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Essorant
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0 posted 2005-05-13 02:23 AM


Here is a good link for some that may be interested
There are 77 dictionaries for free.
They are all very user friendly programs and don't take up much space on the computer.   The list includes Latin, Old English and Gothic.  
http://www.freelang.net/dictionary/index.html

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Alicat
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1 posted 2005-05-13 09:42 AM


Very nifty, but I do wonder about accuracy.  Proof will be in the pudding, I reckon.
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2 posted 2005-05-13 12:13 PM


Having WAAAAYYYYY too much time on my hands.. I took Ess' dictionaries and a little research (actually very little   lol) and translated one of my own into Old English. I know I made some mistakes, however it was an interesting exercise. Thanks for the inspiration.
The original is here:
The Final Step

þa betynan com
he standan þær anum
andwlita his geniman
standan orgellice
his þær asellan hine
seo wisdom ond orþanc
gemetan  ðes  mæl
he ahtes agifan modrof begang
næs forod
gefelan nealles tintreg
andwyrden nealles socn
þrag hie dydon astandan hine
ongean se wæg
stutian ond orgellice
heafod uppriht
hie dydon næs berstan
his endenext stæppan cwom
forðgongendre tide
hie dyde fon to his siþfæt
ever guma

Aenimal
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3 posted 2005-05-13 01:07 PM


thanks essorant, looks interesting
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4 posted 2005-05-13 06:46 PM


**offers Ringo a glass of water **

If home is where the heart is,,,,,I guess the corner bar is where the mind wanders off to

Essorant
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5 posted 2005-05-13 07:55 PM


Ringo

I like your poem.
I am studied a few years on reading Old English though, so I see many major mistakes in your translation.
It's good to see an interest though; I thought your poem was very fitting in spirit for Old English.

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Alicat
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6 posted 2005-05-13 08:17 PM


That's because dictionaries only give words, pronunciations and definitions, not grammar, syntax, or parsing.
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7 posted 2005-05-13 08:49 PM


Yes exactly Alicat... cause... my step-father is Italian, and he says that in the dictionary the words translated from English to Italian are proper and lack any form of mis-pronunciation, or slang (however that is how most Italians talk) so trying to translate a poem using the Italian dictionary wouldn't even read correct for an Italian because most of the language is pretty much said backwards of how we say it.

Does that make sense?

Essorant
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8 posted 2005-05-13 09:42 PM


Tima.

Indeed.   In Romance nouns usually come first and then adjectives or possessives.  
And it makes sense because nouns are more central and attributes more secondary.  

In English it is the other way around tho.  We don't usually say "poem tima's"  We say "tima's poem"    

Latin says poeta magna "poet great"  English says great poet

It's not complicated.  Just takes some time to get used to      


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9 posted 2005-05-13 11:18 PM


Hey... I gave it a shot...
I checked online to see about some of the grammer, and didn't find too much that was not on a graduate level.. and my crains barely got me out of high school...
Maybe another time with wnother language.

I'm drowning, choking
   Falling deeper into this
   Black hole we call living
...Fates Warning

Essorant
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10 posted 2005-05-13 11:41 PM


Ringo


Did you look in Passion's English Workshop?  There is a thread "On Old English"   This is by no means perfect but it may help a bit if you wish to study Old English.  There is also a very good introductory book called First Steps in Old English by Stephen Pollington, which you may like to take a look at.  It is probably the best modern introductory book on Old English available.  

Here is a link to First Steps


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Essorant
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11 posted 2005-05-14 08:34 PM


Stæfcræft is seo cæg ðe ðæra boca andgitt unlicð

"Grammar is the key that unlocks the meaning of books."

Ælfric

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12 posted 2005-05-14 08:52 PM


It would actually be an interesting exercise....
I am not seriously interested in studying Old English, however having a bit of knowledge about such things can never be a bad thing... besides.. I would be cool to read something BESIDES Beowulf...
lol
Thanks for the links...I will check them out.

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   Falling deeper into this
   Black hole we call living
...Fates Warning

Essorant
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13 posted 2005-05-21 01:06 AM


Here is an on-line version of Bosworth-Toller's Anglo-Saxon dictionary.  It is an excellent resource for Old English words.  It tells each noun's gender and gives some sample-phrases with the word as well.      

http://beowulf.engl.uky.edu/~kiernan/BT/Bosworth-Toller.htm


Best wishes with your studies.

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