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Local Parasite
since 2001-11-05
Posts 2527Transylconia, Winnipeg 
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http://store.yahoo.com/ppfastore/ihadabt.html Why is it that this sort of thing has to become everyone's business? Are people so obsessed with pushing some political agenda that they have to wear a t-shirt about it? I'm sick and tired of seeing everyone push their beliefs around in the public eye. I've seen one too many political t-shirt that has nothing to say but "this is a person who believes such-and-such a thing." It's symbolic of the common, proud attitude that too many people are taking up with their beliefs. Like their t-shirt, the message is completely outgoing. It asks no question, it simply makes a statement. A t-shirt cannot listen, it can only speak. More and more we're learning to speak more and listen less, which means the things we're saying are less and less informed, because we're less and less interested in learning compared with how interested we are in tossing around our fixed, vacant political repetitions. Everyone who wears a t-shirt that says something like this is saying "I've got it figured out, so listen to what I have to say." Why is pride so popular? Whatever happened to clever t-shirt slogans that have some kind of humourous and politically empty statement that everyone can love, like "I'm with stupid," or something to that effect? |
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Midnitesun
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
Why not one that just reads nuke-ular ie, the same message as the one you mentioned? Sorry, American politics are making me a bit crazy lately. I understand this, and sure wouldn't mind seeing less pre-packaged slogans. |
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LoveBug
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Member Elite
since 2000-01-08
Posts 4697 |
People like that just want to piss others off and be political. If they want to, they can make their own shirts... I hope the people marketing this crap lose millions.. Oh, make me Thine forever |
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Kaoru
since 2003-06-07
Posts 3892where the wild flowers grow |
Hmm.. I don't know what to say. I looked at the first t-shirt that popped up on my screen after opening the link, and needless to say, I felt a little sick to my stomach. I don't know why this is something that anyone would be proud of.. I mean, I'm not condemning them, but why would anyone in their right mind want to say that this made them proud enough to spend 20 dollars on a t-shirt that clearly states it? It just seems a little odd to me, and I'm not exactly in my own right mind half the time. I'd veiw anyone wearing a shirt like that as a "scarlet letter" type of situation. It's not something I'd be proud to wear, it's also not something I'd want people to know. It makes the world seem so impersonal.. Nothing is private anymore? |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
The shirt is offered by www.soapboxinc.com I think that kinda says it all. The people who wear such things are trying (crudely) to open a dialogue. I see your point in that it tends to be montonous when confronted with deliberately inflammatory slogans. But actually I have to wonder if the topic wasn't more distressing than anything else. My first day in Disney World happened to be Gay & Lesbian Day. There was one particular t-shirt that seemed popular with the gay gentlemen-- it was a t-shirt of extra length (generally it stopped just short of the knees) with a simple line drawn right around the crotch area with the familiar tagline: "Must be this tall to ride." and grumble, yeah, it was offensive, (I felt it a little too pedophilia favored)and it was difficult to explain to my kids too, but I would prefer that difficulty than explaining to my kids why they can't wear a cannibal corpse tee... sigh. What's wrong with a simple tie-dye? grin? Consider it a heads up. A full frontal alert that a person is to be avoided.  |
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Kaoru
since 2003-06-07
Posts 3892where the wild flowers grow |
Aww.. crap. I just remembered that I wear a Cannibal Corpse t-shirt on occasion.. I am no better. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
Well, Kaoru, all sarcasm aside, you do have the right to wear it. (although my son can't wear his to school, apparently, much to my shock, I hadn't realized what was on the back of the thing) But I shrugged at that and shrugged at the above. The point is not which sloganizing is more atrocious, but which alternative is the more outrageous. But then after taking the temperature around the forum today, I think I'll just shaddup. Usually when I think everybody's crazy I'm the one who should shaddup. (And if it's the political stance that bothered you about the shirt, you should see some of the anti-abortion shirts I've seen. Not pretty.) |
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Kaoru
since 2003-06-07
Posts 3892where the wild flowers grow |
