 1090Pearl city Iowa |
I loved the poem, not to sure I can relate to the content, I prefer an asexual approach to religion and life (if thats possible), I just think whatever our gender we all have the power and opportunity to do great good and evil, and oppresion of all kinds deserves positive descrimination. (climbing down from my pulpit).Thanks for posting, this made me think. Olias. |
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Enola Member
since 2000-02-11
Posts 138England |
OLIAS - "whatever our gender we all have the power and opportunity to do great good and evil" I definately agree with that, I don't mean to put women on a higher plane than men (the only reason I wrote it from a female point of view is that -being female- I can identify with it). It just saddens me that some people (male & female) can't see what they are capable of - in a positive sense. The tragedy of it is that nobody sees the look of desperation on my face. Thousands and thousands of us, and we're passing one another without a look |
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darkmagikwoman New Member
since 2000-07-03
Posts 2 |
Enola, it is a moving poem, using beautiful laced together words. Can not wait until you write your next. Hope it will be as beautiful as that one and strongly written. |
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Corinne Member Ascendant
since 1999-10-28
Posts 5167state of confusion |
very thought provoking, the quote juxtaposed with the poem. Corinne |
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Enola Member
since 2000-02-11
Posts 138England |
Glad you all liked it. The tragedy of it is that nobody sees the look of desperation on my face. Thousands and thousands of us, and we're passing one another without a look |
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Mark Bohannan Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-21
Posts 7269In the winds of Cherokee song |
Contradiction to poem and quote accepted. You have stirred many a thought with this one and one that deserves the process into which it now undertakes. Great read. |
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