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A Romantic Heart Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-03
Posts 5496Forever In Your Heart 
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Received This in an Email Today... Subject: Who is Barack Obama? Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice. If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it. We checked this out on "snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself. Who is Barack Obama? Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. Hi s father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.? When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that he is not a radical. Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husba nd of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now w aging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CH RISTIAN when seeking major public office in the Un ited States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches. Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!! Please forward to everyone you know. Would y ou want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!!! |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
Thanks for highlighting this piece of drivel but you should have deleted this as soon as you got it because it contains a dangerous virus, it won’t trash your hard drive or damage your PC because it‘s a virus of the mind. It’s called blatant racism. I’ll give you a piece of advice, if you find a candidate that condones or promotes the opinion expressed in this e-mail under no circumstances have anything to do with him, you’d be far better off with a Muslim or Atheist than a card carrying racist. [This message has been edited by Grinch (01-16-2008 06:30 AM).] |
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Midnitesun
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
I heartily echo Mr Grinch. Scroll down to the end of the snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem link, don't just look at the first photo and blurb. Get the facts straight, please, and refrain from religious/racist garbage. Don't just cut and paste the parts you THINK support your POV. In addition, Muslim-phobic comments do not further our national beliefs in equality and freedom to accept whatever religion (or none) we choose. Read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution again. [This message has been edited by Midnitesun (01-16-2008 08:43 AM).] |
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secondhanddreampoet Member Ascendant
since 2006-11-07
Posts 6394a 'Universalist' ! |
I am not likely to support Barack Obama because he often reminds me of a ('slick') snake oil salesman of the late 19th. century; however, it might be useful for folks to get their facts straight before opening their mouths or uncapping their pens; etc. 1. Mr. Obama is a Christian; 2. He was 'sworn in' on a Christian bible; 3. He has definitively LED congress in the 'pledge of allegiance' to the U.S. flag on several occasions. In my ever-most-humble opinion, the present 'executive branch' of the U.S. government already encompasses far, FAR more to fear than Mr. Obama... what this nation does NOT need is 4-8 more years of an ultra-'rightwing' administration of person(s) [with self-styled 'emperor' aspirations] who are willing to use any and all available "W.M.D.s" [that's Weapons of mass DECEPTION"] against the American people (and democracy) in order to attain their personal/political goals! [This message has been edited by secondhanddreampoet (01-16-2008 12:27 PM).] |
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Abe Senior Member
since 2003-05-28
Posts 694Looks like Vero Beach, FL until the end! |
ok Del "Abe" Jones Mankind's greatest accomplishment is not the revolution of technology, it is the evolution of creativity. [This message has been edited by Abe (01-16-2008 02:16 PM).] |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
Abe, Thanks [This message has been edited by Grinch (01-16-2008 05:06 PM).] |
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ArtSolstice Member
since 2007-03-18
Posts 498 |
Ms. ARH, Your post suggests that the US is exclusively a Christian nation. Ira Krakow, in his essay on the US Constitution, gives a strong response to your post. Please permit me to direct your eye to the US Constitution Article VI, Paragraph 3: “…no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” If you read nothing else, ARH, please read George Washington’s letter to Truro Synagogue, the oldest synagogue in the United States, after his visit to Newport, Rhode Island's Jewish community. In it, you will find the words imprinted in the hearts of many of our new Americans: The state “gives bigotry no sanction.” It is presented as part of Mr. Krakow’s essay, reprinted below. ````````````````````````````````````````` Link to copyrighted blog post [This message has been edited by Ron (01-16-2008 08:50 PM).] |
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Midnitesun
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
 Standing ovation for ArtSolstice!You rock! |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