As far as abortion is concerned, I'm pro-choice. I don't know if I should get in to that in this thread. Cannibal Corpse is silly. I mean, really, how many adults (and even kids within the age range of 13-19) really take them seriously? I'd say it's a little different because they (the band) uses it's "sick" images, not for political reasons, but for "shock value". I can't be held accountable for my shirts, really, because none of them make a political statement such as "I hate homosexuals", or "I had an abortion". I never say much to people who have a different opinion than I do about politics, because it's pointless to argue someone's personal beliefs. Even if they seem very illogical to me. I'd rather see a Cannibal Corpse t-shirt, though, but that's just my thing. I don't want to know all about what a woman chose to do with her unborn child unless I ask, just like I don't want to know someone's stance on Kerry unless I ask. With offensive t-shirts, I'd say I'm more offended by that shirt than any other metal band t-shirt I've ever seen. That's really saying a lot, because there's a lot of bad one's out there. lol Perhaps I'm being too harsh...... |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
I think perhaps we just miscommunicated. I'm not offended by t-shirts of any kind. That was my point. |
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Local Parasite
since 2001-11-05
Posts 2527Transylconia, Winnipeg |
Serenity, Is there a difference between being offended and annoyed? I think so... I'm not offended by t-shirts like this. It just bugs me the lengths someone will go to in order to (as you said) open a dialogue. Kaoru, I have a KMFDM shirt that I really like, I wear it all of the time. It says OPIUM on it, and depicts a man smoking a big pipe and a woman smiling euphorically. I never really thought it had any political implications, it's just a shirt for a band I like... but I guess I can see how some people might find it offensive? Would you be willing to admit that, to at least some extent, we wear band t-shirts in order to open a dialogue, too? I think that the difference is that our shirts are aiming at a dialogue that's a lot less political and more recreational, so to speak. I've actually met people by commenting on the bands on their t-shirts, with whom I now speak on a regular basis. That sounds stupid but I swear I'm not making it up... If I saw you wearing a Cannibal Corpse t-shirt I'd probably smirk, but not really take offense of any kind. I don't think anybody's going to think you're chasing some "I had an abortion" or "I hate homosexuals" confrontation by wearing it. You're just trying to say "I like Cannibal Corpse, who else does? Talk to me if you do! Tell me you like my t-shirt." In a way it's not really any better, but I think it's clear that there's less arrogance involved in the wearing of band t-shirts than "I had an abortion." |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
laughing...I really need to clear something up. I was not offended by my son's cannibal corpse t-shirt. (If I were, it would have disappeared in the laundry--and even THAT is a joke, 'cause as a mom, I don't work that way) The SCHOOL was offended by the t-shirt as it depicted a sex act on the back of it. And yes, I told him it was innappropriate to wear to school because THEY deemed it inappropriate. He can wave his freak flag on his own time, until then, I'm responsible for him, so I rule. End of discussion with him on THAT. So being a kid, naturally he started testing my boundaries. He then got a t-shirt that was just this side of racist, with a rebel flag. (He knows very well how I feel about that.) He came out of his bedroom grinning, asking if I was going to let him wear that. I told him that he was begging for a butt-whupping but not from me--and to go ahead and wear the shirt, but I wanted him to notice the mentality of those who complimented him on his taste while wearing it. (I also mentioned that if he wanted to look like one of his father's friends, he should learn to yell "FREEBIRD", drink beer, and lose a few I.Q. points.) He retired that one on his own. As I stated in my first reply, such a shirt is merely a wrapper, advertising the mentality of the person wearing it. It doesn't offend, nor does it insult me. In fact, it tends to alert me and amuse me. In fact, I have thought up my own: "Only Idiots Wear Slogans"  Peace? <--that's a classic and doesn't count as a slogan.  |
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Kaoru
since 2003-06-07
Posts 3892where the wild flowers grow |
Heh. Para - I will admit that some of my t-shirts ARE offensive, I knew this when I bought them. To be honest, at the time, I didn't care too much about the reactions of other people. I just thought the band was cool, and somehow I was doing a service to them by spending money on their merchandise. It really ISN'T any better, my knowing full well the reactions that some people will have. I do offend people, but I also don't wear my Cannibal Corpse t-shirt in public anymore. Seren - I totally understood all of your comments. I think you're right. I'm going to put on my shirt that says, "Kiss me, I'm Irish". |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
belief? i'd be more inclined to label it "marketing" and be done with the facade. whether for an idea or tangible product, it's all advertising. as to something so blatant as this... well, shock certainly does provoke conversation (note this thread), which is the keystone of good marketing. everyone who clicks on the links above is promoting this company's marketing campaign... even if they're against it. |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
