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Drauntz
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0 posted 2007-06-14 12:01 PM


very hard.
I told my friend, I am in serenity as A-bomb in sleeping. just don't ignite me. All my friends are like this.

you?

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Essorant
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1 posted 2007-06-14 01:01 PM


Willpower
Drauntz
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2 posted 2007-06-14 01:09 PM


are you sure you can do it?

pressed anger causes illness.

Edward Grim
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3 posted 2007-06-14 02:24 PM


I usually try not to control my mood. (Like you said D, it can funk up your insides.) If I'm in a bad mood, I try not to be around people, so they can't complain about my state. I've noticed that when someone sees you in a bad mood, they don't back off (at least the people in my realm). They push ya until you get mad, then they blame it on your mood. I notice that people try to make your problems about them, sometimes at least. I live with agitators. heh

“Well all the apostles, they’re sittin’ on the swings, sayin’ I’d sell off my savior for a set of new rings.”

Drauntz
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4 posted 2007-06-14 02:30 PM


Edward Grim, you are such a nice guy, very considerate and kind. not like you, i try to find someone to release my anger. no a good person at all.
Edward Grim
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5 posted 2007-06-14 02:36 PM


You're a very nice person Drauntz, I'd give yourself more credit than that.

“Well all the apostles, they’re sittin’ on the swings, sayin’ I’d sell off my savior for a set of new rings.”

Drauntz
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6 posted 2007-06-14 02:43 PM


big, big hugs to you!!!
Ron
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7 posted 2007-06-14 04:41 PM


Feelings are difficult to control.

Actions, on the other hand, are much easier.

Drauntz
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8 posted 2007-06-14 08:12 PM


Ron, do you mean  that I shall beat somebody up? if I am angry.
oceanvu2
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9 posted 2007-06-14 08:14 PM


Hi -- With drugs.  Between Valium, Zanax, Vicodin, Zoloft and Paxil -- plus the odd shot of Glen Morangie -- I manage to keep it together.

Mood control, when one is a certified manic-depressive -- is neither easy nor fun.  I've come to accept that mood difficulties are both endogenous and situational.

Not a lot of laughs.

Best, Jim

Drauntz
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10 posted 2007-06-14 08:35 PM




oceanvu2,
it is interesting that you mention drugs.

Almost everyone has low mood period during one's life. But not every body need medicine to recover and it is kind of hard to stop the medicine if you start it. To visit a doctor? some may just want you to take drugs. need 9 opinions to be on them.

As for a medical label, one of my friend is a psychiatrist. She labels her son, her husband. She and her colleagues need weekly psychological consoling.    

hush
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11 posted 2007-06-17 02:44 AM


For people who have genuine mood disorders and mental illness, medications are not optional and while I agree, in some cases, PCPs are all too willing to jot of a script without a referral to a specialist or any followup (all my doctor asks me about my Paxil is "do you need a refill"? However, she also prescribed it under advisement of the psychologist I was seeing at the time).

Willpower ceases to be a factor. I take care of people who go off their meds (or take them all at once) on a regular basis. I used to ahve trouble accepting mental illness as a biological and genuine phenomenon. Not anymore.

nakdthoughts
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12 posted 2007-06-17 12:27 PM


who says one must be "happy" all the time or in contentment...there are times when  tragedies or events (life itself) lend someone to be depressed...it doesn't mean you need to be that way and be medicated for the rest of your life.

Sometimes I think the easy solution is to medicate when there are other options if one is willing to work at them...of course initially you may need medication to calm the negative moodswing.

There was a time I needed medication because of deaths, abandonment and situations not under my control. But only for a short time because I decided I could do something to alter my mood whether exercise, join an organization to help those in need or garden, start a career over again...anything that would keep me from thinking "sad" thoughts.  
Even taking naps was a better solution than drugs.
Aging certainly makes it harder to accomplish as much as I use to but I am better off without being medicated and even with "crohns" disease have not taken anything more than an excedrin or over the counter allergy pill if needed during high pollen days.
I am happier and healthier than I have been in a very long time and mostly because I have decided I am the only one who can truly make myself happy.

