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Huan Yi
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Waukegan

0 posted 2012-04-16 07:19 PM

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"So let’s talk about Newark for a second, our largest city, little over 275,000 citizens, a school district of about 70 schools, where we spend on average $24,500 per pupil per year. And for a young man or woman who is entering the ninth grade in Newark this year, they have a 29 percent graduation rate. Twenty-nine percent graduation rate,"

http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/ 2011/jun/15/chris-christie/gov-chris-christie-says-graduation-rate-29-percent/

“Estimated median household income in 2009: $35,963 (it was $26,913 in 2000)”

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Newark-New-Jersey.html#ixzz1sFV7X2HR

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Denise

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1 posted 2012-04-23 10:16 PM

The future dependent class in America that we will have to support. And that's only fair, right, since they will want everything for which we had to study hard and work hard. Redistribute that 'wealth' that you have! Society's 'victims' are counting on you to keep them in the style to which they have become accustomed.

Huan Yi
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Waukegan

2 posted 2012-04-24 07:07 PM

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I just recently read:
“Life at the Bottom: The Worldview That Makes the Underclass “
by Theodore Dalrymple, first published in 2003, which is about the
same and worst situation in England which, ( more so than Charles Murrray’s
“Coming Apart” ),shows this primarily to be a problem of
not of race or class but attitude.

But at some point it is simply unaffordable.   Just as you can’t expect
Germans to work until seventy so Greeks can retire at fifty, you can’t
expect the Chinese who have millions still living in caves to continue
loaning us money so our functionally illiterate can have food and board,
with cellphones, TVs, microwaves and DVDs.   And taking all the money
from the evil 1% won’t solve the problem.

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Denise

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3 posted 2012-04-24 08:58 PM

I agree completely John. Thanks, I'll check out that book.

moonbeam

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4 posted 2012-09-12 01:09 PM

The writer doesn't seem to understand the difference between the words "loan" and "give". What a nonsensical comparison.

Huan Yi
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Waukegan

5 posted 2012-09-12 02:07 PM

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At some point, as with Greece,
"loan" becomes "give" as in "forgiven"
because there's no real hope
of getting it back. But yes, that is
a Western notion and may play even less
well East of Berlin.

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moonbeam

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6 posted 2012-09-12 02:28 PM

Sure China will for"give" us our trespasses in return for a large chunk of the West or control of the IMF. Large levers can be uncomfortable.

And perhaps I was hasty, perhaps "giving" social aid in a Welfare State is really all about "investing" in morality and civilization - or possibly bribing for good behaviour? Or maybe it really is about alleviating poverty and desperation.

Local Rebel
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Southern Abstentia

7 posted 2012-09-12 04:32 PM

Well now, you can't have it both ways, although, conservatives are distinctly adapted to it.

The poor can't be poor because they are dumb and lazy, because, it's OBAMA's poor economic performance that's keeping them from getting jobs! It can't be their own fault Republicans, you have to tie it back to Obama, and pretend its all come about since Jan 20,2009.

Before that America was perfect!

Huan Yi
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Waukegan

8 posted 2012-09-12 05:17 PM

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http://ricochet.com/main-feed/The-Golden-State

Listen in starting at 37:00 minutes to Victor talk about the state of his state
both for an idea as to what part of the West we might offer China and what
for many beats Bolivia or Kenya.

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moonbeam

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9 posted 2012-09-13 09:48 AM

lol Rebel too true

Gawd all mighty Huan that was mind numbingly boring - give me the relevant slot to the nearest 2 minutes please, or I'll fossilize. :P

And Denise

There will always be:

Very low intelligence quotients

Illness

Disability

Bad luck

It seems to me that any society that refuses to incorporate some comprehensive structure to provided social and economic support to individuals who suffer any of the above cannot call itself “civilised”.

There will always be:

Malingering

Laziness

It seems to me that any society that recognises only the “stick” as a corrective, has only its own distorted perceptions to blame when the chickens come home to roost bearing graffiti spray and guns. (Now there's a zany image).

Huan Yi
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Waukegan

10 posted 2012-09-27 06:55 PM

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I’ll simplify Victor’s point.   California has created a system, (it can not afford),
where physically able people with no skills and little education can refuse available work and still live better than in Kenya or Bolivia or being employed at $12.00 an hour.