How is wearing a band t-shirt with a poltical message really all that different than wearing a shirt with just a political message? I used to have the Ministry t-shirt with the cover of Filthpig on it... it basically had a guy waving an American flag but covered in blood, and the back of the shirt had a swastika on it. Hmm... sure, that's not indicative of any sort of anti-establishment political stance is it? I also see a problem in assuming the statement "I had an abortion" tells you a person's political stance. Did you know that some poeple become pro-life after they have abortions? Did you know that a lot of women have spontaneous abortions, produced by their own bodies? Did you consider that maybe poeple who have had abortions might be trying to seek each other out, or to shake the shame they feel or that they feel society has placed on them? Maybe the shirt just says "Hey, if you've also had an abortion, come talk to me... maybe we can share our experience." I mean... would you fault someone who wore a shirt saying "I'm a recovering alcoholic" or a gay pride shirt? It seems more like an identity issue than a poltical issue. Now, if the shirt said "I support abortion," then I'd be inclined to agree with you that it speaks the person's poltical stance. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
As always hush, you tiptoe in and speak quiet good sense. Excellent point. |
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Kaoru
since 2003-06-07
Posts 3892where the wild flowers grow |
I think I should step out of this thread. I'm pregnant, so I may make this more of an issue than it really is. Sorry. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
Meg...no need to apologize. It was about halfway through this thread that I remembered you were expecting, so forgive ME for being thoughtless and insensitive. Be well and be happy. |
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Professor Gloom Member Elite
since 2000-07-23
Posts 3082of Depression |
Tee shirts Most of mine are of three categories Solid colors either black or white Location I have been i.e. Niagara Falls, Florida, Mystic Connecticut Or one I only were around the house, corporate logos and silly slogans. I go to great degrees to dress understated and remain unnoticed Why would I want to make any statement. Want a statement, ask me a question We’ll talk. Gloom |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
Tiptoeing? I thought I just got here late... |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
grin..it's just the name "hush"...I picture you tiptoeing about the forum, quietly fighting injustice, maybe with a cotton cape? I've got this wicked imagination, forgive me.  I do admire your clarity and intelligence, however I may jest... |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
The thing about the name... it was intended to remind me to shut up once in a while (didn't really work) and I thought it sounded a little better than, uh, "shut up" would. |
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Midnitesun
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
There is a T shirt being sold on the Internet, to Palestinian activists (infitada) and supporters. It has a picture of a bullet, and the caption reads: Israeli Crowd Control. I nearly puked when I saw this. It is being sold by a company called Cafe.com, which offers you the opportunity to wear any saying you choose, ie, wear your beliefs. I just might not ever buy another T shirt. |
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Mysteria
since 2001-03-07
Posts 18328British Columbia, Canada |
Well I'm safe. I wear "Born To Shop," but on purpose, it keeps men at arm's length. On a serious note though, I don't care for slogans that are screen-printed on anything and sold that are in bad taste, and for sure those I have noticed sell the most. Christopher is absolutely right, it's all really about marketing. Why in heck would anyone pay these companies to walk around doing their marketing for them? The last time I worked I think I got paid for doing a job, not the other way around I am also guilty of having bought "name-brand shirts and jeans" like anyone else, until someone explained the process of who actually made them to me, and who got rich off of the sale of them. Until they begin offering me money to wear them, I think I will stick to plain ones. I agree with you also Bri, it is about getting communication going when one wears these shirts, and draws similar people together quite quickly, or drives others away. |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
Well, those slogan shirts aren't necessarily marketing for the company that makes them... they might be marketing an idea, but it's not like the shirt says "I had an abortion at Planned Parenthood" or something... there is no company represented. At best, it represents a certain group of women and at worst, it represents a political idealogy... who's the marketing for? now, slogans like "Property of Abercrombie and Fitch" are another story, but I think most poeple wear those to avoid attention for their clothes rather than to catch it. Also: "I am also guilty of having bought "name-brand shirts and jeans" like anyone else, until someone explained the process of who actually made them to me, and who got rich off of the sale of them. Until they begin offering me money to wear them, I think I will stick to plain ones." Do you think the "plain" jeans are cheaper because those companies pay American workers a living wage? The same poor people do the dirty work, it's just that the markup isn't as high and the names "Arizona" or "Canyon River Blues" aren't as cool as "Aeropostale" or "American Eagle." Seriously, go to any store and look for American (or other developed coutries) made clothes. I've tried. It's a laughing matter. |