If I had received such an e-mail with rumors like this and I was concerned about something like living according to the Ten Commandments (such as not bearing false witness), and the sayings of Jesus like -- do unto others as I'd have them do unto me... I would actually check the facts before I passed them on to a friend, and certainly before I posted them on the WWW. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. Are we saying one’s religion has no influence on how one would govern as well as to what or whom one would listen to in doing so; and therefore should not be considered in choosing whom to vote for? I'm thinking of Joe Lieberman whom I personally like yet I have no doubt where he is and would be regarding the Middle East. . |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
Huan, Are you judging him based on his actions or stated intentions or pre-judging him based on his religion alone? I’m presuming, because you say you have no doubt, that it’s the former and I think that’s how everyone should decide which candidate to support. One of your former Presidents understood the importance of the distinction between a President who is religious and a religious President. quote: John F. Kennedy |
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oceanvu2 Senior Member
since 2007-02-24
Posts 1066Santa Monica, California, USA |
I have to wonder who dissemenates by email the sort of truly ugly nonsense copied in the originating post. Did the email have a header indicating the source of orgin as all do, even those from Khazakstan? Thank goodness for the opportunity to dump such e's into spam, and not re-receive as chain vitriol. Oh Yes, and a simple check per Reb's suggestion os the snopes site CONTRADICTS AND DENIES THE TRUTHFULNESS of the email quoted in the post, FROM THE SNOPES SITE'S OWN MEASURES OF VALIDATION. Best, Jim |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
Grinch, I believe Joe could do nothing that would imperil the existence of Israel as a Jewish state and consider himself faithful to his faith and for him I believe his Judaism trumps the country in which he lives. Now as I said, I personally like the man, (and I also agree with the purpose of Israel’s existence), but for anyone else to ignore or discount the influence of his religion on his judgments and decisions would be folly. For some people being good with their God matters first. Personally I would prefer an atheist. PS JFK was not very RC . |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
Huan, quote: The question should be was he very American? quote: John F. Kennedy http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600 |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. "The question should be was he very American?" My answer would be yes in that he was more a Kennedy than anything else, yet as such it disqualifies him as a guide in judging anyone who is truly devote when considering him or her for office. . |
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Abe Senior Member
since 2003-05-28
Posts 694Looks like Vero Beach, FL until the end! |
Didn't have the time to set this right yesterday. I stand by what I said although I did add "A RADICAL" to the copy of the email I sent. (below) I am no racist and defend anyone to believe in any religion they like. The message about Obama has been sent to me by people who claim to be good christians and that is why they were specifically referenced. This is a reply I have sent to others who have sent me the bs about Obama > "I wish all the people who don't like Obama would just admit they are just plain RACIST and be done with it, instead of trying to spread the "muslim" bit. Has nothing to do with whether someone is for/against Obama! At the least, how about a little bit of integrity out there in our so-called "christian" society. (or maybe going to the trouble to check something out before passing it along!) There's no doubt the radical muslims are a scourge and very dangerous but............ Abe This to one of the potential "Obama" senders who asked me if it was true before she forwarded it. > Gail, all you have to do to check any of these hoaxes is simply go to www.snopes.com and type in a pertinent part of the message as I did below by just typing in Obama. If I had any idea he was A RADICAL muslim, please know, I would be the first and loudest protesting him. Thanks for taking time to ask about this before forwarding! Have a good one, Del" Hope this clarifies my position! Abe Del "Abe" Jones |
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ArtSolstice Member
since 2007-03-18
Posts 498 |
Huan Yi, Richard Nixon was a Quaker. I know you remember Viet Nam. I certainly do. Re: Lieberman? You may well be correct. Many Christians would also agree with policy supporting Israel for a lot of reasons, many of them equally religious in orientation. Our Consititution says “…no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” As Americans, it is our privilege to consider our choices and vote as we please. Respectfully, ArtSolstice |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