But I’ve been thinking , to those who avail themselves of such a
system it makes perfect sense to do so.  If by crossing a border or already simply being there you can live well while doing nothing in exchange except signing up why wouldn’t you?

What was it, Maslow’s hierarchy of needs they taught us about at university . . .

If you go to someone with no skills and little education in such a system and say no you should be working at $12.00 an hour and they respond:  “Why?”  what is the rejoinder?

Life’s too short.   Different people respond to that
in different ways.  What is a country and its government’s obligation to accommodate
the variation?

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[This message has been edited by Huan Yi (09-27-2012 07:36 PM).]

moonbeam

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11 posted 2012-09-28 04:25 AM

quote:< I’ll simplify Victor’s point. California has created a system, (it can not afford),
where physically able people with no skills and little education can refuse available work and still live better than in Kenya or Bolivia or being employed at $12.00 an hour.

But I’ve been thinking , to those who avail themselves of such a
system it makes perfect sense to do so. If by crossing a border or already simply being there you can live well while doing nothing in exchange except signing up why wouldn’t you?

Yes. And your point is?

Sorry, I'm not understanding here. Are you saying that the system in California is wrong because people cross the border to take advantage of it?

People are crossing borders all over the world to take advantage of better conditions.

Huan Yi
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Waukegan

12 posted 2012-09-28 10:38 PM

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So somebody breaks into your house
you're obligated to feed them?

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moonbeam

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13 posted 2012-10-01 05:19 PM

Hang on Hang on - who's talking about "breaking and entering"? Is it illegal to cross a State border? Are we talking about illegal entry into the US? I was thinking about movements within the EU for instance.

Huan Yi
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Waukegan

14 posted 2012-10-01 06:30 PM

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"Are we talking about illegal entry into the US?"

Yes

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moonbeam

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15 posted 2012-10-02 08:17 AM

Fine. Well then, it's the border controls that are at fault, not the welfare system surely?

Huan Yi
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Waukegan

16 posted 2012-10-09 07:12 PM

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“California may face the nation’s largest budget deficit at $16 billion. It may struggle with the nation’s second-highest unemployment rate at 10.6 percent. It will soon vote whether to levy the nation’s highest income and sales taxes, as if to encourage others to join the 2,000-plus high earners who are leaving the state each week. The new taxes will be our way of saying, “Good riddance.” And if California is home to one-third of the nation’s welfare recipients and the largest number of illegal aliens, it is nonetheless apparently happy and thus solidly for Obama, by a +24 percent margin in the latest Field poll. The unemployment rate in my hometown is 16 percent, the per capita income is $16,000 — and I haven’t seen a Romney sticker yet. . . .

It’s a veritable war these days in rural central California — as copper-wire thieves, gangs, drug lords, and fencers run amuck in a bankrupt state that can no longer afford to keep its felons incarcerated. President Obama soars with talk of amnesty and the DREAM Act. But if we are going to waive federal statutes for each illegal alien who we feel may some day become a neurosurgeon or an experimental chemist, can’t we at least enforce the law against those not in school and up to no good in the here and now, like the two sitting in my driveway phoning directions for local thieves to yank out copper wire?

Open borders, redistributionist socialism, therapeutic and politicized public schools, and public-employee unions finally are proving a match even for Apple, Google, Facebook, the Napa Valley wine industry, Central Valley agribusiness, Hollywood, Cal Tech, Stanford, and Berkeley. In California, it is a day-by-day war between what nature and past generations have so generously bequeathed and what our bunch has so voraciously consumed.

On any given day, beautiful weather, the Pacific Coast, and the majestic Sierra Nevada are trumped by released felons, $5-a-gallon gas, and a 1970 infrastructure crumbling beneath a crowded 2012 state.

There are many lessons from California. One is that the vision of the present administration is already here — and it simply does not work.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/329772/bankrupt-california-victor-davis-hanso n?pg=2

From this not so safe distance, it’s like “The Poseidon Adventure”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poseidon_Adventure_(1972_film)

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Brad
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Jejudo, South Korea

17 posted 2012-10-10 08:35 AM

quote:
Before that America was perfect!

That was perfect.

We have had 30 years of Republican rule. Are you angry?

The only thing you want is more of the same?

moonbeam

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18 posted 2012-10-16 09:48 AM

Yes after 32 years of Republican rule in California out of the last 46!!, and after 24 years of Republican Presidencies out of the last 40 - this is the state CA is in!

1970's infrastructure? Who's fault is that?

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