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LeeJ Member Patricius
since 2003-06-19
Posts 13296 |
All my T-shirts say I belong to the addicted Kevin Costner support Group...hehehhehe |
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Midnitesun
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
I'd like to wear one that reads I'd rather be running nekked in the blue |
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Stephanos
since 2000-07-31
Posts 3618Statesboro, GA, USA |
Hush: quote: Hush, I think that "I had an abortion" is a brazen enough statement to give us clues to the motivation for wearing it. It gives me the feeling that a woman who wears this hasn't really come to terms with the shame of it. It's "in your face" enough to make me think she's probably not pro life. But on the other hand, I think these kinds of things might reveal an insecurity too. "Methinks you protest too much". A brazen stance can be a facade as well, and a covering of a lot of pain. And also they might be reacting to a very unloving and inflammatory response in their history from some "pro life" groups. Warlike attack often does something to us ... makes us dig our heels in, quite seperate from the consideration of whether our "nationalism" is right or not. Anyway, I say all of this to say, these shirts evoke a certain compassion in me, as well as an offense at the thought or idea presented. And to the Local Parasite, this is a great thread, since there are endless Tees to generate discussion. And I'm in agreement about the perfectly natural response of being "annoyed" by certain messages on T-shirts. I think the trend of today is to think that true protest, moral or otherwise, is uncouth and a left-over from the age of monarchism, or Salem witch burnings. The trend today is, sadly, that it's okay to be a little irritated, but don't be so to the point that someone might think you actually think you're right. We are a "rights" focused society moreso than a right focused society. I just want to encourage some, short of being a Jerk, to say "yeah that offends me" and try to offer cogent reasons. What happened to the days of polemical confidence combined with chivalry? BTW ... isn't KMFDM an acronym for the German phrase "No Pity for the masses" or something like that? That's hardly a political / ethical stance that I think you'd agree with. I used to listen to rock/ metal myself and know very well about the almost irrational (yet kinda cool) feeling of devotion and fanship that isn't all that concerned with content. But I would ask the question why do people wear things which portray ideas and concepts which they themselves would oppose in reality? And is there any danger of the desensitization and familiarization that can occur from things like that. just to generate some more discussion .... carry on, (and after this we can discuss bumper stickers. lol.) Stephen. |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
"Hush, I think that "I had an abortion" is a brazen enough statement to give us clues to the motivation for wearing it." Realisticall,y Stephen, you're probably right, but I just think it's a fallacy to assume something political about somone because of a T-shirt... it implies that she supports abortion... but you never know. Maybe she was emotionally marred by the experience and she hopes people will ask her about it so she can encourage them to consider it heavily before jumping in. You never know. I happen to have a gay pride bumper sticker on my car, and I'm pretty straight... not even a bi-curious bone left in my body. Now, my boyfriend accuses me of being a metro-sexual, but I happen to consider it my small way of supporting a civil rights cause worthy of recognition. And I understand that people are going to think I'm gay, which is okay... but I can only hope the poeple who know me, and know I have a boyfriend, might consider why I'd have that sticker... and if they don't get it, I hope they'll ask. |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
quote: It's better than okay. If everyone thought everyone else was gay, discrimination would instantly become impossible. |
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Local Parasite
since 2001-11-05
Posts 2527Transylconia, Winnipeg |
Stephen, KMFDM is annoyingly political. Their name never used to have a really big political implication, although that's the original translation of it it's also been things like "No more power for you," which is another political statement again. My only statement is I like the band's music, at least early on, before all the good members left & it turned into another orange-crate band... Anyways, we were all teenagers once, and I'm sure we all have musical tastes that we're ashamed of. I guess mine could be said to reflect a similar nostalgia: "I used to listen to KMFDM too. Come talk to me and let's share our experiences." quote: Yeah! But then all the straight people would have to wear shirts that say "You may not think so but I'm really straight" or there'd be a whole lot of confusion. |