"Richard Nixon was a Quaker. I know you remember Viet Nam. I certainly do. " But you have to say then he wasn't much of a devoted Quaker and I think the degree devotion has to be taken into consideration. We assume candidates wear their religion lightly to be thrown off when personally or politically inconvenient. How does a devote anything, in faith, in conscience, negotiate with or subordinate his God for the sake of political advantage, (unless he only does so as a temporary deception to gain a position whereby he can then act according, to his faith, to that God)? The Constitution is concerned that no one by law be excluded from candidacy or office by virtue of religion; it does not and should not prohibit consideration of a candidate’s religion and most importantly his devotion to it and its tenets by those voters considering him for office. John PS “Oh, God, hasten the arrival of Imam al-Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those to attest to his rightfulness.” President Ahmadinejad At Columbia University |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. I don’t think Barack Obama sees himself as a “black” man anymore than Alexander the Great saw himself as Macedonian and that makes him attractive as a candidate . |
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SouthernJustice Member
since 2007-12-15
Posts 159 |
This Ole Politically Incorrect Untra Nationalist Duncan Hunter-ite hates to see anything he agrees with Grinchie on, BUT ***** OUTTA ***** TO GREENIE THIS ONE ANYWAY!  Mind you Im no fan of Rush Limbaugh , But I'll Give Mitt Romney THIS ONE, Change .. THAT IS WHAT YORUE GONNA HVE LEFT IN YORU POCKET IF BARRACK OBAMA IS PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES... And it is NOT Mitt Romneys Being a Mormom that turned me against Rush. LImbaugh SUpports a Mormom, He has my blessings. It is somethign Limbaugh said about Michael J FOx and Perkins Disease. My poppa saw HIS poppa suffer UNIMAGINABLY Because of Perkins Disease. I have not FOrgiven RUsh Because of that, at least not yet. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. Is there anything about him being a devout Mormon that should be considered when voters are contemplating a candidate for President? . |
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SouthernJustice Member
since 2007-12-15
Posts 159 |
http://yedda.com/questions/Mormonism_Mike_Huckabees_race_1865140046112/ Heres one viewpoint. Go to google Serach engine enter "Mitt Romney, Mormonism and the Presidential Race" |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
Posts 4208 |
I would be interested in knowing if A Romantic Heart's thoughts have been affected one way or another by this discussion? What parts of the original information does she still understand to be accurate? Does she believe that somebody has been distorting the truth and attempting to dupe her, either in the original posting or in some of the reactions that have come later? Mostly, I'd like to thank her for having the courage to bring these bits of data (though I believe much or all of it to be misinformation) to the site's attention. I think it takes courage in a forum where you know that everybody may not agree with you. How can we, all of us, check out the facts of this in a way that we find believable. No matter what our emotional reactions, there ought to be some mutually congenial way of finding out the facts. What are the pieces of truth about which we are disagreeing here? I mean, what are they, EXACTLY? If we can be clear enough about them, there ought to be sources of fact we can agree are authoritative. So what EXACTLY are our points of disagreement? As the person who was initially upset enough to bring the subject up, I'd like to suggest A Romantic' Heart is most qualified to take the first shot at saying which points in the report she finds most disturbing. Rather than calling her names, why not simply find a place that we all agree offers a good source of facts, and check these reports out. I doubt that a Romantic Heart sees herself as a racist; and calling her one seems only to drive her from the conversation. I believe her fear is honest; and though I disagree it's likely to have a realistic basis, to deal with A Romantic Heart respectfully requires a point by point evaluation. I would expect the same, were the situation reversed, as I hope most of us would. If I'm wrong, I'm fully prepared to say to A Romantic Heart where and how I was wrong, and to attempt to repair any strain between us as best I can. We're writers, after all; banging heads against blank pages is painful enough without turning potential allies against us without at least a good attempt to check out the reality of the situation. We , or at least one or two of us—Ben?— have been trying to do this, but we need A Romantic Heart's help if we're going to actually address her problems with Obama; not, by the way, my first choice. Anyway, I'm not entirely sure I know anybody who doesn't have some sort of race issues on some level; the point is not whether we have them, but whether we let them run our lives and prevent our making connections with people from other cultures. Any thoughts, folks? Affectionately, BobK. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
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I'd just like to go on record that I would like advance notice in the event that people start burning witches. Again. |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
Posts 4208 |
