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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
I’ve been looking around the interweb trying to find some details of the policies being put forward by the tea party folk. All I can find are general statements – less tax, small government, reduced spending etc. - but I can’t find any cohesive or detailed statements about how any of these are going to be achieved. I’m looking for detailed cost projections and projected savings as well as more detailed plans regarding how the targets and proposals will be achieved and over what timescales. Does anyone have any details or know where I might find some - or if any even exist? . |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Grinch, tea parties are just normal folks who want straight answers and believe the America is being taken for a ride by the current administration. They attended town hall meetings to get questions answered, which were not. They are not a political party. They are not a union. They are just people concerned about the future of the country. They are individuals. Are they smart enough to draw up plans for the country? No. They don't even try. They are simply looking for rational answers and they are not getting them. You don't have to be an otolaryngologist to know when something smells. |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
Thanks Mike, That sort of explains what I was trying to work out, I kept reading Tea Party proposals and couldn’t for the life of me work out how they were going to achieve their aims when most of them are seemingly incompatible. It makes a lot more sense if, as you say, they’re just a bunch of folks who don’t really know what they’re talking about. That raises another question though, what happens when they realise they’re simply building castles in the air that nobody can actually build? Won’t they be a tad disappointed? Shouldn’t somebody try to explain to them that what they’re aiming for is unachievable? . |
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Balladeer
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Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
what happens when they realise they’re simply building castles in the air that nobody can actually build? Won’t they be a tad disappointed? Shouldn’t somebody try to explain to them that what they’re aiming for is unachievable? I'm afraid I didn't describe them clearly enough, grinch. They are not interested in building castles or anything else. What they are aiming for is certainly attainable, although Obama's actions has made them unlikely. They simply want answers. They saw the government takeovers of businesses and they want answers. They see the costs of the stimulus bill and they want answers. They see the unemployment increase by over 25% - after the stimulus package -and they want answers. They see a brand new health care program for the country and they want answers. They didn't even begin with any demands, they simply wanted answers to their questions. They never got those answers, which has fostered distrust of the administration. The backdoor dealings and health care bills that are supposed to have existed but no one actually saw nurtured that distrust. Disregard for what the majority of Americans want nurtured that distrust further. What do they want? They want accountability for government intrusion into their lives. They fear Obama's policy of "redistribution of wealth". They want America to remain the place where one can work hard and be successful, without fear of the government coming in and taking it away. They are concerned about Obama's leadership and feel they have many reasons to be. If they felt Obama were a strong leader with their best interests at heart, there would be no tea party movement. They don't....neither do I. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. Margaret Thatcher made the point that the problem with socialism is that at some point you run out of other people’s money. The problem is we can’t pay for everything we want in the wonderful world of dreams, so at some point there is a reckoning with those who lent you the money to pursue them regardless. The tea party types to my mind are those who at least realize on a simple level that when the lenders are other countries there is no legislating against the reckoning to come. There is also of course the personal fear that should the government try to print its way out of the problem then all the dollars saved through sacrifice become less worth and worthy as a consequence. . |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
Mike, If they don’t know what they’re talking about and simply want answers, which sounds like a reasonable request, why are they asking for a specific set of proposals to be taken up? There’s a whole heap of them that they’re putting together. http://www.thecontract.org/ Huan, Unfortunately Lady Thatcher said a lot of things that didn’t make sense. . |
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Denise
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
We're going to take our country back...one vote at a time, by supporting candidates at all levels who respect the Constitution and therefore believe in small Federal government. Out with the arrogant socialists who don't listen and think they know better than the folks who have to pay the bills for their recklessness. |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
I didn't find any proposals there, grinch. Maybe I read it too fast? What they want, from what I can see, is a responsible government that respects their rights and the things Denise mentioned. They will use their voting power to achieve those aims. This is all because they did not get answers to the things that concerned them. What proposals are you referring to? |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
Mike, Click on the big button that says, “Vote for your top ten”. . |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Ok, thank you. I don't really call these proposals. They are simply common sense requests that any American should stand behind and rights given by the Constitution, such as demanding a balanced budget, protecting the constitution, end runaway government spending, protect freedom of the press and private property rights, etc. These aren't porposals. They are basic rights which have been changed or taken away by the current government. Rejecting cap and trade and setting term limits for congressmen are basically the only new things and even they have been discussed many times over the past years. They are not out to build castles, grinch. They simply want to be left alone to live in peace in the one in which they currently reside. They want their country back.,,,and their rights. They want congressmen to remember that THEY work for them. |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: ” Allow young Americans the choice of opting out of Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes, creating both real financial security in retirement through the freedom to own your personal retirement savings, and reducing the long-term unfunded liabilities of the federal government” This only makes sense Mike, common or otherwise, if you want to end social security and Medicare because, in effect, that’s exactly what it’ll do. Is this a good example of what any American should stand behind? . |
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Denise
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
Sure, start to put an end to the government Ponzi scheme by allowing a portion of funds that younger workers are already paying into the system to be invested and allow future generations a chance at real personal security. There will be some pain to go through, but there's no way around that with the way the system is set up. Social Security will be bankrupt way before any of them can collect on it anyway. |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
