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gofor42
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since 2000-01-23
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0 posted 2000-10-17 12:09 PM


Empricism is a belief that we can't have knowledge outside of something we have not experienced through our senses.  They hold that our sensory experience is the only truth.  As the poem explains (I hope), anyone who believes this has obviously never been in love.

You say nothing exists that you
Cannot experience through your senses.
Such an empirical claim
Is proof positive you've never been in love.
It is beyond sight, for Love is blind.
It is beyond touch, taste, smell, or
Sound.  Love confounds them all,
Surpases our finite experiences
With something that even reason cannot explain.
Try to quantify it with your senses.
If you do, you shall fail.
It is beyond all sensory experience;
Love is part of existence that
Is at once experienced and
Also transcends anything we can
Ever see, touch, taste, smell, or hear.



"If you can't annoy somebody, there's little point in writing."
--Kingsley Amis

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Denise
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1 posted 2000-10-17 08:56 PM


I can't argue with that, gofor! Great poem!

Denise


gofor42
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2 posted 2000-10-18 09:38 AM


Glad you liked it.

"If you can't annoy somebody, there's little point in writing."
--Kingsley Amis

Broken_Winged_Angel
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since 2000-04-06
Posts 994
Small Town, Somewhere
3 posted 2000-10-23 07:35 AM


Rock on!  Great poem and no arguements here..  

With a little piece of tomorrow,
You'll have to kiss yesterday goodbye.
Because today won't last forever,
And the past will only make you cry.

gofor42
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since 2000-01-23
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4 posted 2000-10-23 11:57 AM


Thank ye...though I do kind of wish someone would debate the point with me, just for the fun of it.

"If you can't annoy somebody, there's little point in writing."
--Kingsley Amis

kcsgrandma
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since 2000-09-24
Posts 1522
Presque Isle, ME
5 posted 2000-10-23 05:51 PM


Okay, gofor42, you asked for it.    Have you never felt the warmth in your heart when you think of your beloved, or butterflies in your stomach at a touch.   Have you never seen a smile, or passion in the eyes, felt a hug or a kiss, heard tenderness in a voice?  Need I go on?     I like your argument, nevertheless.  

To love another person is to see the face of God.
- Les Miserables

Marilyn

gofor42
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6 posted 2000-10-23 06:32 PM


Warmth in the heart is a euphamism, something that is merely a poetic device.  One can get butterflies in the stomach when riding on a roller coaster--does that mean I'm in love with the roller coaster?  And the others are generally associated with Love, but passion is an animalistic state of being and not necessarily love.  And I hug people all the time, but I'm not necessarily in love with them.  Also, empiricism states that we can only have knowledge of things we've experienced.  What is "love" for one person may not hold true for another, so we cannot have any kind of objective definition.  However, I do appreciate the fact that someone refuted me.  Thanks.< !signature-->

"If you can't annoy somebody, there's little point in writing."
--Kingsley Amis


[This message has been edited by gofor42 (edited 10-23-2000).]

Alle'cram
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since 2000-02-28
Posts 1816
Texas
7 posted 2000-10-24 12:53 PM


lol, Go4, Kc's nanna got her scoop from the laundromat, (which is good) lol  

enjoyed your thoughts and good writing. Marcy

gofor42
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since 2000-01-23
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8 posted 2000-10-24 12:05 PM


Yup, but hey--I did ask for debate, eh?

"If you can't annoy somebody, there's little point in writing."
--Kingsley Amis

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