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Stephanos
since 2000-07-31
Posts 3618Statesboro, GA, USA |
Hush: quote: Amy, that's always possible ... just not probable enough to prevent the natural deduction that would lead me to suspect that they are "pro-abortion". And as to your example about gay bumper stickers ... it's the same thing really. Though you are not yourself a homosexual, you support the lifestyle in your ideology. It is unlikely that you would don such a bumper sticker, just to generate conversation, if you believed homosexuality to be wrong or immoral. Likewise, its doubtful that a woman who thinks abortion is wrong, would wear such a T-shirt. The thing directly analogous to your example would be a woman who never committed an abortion herself, but was still an advocate of abortion rights, wearing that T-shirt. And whether she's had an abortion or not, I would regardless be opposed to her abortion-friendly thoughts and ideals. LP: quote: That's true of me. But on reflection, (and this is what produces the tension about it), it is not always the actual "musical taste" but the naked essence of the lyrics' message, that I'm ashamed of. In fact I think my "rock and roll years" allowed me to hear some remarkably talented musical creativity. But as cowards can wear noble clothes, or as sharp hooks can be wrapped in great tasting hors d'oeuvres (otherwise known as bait), some of the most contemptible ideas ever, made really great songs ... by the sheer musical energy and talent of these bands. And I used to think a "great song" justified whatever message it contained ... for I assumed that to make a great song was the ultimate goal. But I think I changed as I realized that "to make a great song" wasn't always their goal. Not that they didn't immensely enjoy the musical aspect, but many of the songs were just vehicles to transfer their particular philosophical views, good or bad. Needless to say, I played rock n roll then (I'm a musician myself), and I still relish playing those riffs. You can't get the soul of rock n roll out of your system, even if it's a reformed soul. I just write my own lyrics now. And that's not to say there's not meaningful rock lyrics out there ... I'm just more selective than I used to be. Stephen |
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Kaoru
since 2003-06-07
Posts 3892where the wild flowers grow |
I'm really offended by Abercrombie & Fitch t-shirts. Not because they're Abercrombie & Fitch, but because they cost $25 dollars a piece, ON SALE! Okay, seriously, as I'd said I was going to step down before, I've found that I cannot. I have, however, changed my mind after giving it a lot of thought. If we were to keep people from wearing this particular shirt, or any other shirt stating a religious/political belief, then that would be taking away a very basic freedom. Freedom of speech is one of the most fought for, and important rights we've been granted as Americans. I would feel like a thief if I were to take part in taking any of that away. I know that some things, this in particular, are offensive..but that won't stop people from wearing it. My fight is for the reason. If there's a good reason, then why not? Well, yes, it will offend people, it will cause conversation. A shirt like that doesn't necessarily say (to me) "Please, come talk to me about abortion". It says, "Please, talk to your friends about my shirt". It all depends on how you read it. I'd be slightly offended, but in the long run, I'd get over it and forget about it. I'd talk about it, think about it, then write it off as another thing that I let bother me at one point. It would be hypocritical of me to judge a person based on 100% cotton. If I want to wear my slightly offensive band t-shirts, I have to accept that people will wear their slightly offensive political statements. Tit for tat, right? I don't like N'Sync, but there's nothing I can do about someone who does except for maybe tell them how much I hate their N'Sync t-shirt and that it offends me greatly that anyone would ever wear such an awful shirt. Then, I would be the one offending the N'Sync fan by basically saying, "I think your music taste sucks, therefore, you suck". It wouldn't be fair, and I certainly wouldn't like it if someone did that to me. So, whilst I don't agree with the message the shirt portrays, it isn't my decision or right to take away the right for the person to wear it. Nor is it my business why they decided to wear it. I'm done now. |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
But Ron... what about the kids??!! Stephen... like I said, in most cases, you're probably right... but I do think it's (reasonably) possible at least that rather than having a political agenda, someone might wear it as a status symbol, or to seek recognition for other women who've had abortions... from a healthcare perspective, it is a statment that could be correlated with something like "I'm a recovering drug addict." Like a hey, look, there's this thing in my past and I just want to get it out there sort of thing. But Stephen... dude... rock & roll? You? *gasp* no backwards Sabbath records I trust? Kaoru: "I don't like N'Sync, but there's nothing I can do about someone who does except for maybe tell them how much I hate their N'Sync t-shirt and that it offends me greatly that anyone would ever wear such an awful shirt." LOL- I laugh because I have a friend who would do just that. |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