And Drauntz, I don't believe I could have friends if I was that moody or would want those kinds of friends around me. Each would feed off the other. Anger is a waste of emotion.

This is just my opinion. Teaching and seeing how many children are medicated today reminds me how once children knew their limits, knew how to act and control themselves and feared punishment thus giving them a reason to be able to socialize without all the verbal and physical fighting they do today. Too much medication allowing a reason not to be held responsible today for one's own behavior.

sorry  got me into a thinking "mood".
M

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13 posted 2007-06-17 01:27 PM



As long as I know how to say "no" I will never take a medication for "mood" and "emotions".  

hush
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14 posted 2007-06-17 05:25 PM


It must be nice to feel so self assured regarding psychotropic medications. I know I used to.

If you genuinely nedd intervention, I think "saying no" is more of a coward's way out- a way to deny there is really a problem. It took a lot for me to stop "saying no" and believe it or not it wasn't easy to go to someone and admit "I cannot control my emotions, I think I have a serious problem, and I need help." It's actually very offensive to me when people imply that that is the easy way out. Facing a social stigma against depression and mental illness is extremely difficult... and believe me, if I was looking at people who were saying it's "the easy way" to take care of things, I'd be much less likely to speak up.

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15 posted 2007-06-17 06:54 PM


I think Ess meant, personally...why would that make you mad? Personally for you, getting meds is what works, what was needed. That is a good thing for you- personaly- then. If it's just someone's opinion, it shouldn't make you mad...it's not that big of a deal. I think what works for you may not work for someone else, and as long as what is working for you is good, and what is working for someone else is good, then leave it be. You don't have to agree on it. And the same thing doesn't have to be for everyone.
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16 posted 2007-06-17 08:29 PM


"It's actually very offensive to me when people imply that that is the easy way out."

In case you meant my response... I was just giving my opinion on my own experiences, and yes I remember going to the Dr. because all I did was cry for weeks on end...mainly because of my husband's not coming home at night and probably more out of fear of abandonment then anything else and because I had been married all of my adult life and never was alone before.

So I went to the Dr. who gave me an anti-depressant which helped. I don't see shame in that nor do most people, although I will tell you that when applying for a job in my own state for teaching, the form asked if I  had ever been on anti-depressants or any other drugs and I felt that was an intrusion and don't even know if it is legal to ask that.

It was probably that they don't wish to hire people with medical problems adding to their medical insurance costs.

But I also know people who would rather take medication than to seek other ways of helping themselves...and there are so many people on anti-depressants it makes you wonder if it is too acceptable today instead of finding alternative solutions.

But as Sea has responded, each case is different and each person has to decide for themselves or have it decided for them if it is a life-long need or not. Being medicated is definitely a better alternative for some than constant mood swings, arguing, fighting or threatening harm to themselves or others.


Tears-of-Sanity
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17 posted 2007-11-05 06:11 AM


I believe that smiles solve all mood problems.  Even though sometimes it is hard to manage a smile, but once you do... all problems are solved.  I have lived my life smiling for others, and now I think I am a happy person.

Tears of Sanity~

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18 posted 2007-11-05 12:54 PM


don't sweat the small stuff.
recognize that other's lives have challenges just like yours.
you are special, but not unique - teenage angst needs to be abandoned in favor of maturity.
there is no "reason for this" - life is now, don't bollox it up with drama.
if you do get angry, don't explode... people squirm much more if you retort in a low monotone.

TomMark
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19 posted 2007-11-05 06:24 PM


Christopher

What a marvelous lesson for Drauntz and others!!!!! I shall print it out and  hang it on my wall

"Don't sweat the small stuff" How do you judge that it is a small stuff for someone?


Christopher
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20 posted 2007-11-05 07:56 PM


Good question, TomMark - I guess it's relative. If I and my loved ones walk away from it, it's small stuff.



TomMark
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21 posted 2007-11-06 05:36 AM


"If I and my loved ones walk away from it, it's small stuff. "

I have been thinking this for quite sometime between meals. I think that your definition of  " samll stuff"  are very right and very smart.

