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WindWalker
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since 2001-10-12
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0 posted 2008-01-10 02:47 AM


One day I asked a religious person:
Who created God?
Predictably, the answer was: no one.
It is generally assumed that “God”
must of necessity precede creation
since the title of “Creator”
is also ascribed to this entity.

Everything comes from something else.
That is how it is with nature.
If “God” exists entirely outside nature,
what kind of being is that?
How can it know anything about life
if it manifests outside of life?
Are we just toys or trinkets
in the hands of some cosmic child?
Are we mindless automatons
that some creators made to serve them?

Yes, I know what religious books say,
and I know what preachers add to it all.
And I also know what the results of their thoughts
have been on this world.
I have experienced the love of religion
and that’s an “ouch!”
I have had “friends” who insisted
I needed to be “saved”
and have my sins forgiven –
but discovered my “sins” were less evil
than the collective ways of any Saviours.

Obviously – this is no big trick to know –
“God” is the “Big Stick”
invented by psychopaths to beat up
on people they are not able to outsmart
in the real world.

© Copyright 2008 Sharran WindWalker - All Rights Reserved
Margherita
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since 2003-02-08
Posts 22236
Eternity
1 posted 2008-01-10 08:20 AM


There are questions in our hearts that will never receive satisfying replies, because our human minds can't probably even conceive total truth regarding the origin of Universe/s … it's simply beyond our understanding as is the concept of God. Laws of Physics have undergone change along the history of men's knowledge/scientific evolution …we possess scientific proof for very few things. The question marks can never be removed in any of these deep doubts that accompany our lives.

The philosophic research of course is fascinating and we won't ever stop to search for the truth. It's an individual path too … no one has certainties, but everyone has probably personal views and "experiences" which we should respect. I think the only correct attitude in these fields is humbleness …

I'd like to conclude with Shakespeare's words in his Hamlet: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

For me, God is Love, no beginning, no end.
One day hopefully there will be clarity also for the mind, besides the soul's awe-inspiring perceptions.

love
Margherita

ThisDiamond
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since 2002-02-22
Posts 9353
Michigan, USA
2 posted 2008-01-10 08:28 AM


You have such captivating thoughts!
i do so enjoy your musings.

passing shadows
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since 1999-08-26
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displaced
3 posted 2008-01-10 09:32 AM


I'm not sure my take on this

but it's thought-provoking indeed

XOx Uriah xOX
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since 2006-02-11
Posts 1403
Virginia
4 posted 2008-01-10 03:30 PM


::smiles::

(((((nature))))     ((((world)))))

fun thoughts

secondhanddreampoet
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since 2006-11-07
Posts 6394
a 'Universalist' !
5 posted 2008-01-12 09:12 AM


The historic record is assuredly clear...amid the cry of "It's God's Will!"
and under the organizing banners of one 'ism' or another, the proponents
of 'religions' have committed and (and continue to commit) the grandest
atrocities which have left the most widespread, lasting, and unconscionable
wake of damage to humanity!

Particle physicists and Cosmologists know that any level of pattern/complexity
and structure (even cells, multicellular organisms, and human brains) can
'self-organize' and evolve out of 'chaos' by the normal repetitive operation of Nature's
fundamental laws and processes without the need to postulate 'conscious
design' (godlike intent) behind their origin:

Cosmic Evolution:

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ArtSolstice
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since 2007-03-18
Posts 498

6 posted 2008-01-12 01:51 PM


Once again, WW, your poem asks all the right questions. I greatly enjoyed it.
Marchmadness
Member Rara Avis
since 2007-09-16
Posts 9271
So. El Monte, California
7 posted 2008-01-12 02:58 PM


You are obviously a thinking person, WW and
we can't have too many of those.
                                       Ida

kudanesh
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since 2007-12-01
Posts 135
Peterborough,England
8 posted 2008-01-12 06:23 PM


I loved this and it has brought me to think yes there might be some type of god. Me I think that there is a god what one or what he might be i don't know. Like allot of people that go to church on a Sunday or go to a mosk allot of them will tell you what they believe.
I think that a person should have there own god. Believe in your own god as long as you lead a good life and are sorry for the things that you have done wrong then if there is a god he will see. Even though you have not gone to church and that you have been kind and loving to people then he can not fault you for that.
In this day and age were there are so many religions to confuse I believe in my own way my own time. god will for give me for baring false idol if he sees every thing. Because he will no why i have done it

Midnitesun
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Gaia
9 posted 2008-01-12 07:22 PM


Let us hope if there is an ultimate 'big stick'
(s)he is more benevolent than the one I was told to obey.

Bobby Jordan
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since 2007-08-13
Posts 491
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
10 posted 2008-01-12 07:42 PM


WindWalker,

Your line of reasoning has been done to death.  Is this a new thought?

Bobby

lucky
Senior Member
since 2000-01-17
Posts 1601
Idaho
11 posted 2008-01-13 12:20 PM


Don't sweat the small stuff... If it has
been put into your heart to believe that
HE IS...then why waste your breath on
questions that can only be answered with
speculation... Pardon me, but it appears
that you already have a very long list of
explanations in which your not buying into
so I will exit without adding another...

"God is a Spirit," maybe you'd like to try
and define spirit for us..?

Sending Prayers
dale

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