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I think George Bush is responsible for global warming |
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j0n4th4n Member
since 2003-03-11
Posts 94 |
At the Kyoto summit he said (or someone near him): "The USA will continue to pollute the world as long as this benefits it." Or words to that effect. I am annoyed at his use of "the USA". He should have substituted this for "this government". I mean, it instantly attracts hate towards the USA, and puts the blame on every American's shoulders unjustly. |
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Ringo![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
since 2003-02-20
Posts 3684Saluting with misty eyes |
While we're on the subject, I think he should be investigated for the Kennedy assassination as well... He NEVER did account for his whereabouts. Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again... |
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Balladeer
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Member Empyrean
since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Of course he is responsible!! He's got Kerry and his buddies so hot it's bound to raise the temperature of the Earth at least 10 degrees! ![]() He said - (or someone near him said) He said this - (or words to that effect) Is it just me or do I see some discrepancy here??? |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
We are talking about the 1997 Kyoto summit, right? He was there? Bush's position on the Kyoto protocols is that it wouldn't do much (if anything) for the environment and would hurt American competitiveness as developing countries were not held to the same standards as developed countries. As far as I can tell, the Kyoto protocols were more a symbolic gesture than anything else. Bush's rejection was a rejection of international cooperation towards global issues. |
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Aenimal Member Rara Avis
since 2002-11-18
Posts 7350the ass-end of space |
Well, in considering that: A. methane negatively effects the ozone layer B. a major source of methane is manure C. Bush and administration have been shovelling it for years now we can in fact conclude that George Bush is responsible, at least in part, for global warming ![]() |
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Ringo![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
since 2003-02-20
Posts 3684Saluting with misty eyes |
Raph- You change that from President Bush to politicians in general, and I think we might actually agree on something for the first time!!! lol Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again... |
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Midnitesun![]()
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
ROTFL at you Raph and Ringo. Yep, I think we all learned this in grade school, politics=manure. Actually, wasn't it Bill who rejected Kyoto? |
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Marshalzu![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
since 2001-02-15
Posts 2681Lurking |
"heh"... |
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Aenimal Member Rara Avis
since 2002-11-18
Posts 7350the ass-end of space |
Will do Ringo. There's a gaping hole being formed over the heads of our Liberal government here in Ontario. The alternatives? Ultra conservatives or Ultra socialists..guess who's not voting? |
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Sudhir Iyer Member Ascendant
since 2000-04-26
Posts 6943Mumbai, India : now in Belgium |
Surely, this one needs clarification... or am I daft? Maybe, I am ![]() ----------- At the Kyoto summit he said (or someone near him): who said this or who is him in this line |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
A more apt complaint might be that the Bush administration is attempting to lie to us about global warming as is well stated in the Union of Concerned Scientists http://www.ucsusa.org/ report entitled 'Scientific Integrity in Policymaking - An Investigation into the Bush Administration ’s Misuse of Science'. http://web.mit.edu/hemisphere/events/UCS_Bush-Science_Report.pdf Excerpts from the executive summary and thread-specific topic; quote: This is not just partisan rancor either -- this site http://web.mit.edu/hemisphere/events/bush-science.shtml references the 'high-profile' Republican officials who endorsed the report; quote: and from http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release.cfm?newsID=381 quote: |
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LoveBug![]()
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since 2000-01-08
Posts 4697 |
Hasn't this global warning stuff been floating around for years? It's sort of unfair to put it all on our most recent president, don't you think? Oh, make me Thine forever |
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Aenimal Member Rara Avis
since 2002-11-18
Posts 7350the ass-end of space |
is it fair? it's politics lol |
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Denise
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
There are those who dispute the gravity of and/or the authenticity of the global warming issue, as well as those who dispute the effectiveness of the proposed corrective measures, and/or see them as overkill, like open-heart surgery for heartburn, that can do more harm than good, and some see them as merely a way of controlling the economies of the more prosperous nations. I'm personally not well versed on the issue and the scientific studies make my head spin. How many actual degrees over a thousand year period are we talking about? To my understanding it is miniscule. What are the fears for planet Earth from a miniscule rise in average temperature over a thousand year period? What are the consequences to us in the here and now and what are the projected consequences to future inhabitants a thousand years or two or more thousands of years from now? Is there proof that the proposed corrective measures would actually help stop or reverse global warming, or is it just conjecture at this point? And if it is conjecture, shouldn't more research be done before we expect leaders to make major decisions that will impact trade and economic independence? And would global chilling be preferable? ![]() |
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Midnitesun![]()
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
Thanks, Reb Actually, we are already well past the turn-around-point, no matter what we do. In other words, if you want to see the glaciers? go now. |
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Not A Poet Member Elite
since 1999-11-03
Posts 3885Oklahoma, USA |
Someone needs to stop those cows from eating grass so they won't fart so much. |
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Ringo![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
since 2003-02-20
Posts 3684Saluting with misty eyes |
I apologize for not having the specific study in front of me, however I seem to remember seeing a reprot that the weather was warmer in the medieval times than it is now.... and that volcanoes do more damage than the human populace... explain that in the context of "the sky is falling"? Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again... |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