Tomtoo

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22 posted 2007-12-23 01:11 AM


It is slightly odd but I control my moods by exercising.So far it has always worked.

Knowledge is power, power corrupts, study hard, be EVIL!

Tears-of-Sanity
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23 posted 2007-12-23 08:53 AM


I guess I SMILE to keep myself calm.
I don't know how that works, but as I keep smiling, when I don't smile others figure that there is something not right.  I am usually misunderstood by others but over all I am always smiling to keep my self calm and not get angry.

I remember that I got angry once at my brother... You wouldn't like to know what happened to him then. hehe!! but I don't remember any other incident where I turned up mad or angry at someone.

I hope that would help in some way!

Tears of Sanity~

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24 posted 2007-12-23 10:24 PM


I hope you all know you'll be tested on this.

*serene smiles*

Life is just loaded with pop quizzes!



Breathe. Don't forget to breathe.

Happy holidays.

Bob K
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25 posted 2008-01-07 01:43 AM


If you personally don't need psychotropic medication, by all means, stay away from it.  Why mess with something that's going well?

     If you want to try other options instead of or before trying psychotropic medication, why wouldn't you?  Extra sunlight, decent but not excessive exercise, psychotherapy, religion, a healthy but not medically questionable diet, there are loads of other options.  For some people, apparently , especially those with certain health and age issues, electroshock can help depression better than some medications.  I'm not in favor, but research it on your own.

     If psychotropic medication doesn't work for you, it's quite possible you're on the wrong one, or are taking the wrong class of drug, or simply, what the heck, it's not the right treatment for you.  It can take a long time to run through the possibilities.  Don't confuse  what you expect from medicine with what you expect from God.  And even God, the way I understand it, says No a fair amount of the time.

     All any of us are at best are people trying to help each other.  A nice healthy skeptical attitude about folks who seem to have the answer seems a really good place to start, and then one step at a time as best you can, including drugs if that's what's needed.  Psychotherapy's nice.  Learning that failure isn't tragic is good, too.  Not getting dramatic is also fine.  Avoid people who think that have answers.  

     Start with me.  Yours, Bob K.

Bob K
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26 posted 2008-01-07 02:11 AM


Also Ron is Smart.

Everybody has feelings all the time.  All sorts of feelings.  Some smiley-face feelings.  Some rip the guts out of bunnies feelings.  

We are not responsible for our feelings, according to David K. Reynolds, who writes entertainingly on Japanese approaches to psychotherapy.  They're like weather.  You're not responsible for rain or drought.

What you are responsible for, no matter how you're feeling, is what you do.  What matters is that you act well (and no I'm not foolish enough to try to define that for you.  If you have to ask you're either in need of basic childrearing or are trying to pick a fight.)  Odds are you'll feel better and more in control if you do.  (gramatically speaking, act responsibly rather than pick fights, darn it.)

Ron, if that's not what you meant to say, I'm sorry for the distortion.  It is, however, what I think.  

As with many of the things I think, I find it impossible to practice on my own, by the way, but it's a really  tough-minded approach to life; simpler to offer as advice than follow as a path.  

I remember while studying Aikido 30 years ago, I went to  sensei with a question about what I should do to control my weight.  "Don't eat," is what he said.  That's what I think, too.  I've gained a lot of weight since.  Regretfully, BobK.

    

TomMark
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27 posted 2008-01-07 12:14 PM


Dear Bob K,
"We are not responsible for our feelings"
I just love this comment. Do we all say that it is all his/her fault?

I know what you mean. It is all naturally ready built reactions.

TM

JEZZ24
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28 posted 2008-01-11 07:45 AM


I dont know if you can control your feelings as such but you can definately try... I suppose it depends if there is a reason why you feel the way you do.
Forcing a smiles seems to help or visiting a cheerfull friend.... even when you really dont want to.
Sometimes you just have kick yourself into positive thinking.
Of course like I said before it does depend on the circumstances of your feelings.

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