Hmm... but Ron, the more I think about it... all the women would be liberated, and better yet, all the men would be sensitive, well-groomed, and smartly dressed. (I daresay they might even pick up after themselves?) And all to keep up appearances! |
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Kaoru
since 2003-06-07
Posts 3892where the wild flowers grow |
Hush: "I laugh because I have a friend who would do just that." Yeah, make that two friends. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
Make that three. My initial response to viewing the objectional shirt was a visual of me, wearing a shirt that said, "Oh YEAH? I just had a sphincteroidotomy!" and if you wanna know how to spell that, contact my insurance company anonymously. I'm not certain if inquiries are "covered."  |
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Stephanos
since 2000-07-31
Posts 3618Statesboro, GA, USA |
hush: quote: You referring to Black Sabbath, or to "back masking"? Why does that suprise you though? I'm a saved sinner, not an angel. Stephen. |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
Stephen- I was referring to both, actually. And no, I'm not suprised... I just have this mental picture of a long-haired metal head in the (late 70's? 80's?).... well, back in the day... and the comparison... well, yer' just so clean cut if I met ya, I think I'd wanna pinch your cheek... so you can imagine the conflicting images I have in my head, lol... Oh, and seeings how we're both already in the same thread and it's not really going anywhere anymore- the first week back to school was interesting... I just saw my first vaginal delivery today (!!grins!!). And, on a sadder note, I also saw my first miscarried fetus... very informative OB day though... |
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jbouder Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash |
Stephen: Glad to hear you weigh in on this ... but more glad I don't have to hang up Chevelle in favor of Stryper. But I can say without hesitation that I have given up Air Supply and ABBA without a trace of nostalgia. In the interest of remaining on topic ... I'd wear either of these, depending on the day ... http://www.cafepress.com/jibjabstore,jibjabstore.12997568?zoom=yes#zoom or http://www.cafepress.com/jibjabstore,jibjabstore.12997687?zoom=yes#zoom Jim P.S. Amy ... Watching the little-ones delivered is cool, huh? Saw both of mine born and mark those experiences as highpoints of my life. |
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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams |
freedom of speech...... unfortunitly there are the negatives. Sometimes you must open your mind as well, but at the same time be aware of the false hoods that exist. its the best way i can express my feelings on this subject. Juju |
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Stephanos
since 2000-07-31
Posts 3618Statesboro, GA, USA |
JIm, ABBA? Air Supply? You're showing your age and/ or a certain former lapse of reason. (I'm glad you're not here to slap me )I never got bogged down in the cheese-pits like that. The closest I got to that was Journey. But I felt that Steve Perry's seraphic vocals were worth putting up with the melodramatic sentimentality at times. Other than that, I was a mystic rocker for a while (Yes and Pink)... and then a philosophic rocker (Rush and Kansas) ... and then a nonrocker (listened more to modern Jazz, like Al Dimeola ... and classical) Now I'll listen to anything talented and exciting with a message that's not leading me into either moral failure, or existential despair. (90% of that stuff centered around just those kinds of things). But most of all, I enjoy making my own music. (I was a music major for 2 years, and studied classical guitar. Picked up folk, blues, rock guitar quite on my own). Anyway, that's totally off the subject, but I enjoyed talking about it. Oh, and about that Jib Jab ... now that's balance! If you're going to poke fun, poke to the right AND the left. Stephen. |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
Jim, I think you're the first person in the United States to openly and freely admit that they actually listened to ABBA!  |
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jbouder Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash |
Chris: It's part of my 12-step program. My therapist tells me I'm lucky - had I acquired a musical taste for Barry Manilow, I might have been irreparably harmed. Stephen: Now I am admittedly a rock junky - e.g., Drowning Pool, Smile Empty Soul, Kid Rock. I prefer catharsis to sedation ... what can I say? Jim P.S. Stephen - did you just call me old? |
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Stephanos
since 2000-07-31
Posts 3618Statesboro, GA, USA |
Jim, Did I call you old? I'm an R.N. and the only "air supply" I know of comes in steel tanks ... and is given to Geriatric patients. Read between the lines.  Stephen |
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