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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan 
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. To those, despite the lack of other resources, who don’t want to work to earn a living? My question is brought on by surveys that suggest that large numbers of men have chosen to abandon the workforce . |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
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Are you speaking of "discouraged workers?" Those would be people who've given up looking for work in the current economic conditions. Before trying to discuss the topic, I think that it'd be a good idea to be sure that we're trying to talk about the same group of people. If we are in fact talking about these people, what do we know about them before we start talking about obligation the nation has in relation to them? I would think that the information we have about them would have a lot to do with the sense of obligation the nation or any significant portion of the nation might have, wouldn't you? And then — beyond that, John — there might be different political points of view that would apply to the basic question that I think you are proposing: What should a right or left wing notion of the American Community ask of and require from its members? quote: I found the article below, explaining discouraged workers as a portion of the total employment picture of some interest because I saw it as fairly straightforward economic reportage. I remain open to a contradictory explanation of the data, but tend to believe that the data seems well presented simply because it doesn’t seem to be trying to pound home any particular political agenda, Republican or Democratic: http://lmi.ides.state.il.us/lmr/feb_10/feb10_2.htm I would like to pair the above article with the article below, which tries to take some of the same information and tries to put a pro-Republican spin on it without any of the background data the above article supplies. Information that is put in appropriate context in the first article and that the first article makes plain is the least significant element in the statistics; and, in effect, doesn’t have any noticeable effect on the economy at all, is, in the second article, hidden. The charts that would make the significance of the vital information, shown clearly in article one, aren’t even hinted at in article two, while the misleading fact that the numbers of discouraged workers had doubled was given significant play. The two articles really deserve to be read side by side. http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/256566/lowering-unemployment-rate-one-discouraged-worker-time I offer these thoughts and references as a way of thinking about the questions you seem to be suggesting worth exploring, and I’d be interested in hearing your response, or anybody’s response to these opening thoughts. Should you find them useful, of course. |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
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Perhaps not? |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. When all these men stop looking for work does the unemployment rate increase decrease or stay the same? Same question when someone retires and isn't replaced. . |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: If no jobs are added or lost and nobody left the workforce the unemployment rate would increase by roughly 90,000 per month (the number of people joining the available workforce). If the number of people who've left the available workforce exceeded 90,000 and no jobs were added or lost there'd be a net decrease and if the number of people leaving the available workforce matched exactly the number joining and no jobs were added or lost there'd be no change whatsoever.  |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
It depends on how much the nation can afford. The nation is the mother of the people in it and should provide for everyone indiscriminately to some extent, at least enough to try to keep all people well nourished, clad, sheltered and free from poverty. It doesn't matter what child you are, the busy or the lazy, the mother should try to take care of you as well as she can. |
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