I don't have to be a scientist to infer that the clouds of smog I've seen surrounding cities like Detroit and Cleveland certainly don't appear to be natural or healthy... I don't necessarily believe the doomsday reports that claim coastal cities will be drowing in ten or twenty years... but let's see here... what does car exhaust do to us when it is expelled into a closed area, like a garage... oh, right... it kills us. Hmm... that's right, there's no way it could possibly be harming our environment to spew out such pollutatns, constantly. It's just plain common sense to figure that out, in my opinion. Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't have cars or anything (I mean, I certainly shouldn't drive the V-8 Thunderbird I drive, and on my next car, I'll probably bite the bullet and curb that need for speed by buying something a little more gas efficient)... but, anyway, I do believe it's important to try to reduce the emissions our cars cause, and I have read somewhere that the Bush administration is the first in quite some time to not tighten pollution standards... maybe that's true, maybe it's hearsay. Either way, I don't think he was around when we first started buring coal for heat so the whole phenomenon probably isn't just his fault... ![]() |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18910 quote: Frank O'Donnell |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5397654&src=rss/ElectionCoverage§ion=news quote: This is unrelated to environmental issues, but combined with LR's information, the pattern speaks for itself. Does it really matter if it's incompetence or playing with the numbers? |
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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams |
Well I don't meen to be smart....... but why would bush try to cover something that has been common knowladge since I was like in third grade. Was bush responcable for the ice age? I bet you want to know why I asked that? well our planet constantly goes through weather changes. On a second note our country is one of the greatest consumers of goods. Just maybe it is the people who live in the country, not the leader. You know what else when grut comes to grut poeple wont give up there cars for the train or bus. They would rather be in there own car then "Save the envirement". Personally the greatest threat to global warming is the cutting of the rainforrest. Unfortunetly we can't do anything about that(Its kinda in a different country). So what I am trying to get at is it is inane to put blame one one man. Sorry rebel for disagreeing, but I don't see why bush would cover up something that is common knowladge. There are programs, which (some) are gov. sponsered that send poeple to areas like brazil, to teach them about the rainforrest and bring in bee farming and other occupations in which they don't have to cut down rainforrest. If you want to stop global warming donate money to one of those groups. ....... Just a thought, as for Bush. I am sure Russia, germany, canada, wouldn't want the world to know there emissions/ how much they could improve. Other contries reawlly pick on us, I am sure bush said that when he was mad. At them...... -Now I know why guys age so bad when they become president...... -Don't want to be president. Juju |
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Denise
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
I'll give an ear to Al Gore and Robert Redford when these hypocritical, gas guzzling, jet-setting, limousine riding 'environmentalists' start living what they preach. Until then, I'm keeping my car. ![]() Brad, you did know that the State Department is flamingly anti-Bush, right? |
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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams |
No kidding. |
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Toerag Member Ascendant
since 1999-07-29
Posts 5622Ala bam a |
Yea, Bush had to shovel a hell of alot of manure just to get thru the doors at the White House....The Clinton's and Gore left enough for years of reconstruction and manure removing...Yanno what else?...I'll bet he knows something about where Jimmy Hoffa is....he probably supplied minors to Michael Jackson, and if the truth were to be known...he probably had something to do with Amelia Earhart's disappearance too.....I heard from a very reliable Democrat that he may have known about the Jap's plan to bomb Pearl Harbor months before it happened.....I think Ted Kennedy should spend a few million dollars to investigate these things....(I read recently that George W. Bush Sr. may have been the real driver of that Chappaquidic car incident)....John Kerry's Psychic said so..there has to be some merit to this...... |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
Hoffa? Pearl Harbor? Toe, I think that's the first time I've ever heard anyone accuse Bush of knowing something. ![]() |
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Midnitesun![]()
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
Well, I can't say as I would pin the temperature global warming on him, but... the global HEAT on Americans? I think he has a great deal to do with that. But of course, Bush is only one of many who have alienated billions of other earthlings. |
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Titia Geertman Member Ascendant
since 2001-05-07
Posts 5182Netherlands |
Can we blame him for anything else that's going wrong too???Please??? It would be very convenient you know. That way nobody will be obliged to take any responsability to whatever action they take. WOW. Titia Like scattered leaves...my words will flow |
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Toerag Member Ascendant
since 1999-07-29
Posts 5622Ala bam a |
You're right Ron, only you and Kerry and Hillary know everything....(Not her hubby Bill...he was actually Lassie in a Clinton suit and did what Hillary ordered until Monica), hey?..she may know more than all of us? |
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Sudhir Iyer Member Ascendant
since 2000-04-26
Posts 6943Mumbai, India : now in Belgium |
"shut-up mode" sudhir [This message has been edited by Sudhir Iyer (06-17-2004 10:12 AM).] |
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jbouder Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash |
Midnitesun: Fundamentalist Muslim ire toward America actually dates back to American support for establishing a Jewish state in Palestine. Read the 9/11 Commission Preliminary Report on the attacks and you can read clearly that the World Trade Center was targeted for not only its economic significance, but also for the Fundamentalist perception of the economic and media influence Jewish Americans have on the economy and information in the West. Pointing fingers gets us nowhere. One could just as easily say that Clinton's attempted cruise missile assassination of Bin Laden increased Osama's determination to strike back. But I think this is wrong also. It may take ten years or more to see the fruits (fresh or rotten) of Bush's strong stance toward terrorism - right now, I think judgment is premature. Jim |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
Jim, I would agree that conclusions are premature, but I would hope that judgments can be formed before November's election. We don't have the luxury of tasting the fruit before deciding whether more fields should be planted. |
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jbouder Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash |
Ron: quote: I don't think we will be able to with great accuracy. I think we're better served by looking to issues that are easier to assess (e.g., economy, education, etc.). Those, at least, are easier to judge on the merits. Jim |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
Some things can be judged in isolation, Jim, but not many. Most issues, after all, carry both a benefit to someone and a cost to someone else. Looking at one while ignoring the other is often selfish and always unwise. As just one example, while I'm sure no one would ever try to justify war by its positive effects on an economy, it would be dangerous to blindly accept those effects with no regard to cost. The war touches too many threads to be easily ignored. Even lacking great accuracy, I think we have to do the best we can to discern truth. As with every major choice we make in life, uncertainty can't be an excuse for indecision. |
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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams |
This is really funny. Juju |
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