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Janet Marie
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0 posted 2000-04-03 02:37 PM


I heard a "rumor" over in the Pub that if I wanted advice on how to write a sonnet of perfection, that MUNDA's forum was the place to ask    
I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find the "rules" and guidelines to writing a sonnet...
I figured at some point this had been discussed somewhere in these great forums.
If anyone can point me in the right direction I will be most poeticly greatful.
Munda the sonnets Gene has written with your inspiration were so great. There has been some awesome sonnets over in open 6 of late, and now I've got the bug to try one.
thanks, take care, Janet Marie
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and I feel like somethings gonna give...
and I'm a little bit angry.
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Munda
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1 posted 2000-04-03 05:44 PM


LOL Janet, Gene did not only write them with my inspiration, I actually wrote one of them myself    

Anyway, follow this link to the great mysteries of Nan's secrets and all will be revealed.

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Try "show all topics" in the Poetry Workshop someday. There's some really great stuff there and who knows, you may join us.    

Have fun with the sonnets.    

If you have any questions, I'd be happy to help you in any way I can.

Munda



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Janet Marie
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2 posted 2000-04-03 05:53 PM


THANK YOU MUNDA MY FRIEND!!!!!!
I will take ALL of the good  advice given!  
I really like the way sonnets read and feel.
I'll let ya know if I ever get close. LOL
If I get good at it, I'll come play with you masters in the workshops *S*
thanks for the help.
take care, jm

 ...when you walked into the room, I saw their faces,
you made it feel like time was standing still...and I felt fascination...
then you turned and smiled in my direction...
and my heart...gave me away.
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Munda
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3 posted 2000-04-03 06:14 PM


LOL don't be silly Janet Marie. We are no masters in the Workshop. We are students who are all eager to learn and it's great fun too ! Come over and play.  
Nan
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4 posted 2000-04-03 08:42 PM


HEY - I hear you guys talkin' out of school here... Come join us, Janet - but leave your gum in the wastebasket and remember that there'll be no paper airplanes thrown during class time..
Janet Marie
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5 posted 2000-04-04 10:27 AM


sorry teach...I thought it was spring break
thanks for the invite Nan, and Munda...when I get a break here at my end I will certainly stop in.
No paper airplanes...promise...but the gum...well I dont know...(smile)
thanks again for the sonnet info.
take care, jm

 ...when you walked into the room, I saw their faces,
you made it feel like time was standing still...and I felt fascination...
then you turned and smiled in my direction...
and my heart...gave me away.
glass tiger

jbouder
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6 posted 2000-04-04 09:22 PM


Janet:

The only things I would add to Nan's wonderful definitions are:

1.  There is usually a thematic turn that takes place after Line 8.  The first eight lines generally develop some sort of a conflict and the following six lines develop the resolution.  In the Shakespearean and Spenserian sonnets the "punch" rhyming couplet is very important.  In the Italian/Petrarchan sonnet, the poet is given more freedom in developing his/her resolution.

2.  Several poets in the past have modified the rhyme scheme of the sestet (last six lines) of their Italian sonnets.  One of Elizabeth Barrett Browning's Sonnets to the Portugese (sp?) rhymes its sestet as CDCDCD and Wordworth wrote one with a CDCDEE rhyme scheme.  These variations, evidently, are acceptible variations to the Italian sonnet.  I don't, however, know of any such variations in the Shakespearean and Spenserian formats.

I warn you that once you begin writing these things you become a little addicted to them.  I am currently attending a 12 step Sonnet-oholic's Anonymous program and even Brad has been bitten by the sonnet-bug.  

Feel free to email me any time you have a question.  If I don't have the answer I'm sure I'll be able to find it somewhere and would be glad to do so.

Jim

Janet Marie
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7 posted 2000-04-04 09:37 PM


Jim
thank you so much for this...I will print all this wisdom out and hopefully I can put it to good use. I had noticed that line theme change, it is one of the things that intrigues me about sonnets.
THANKS for the addiction warning, I have a feeling I'll be there with you and Brad..just as soon as I get out of my Passions Re-hab center (smile).. but hey I'll be in darn good poetic company ..right!
thanks Jim,
maybe I'll get so good at it...I'll put on up for your inspection in CA...NOT!!!!
take care, janet marie


 ...when you walked into the room, I saw their faces,
you made it feel like time was standing still...and I felt fascination...
then you turned and smiled in my direction...
and my heart...gave me away.
glass tiger

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