I have to say, in all honesty, I don't know why that is in there. The Tea Party movement began with hundreds of groups showing up at town hall meeting. There was actually no connection between them, other than the fact that they had questions they wanted answered and they wanted government accountability for their actions. it seems to me that someone decided to initiate a Tea Party Movement home base, created a website and sent out surveys to thousands of Tea-Partiers. This list is probably a compilation of the surveys they received. How many votes did each point get? Who can say? I doubt the average tea-partier would consider that an imperative point since I have never seen it mentioned. Denise is right about Social Security, though. |
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Denise
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since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
You're right Mike. They were items submitted by Americans and anybody can go in and vote on the ones they feel should be the top ten items focused on in 2010. The voting is ongoing. |
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JenniferMaxwell
since 2006-09-14
Posts 2423 |
Informed Teabaggers: Tea Party Express II: Rise Of The Tea Bags (Part 1 of 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntrrUzNiggQ&feature=fvw |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Wow! I hope you have something more convincing than that sleaze-ball, Jennifer. If that video is supposed to represent something, it simply represents how idiotic (and desperate) left-wingers can be.  |
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JenniferMaxwell
since 2006-09-14
Posts 2423 |
The Rand Paul rally in Frankfort, Kentucky 3/27/2010 “Stop the Feds or we will” http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs460.ash1/25282_127 5988901282_1276755437_30696118_2918392_n.jpg http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs460.ash1/25282_127 5986181214_1276755437_30696055_2699639_n.jpg |
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JenniferMaxwell
since 2006-09-14
Posts 2423 |
Searchlight Teabagger Rally http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uoy8J_8Ka8&feature=player_embedded |
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Denise
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
Enlightening article. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=133829 |
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JenniferMaxwell
since 2006-09-14
Posts 2423 |
The guy who threatened Cantor ALSO threatened Obama, Babe the Pig, and others Norman Leboon, a Threatening Kind of Guy By David Weigel 3/29/10 3:31 PM The man arrested in Philadelphia for a video death threat made against Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) did not limit his activity to the GOP minority whip. At his YouTube account, going by the name shiamuslimcantbestop, Leboon recorded hundreds of rambling, poorly-lit video threats against movie studios, politicians, religious figures and media pundits. http://washingtonindependent.com/80811/norman-leboon-a-threatening-kind-of-guy |
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Denise
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
Another good article. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=133893 |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
Posts 4208 |
It was an interesting article, Denise. I think Mr. Buchannan may have misremembered few things, though. And I think you might have, as well. I won't claim that I haven't, but then, I'll count on you to correct me. First, no, it wasn't The Night of Shattered Glass, thank goodness. That was an hysterical over-reaction, if that's what you heard. What I saw with that some of my friends felt it was a small-scale replay of The Night of Broken Glass. You can say my friends had their facts were wrong. You can't say that my friends had their feelings wrong, any more than I could say something that outrageous about you and your friends in the Tea Party. Feelings are feelings. They are vivid, and they are real, though they may or may not be appropriate to the time and place they have shown up, and they may be overdressed or underdressed for the party they are attending. This is after all, one of our greatest fears, isn't it, that we'll show up at the formal ball wearing underwear, or at the pool party in a tux or a party dress. (Now George, don't wear that silly party dress to the next pool party! You do remember how people were so amused when you showed up at that last one in the white Taffeta over-the shoulder number last year, and it was after Labor day! George! — You Listen when I'm talking to you!) Emotionally it's the same. That's one of the tough things about PTSD, the emotions are so raw, and they're so out of place. The politicians took them much more in stride. Nobody pressed charges, though I thought they really should have. It simply would have made things worse I suppose, though I don't know for sure, and I certainly didn't think so at the time. The left, near as I can tell, hasn't been trying to whip people up into a rage about this stuff; the right has. "Tiller the Baby-Killer," was what they were calling the guy on national media before they got somebody whipped up enough to shoot him in church. Then, what-his name called Rep. Hoyer, one of the most Pro-Life folks in the House "A Baby-Killer" on the air during the debates on the Insurance bill, implausibly trying to fob his comment off as being about the silly bill instead of the man himself in the statement What's-His-name, from Texas, made a day or so later, after keeping his head down hoping that he could come up with some excuse that sounded less lame than the one he actually used. He evidently couldn't find one. Mr. Buchannan then went out of his way to rehash the vietnam war. He also spoke of the terrible wrong done to LBJ. I happen to agree with him that it's sad that LBJ's legacy with Civil Rights was marred in memory by his actions in Vietnam. I will always treasure his leadership in civil rights and in the fight against poverty. I think he was a noble guy in a lot of ways, though not about his Vietnam policy, which hurt a lot of Americans in the long run. Mr. Buchannan raised a lot of specters, and wasn't quite truthful about some. He confounds the difficulties in 1965 in New York, for example, with the problems in 1967, 68, and 69 across the country. He says they were the result of actions of the left. Again, this is only part truth. The actions in New York were a result of how the southerners were treating civil rights workers in the south and how indifferent the local governments seemed to be in response. I guess Mr. Buchannan counts on the public not to remember police dogs attacking civil rights workers; or if we do remember, we are apparently not supposed to mind. And Mr. Buchannan is apparently forgetting the later disturbances were in reaction to actual events, such as the assassinations of Martin Luther King, RFK, and the invasion of Cambodia. I may be forgiven for making these assumption because I notice that while Mr. Buchannan mentions the anger of the left wing, he seems so much to have forgotten that there were actual events that set these things off that he neglects to mention them to give these events a background or framework or context that might make them understandable. He also speaks as though he himself would have supported LBJ in 1968, when he was in fact a speachwriter for Richard Nixon and a fixture in that whitehouse. I do wish I had access to a lie detector — boy, do I have a list of yes or no questions that I'd like to ask Mr. Buchannan! |
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