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latearrival
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0 posted 2005-06-18 12:27 PM



           To A Sunflower


          Oh stately Sunflower
  
   Why doest thou hang thy head in shame?

   Are thee not proud of thy long summer's reign?

   If thou must go, go with a queenly grace

         Do not hang thy head

            as in disgrace.
      

              jo perry  

Hi, Need help with this.I do not know the correct forms of thee and thou. Should I just use you and your? I like the sound, but need your help with it. Thanks. martyjo

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Not A Poet
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1 posted 2005-06-18 03:57 PM


Hi Martijo,

Actually, it's your choice what you write and how you do it. Personally, I like to occasionally use older language. I think one must be careful in doing so, particularly don't overdo it. It can beome tiresome for readers pretty quickly. Also, it is important to be consistent within a poem. If you use archaic language for part, don't throw in any really modern lingo.

Thee and thou are fairly simple. Thou is the subjective case and thee is the objective. That is thou/thee is used analogously to he/him or she/her. They are also used as third person when related to a verb. Of course, there is more to it than that but it is a good start anyway.

latearrival
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2 posted 2005-06-18 04:30 PM


thank you for explaining.But did I put the  thou and thee in the right places? I am a dunce at this. I guess I should just use you and yours.
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3 posted 2005-06-18 06:09 PM


Try substituting she for thou and her for thee, making the appropriate verb changes. This should tell you that your one thee should be thou. While you're at that, remember to use the third person verb form. Where you have "are thee" I believe it should be "art thou" instead.

Essorant
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4 posted 2005-06-20 12:11 PM


I like this.
I just have a few suggestions:


*  "Do" as an auxilory, followed by another verb
   is idle.  As all verbs imply "doing".
   I believe just "hang" alone may work better.

*  "go, go" I think this line may flow
   much better with only one "go"

*  Also grace/disgrace as a rhyme doesn't  
   work well with the same word over
   again.  It may work much better
   with a different word perhaps face,
   or even ways.  

* (also a word such a, of, the,  should not  
   be capitalized in a title, unless
   it is the first word of the title:
   "To a Sunflower" instead of "To A
   Sunflower" a were correctly capitalized if
   your title were "A Sunflower")
  

Perhaps something like this:


To a Sunflower


          Oh stately Sunflower
  
   Why hangest thou thy head in shame?

   Art thou not proud of thy long summer's reign?

   If thou must go, hold up a queenly face

           hang not thy head

            as in disgrace.
      



I hope my suggestions are sound.


latearrival
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5 posted 2005-06-20 02:33 PM


Essorant,Thank you. It looks and sounds much better.It is just a little ditty. But I was not sure of it.martyjo


Angel1
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6 posted 2005-06-29 12:47 PM


Don't forget, soemtimes you need to take creative license. Meaning that it's not always correct english that matters so much as it is making the poem work.
latearrival
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7 posted 2005-06-29 11:21 PM


Thank you Angel1, It was just a few words to the Sunflowers going to seed and falling to the ground from the rain and wind. Kind of sad to see them go. martyjo
John R
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8 posted 2005-07-01 05:28 PM


One comment  The word Oh in the beginning is an exclaimation.  You use it as a greeting and it should be just "O"

"O Sunflower" ect.
John

latearrival
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9 posted 2005-07-01 05:47 PM


Thank you John, You know I put this in here hesitatingly, because I know it was just a little thing. But now I am glad I did as I have learned a lot from all of you. best to you,martyjo
Huan Yi
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10 posted 2005-08-29 01:51 PM



Jo
--------
Sunflower
Why do you hang your head ?

I am not proud
And any summer's reign is never long

Since I must go as well,
Let it be with a certain grace

Oh little Sunflower
You are more beautiful than the rest

-----------------

A thought

latearrival
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11 posted 2005-08-29 03:48 PM


Thank you, I had really forgotten this little ditty... martyjo
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