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Huan Yi
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0 posted 2008-05-10 05:23 PM


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insulting a woman’s intelligence?


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1 posted 2008-05-10 06:29 PM


When it's by Rod McKuen
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2 posted 2008-05-11 12:43 PM


When she asked for a diamond-ring instead
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3 posted 2008-05-11 02:24 PM


after she has told you that she really doesn't care for poetry.
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4 posted 2008-05-11 03:20 PM


If you gave her one and that's what she said? Dump her!

Or maybe she writes poetry and when you handed her the book she thought "doesn't he think my stuff is poetry"...and then said the part about insulting her intelligence.

Or just maybe...the book of poetry was one of those dumb limerick 'only read while in the bathroom things'...that would insult my intelligence!!

Does that help? LOL


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5 posted 2008-05-12 04:46 AM


Dear Huan Yi,

           This sounds like a question that I should be able to answer, but when I try to think about it I find I don't understand it.  I know I should understand it, but when I try to find some angle of approach to formulate an answer, the question seems to evaporate.

     I might be able to take a shot at, "When is giving a person a book of any particular sort appropriate or not appropriate?"  Or "What might a person have to do to make another person feel as though their intelligence was being insulted?"  

    Rather than deal hypothetically, I I like to think about these things in terms of my own experience and the experience of people I know or have worked with.

     I have given and gotten books of poems from friends of both genders without anybody's intellect being visibly or audibly abused.  If the poetry is tasteless, as Jim implied,
you may take your chances; or if your taste is not shared.
If your gift is sincere and well selected, and still the other person finds their intelligence has been insulted, you have more serious issues to worry about in your relationship than mutual taste in poetry.  Male or female.

     If this is the case, I've generally had a basic issue in the fit between my friend and myself that I need to address.  I usually make a hash out of this until I'm lucky enough to realize whatever piece I have in keeping the stuff going.  Sometimes, of course, this doesn't happen.  When it does, I usually experience a release in the form of a blast of belly laughter at how silly I'm being.  It's sort of an implosion rather than an explosion.

       It generally helps me to think of the situation as an issue in the space between the two of us, and not inside either one of us.  I realize this is not the kind of answer you may have been looking for, but it is the kind of response the question ended up summoning in me.

     My best to you, BobK.

    

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6 posted 2008-05-12 07:38 AM


Just popped in to crack up at Jimbeaux's reply...


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7 posted 2008-05-12 10:04 AM


...when she doesn't understand it.

And Jim???






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8 posted 2008-05-12 10:10 AM


grin...I knew Sunshine would show up.

She's McKuen's avenging angel!

*laughing*


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9 posted 2008-05-12 11:36 AM




Hey...he's the one that pushed all the
write buttons!!


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10 posted 2008-05-12 12:02 PM


Wanna share groupie stories?

(If I had money, it'd be on me.)

*laughing*

Sorry, John. I shall return to the subject.

If it is a romantic gesture, I think that just a poem by you for her would suffice--especially if nicely framed, accompanied by a rose, in an intimate setting, maybe a bottle of wine?

*shrug*

Chicks dig me.

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11 posted 2008-05-12 01:00 PM


Sunshine -- Look at what McKuen did to you! Turned a perfectly nice lady to a life of rhyme.

Karen:  Why do we become chick magnets when no longer interested?  A girl, well, a forty year old girl, gave me her card in a bar last month.  I was just there to pick up food (honest).  Of course, I'd just had my first haircut in a year.  Maybe I'm irresistable when cleaned up.

John: I gave woman friend a collection of my poems.  Her response:  "Well, I can see you are very depressed."  

Passing on poetry is not quite like passing on herpes, but sometimes it provokes the same level of appreciation.      

Bob K:  "It generally helps me to think of the situation as an issue in the space between the two of us, and not inside either one of us."  

Done est?

Best, Jimbeaux  

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12 posted 2008-05-12 01:35 PM


Ok, to share another story, but first

Jim...you pun!



No, actually, a young man DID give me a book of poetry, once. I still have it, along with his notes.

So, let's ask the question: are you giving her, John, a book of your own poetry?

Or of someone else's?

Poetry, like choosing liver for supper, is to know an acquired taste.

It's not for everyone.


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13 posted 2008-05-12 07:24 PM


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When is giving Her a Book of Poetry

insulting a woman’s intelligence?
Absolutely NEVER !!!!

That is assumming that she HAD any intelligence to begin with !!!

AND Rod McKuen is STILL among my favorite poets to read ... I have ALL of his books !!!

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