Dear Serenity Blaze, No burning intended by me. If you remember, similar e-mails were circulated about Republican candidates during the South Carolina Primary during the last election cycle, and they were smears as well. I believe you were a victim of the same sort of thing here and were taken in. That's not your fault. There's somebody sending these things out on purpose, and they know exactly which buttons to push. If you can help unwind the distortions, you'll be doing the whole election process a favor, I believe. But if you're feeling a bit taken aback by the response, I'm sorry. The response, I think, was to the contents of the message and not to the well meaning lady who thought she was trying to warn her friends. If there are witches here, I mean actual evil, Serenity, think about the people who set you up to take this particular fall and now leave you bewildered and too nervous to check with your friends to see what the truth is. That's pretty evil to my mind. What have you done but try to help and warn out of what seemed (and may still seem) like legitimate concern for your community? Thanks for even having the courage to respond to my posting. Maybe we can all find out some truth together here. Writers like truth, don't we, even when we're not sure what it is and even when we disagree about it? Bedst to everybody, BobK. |
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TomMark Member Elite
since 2007-07-27
Posts 2133LA,CA |
"But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes ' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil. This is what I believe. |
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Mistletoe Angel 
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
This particular ad hominem on Barack Obama is just as baseless as those individuals responsible for the attacks on John McCain prior to the GOP South Carolina primary this weekend, who accused McCain of being a traitor, when he certainly obviously is a military hero. For well over a year now, certain pundits and activists have been trying to make his name an issue. Don Imus' producer Bernard McGuirk did just that for months, and even called his name a "Jew-hating name", and certainly such mud-slinging didn't negatively affect Obama's momentum. In fact, his campaign has been on the upswing in the months ever since that began to really happen. Look, over a year ago John Vause of CNN and other sources confirmed that the school Obama attended in his young years was in fact NOT a Jakarta Wahhabi school whatsoever, but a public school accomodating of all faiths. And the fact that Insight Magazine first ran those "madrassa" accusations, declaring the sources to the story anonymous and saying none other than that they were "close to the background check" already severely damages any credibility of what has unfortunately become a recurrent spectacle in quite a few media circles, continuing to recycle already disproven logical fallacies. * Look, it's easy to criticize and/or question Obama if he has the qualifications and experience that are often considered important for the presidency. While I appreciated Obama's honesty in answering the question at the Democratic candidates' most recent debate on what their main weakness was, where he said that he has never played an executive role and also has a propensity of losing his papers/being disorganized and needs to rely on staff to keep him organized, it still calls into question whether he's fully aware of just how great the responsibilities are in the top executive office in the land, and if being a visionary is ever really enough in leading a nation. But these dirty tactics are quite pathetic, in my opinion, just as I thought the tactics some played on George W. Bush's military records or inarticulate manners of speech were/are. So, who is Barack Obama, you say? We're all going to have various, differing answers on that question. What we do know, however, is that he is a member of the United Church of Christ, not what Insight and others have been suggesting. Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" Mother Teresa |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
Atheists and Muslims and Radicals... oh my! What's the world coming to? I'm probably alone in not really caring if he's atheist or Muslim... and probably equally alone in being a little offended by the rebuttal of "Hey! He sure is Christian! Leave him alone!" Because, it would be totally cool to knock him if he wasn't, right? |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
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Dear Hush, The smear is in the willful distortion of fact to the end of alienating one group or person from another. It reverberates well past the initial piece of disinformation. In fact, the content of the poison pill is not terribly relevant in many cases. The fact the you would have a secondary upset with those who do care about denomination is a bonus for those who concocted the smear in the first place, since it further fragments and alienates the voting public and blinds them to their own interests, and discourages them from making useful alliances. For example, those christians who may have feelings about somebody who is Muslim being elected (even if Obama is not a Muslim and the feelings might run contrary to the religious test clause and you feel and I feel it's irrelevant anyway) and yet feel that torture is a strong issue on religious grounds making an alliance with folks who have similar feelings about torture and couldn't care less about the religious issue. Any split like this is great for enemies of democracy, and this is why they are so quick to use tactics of this sort. They work if we permit them to. The person who dug out the facts on the madrassa issue was able to shed more light than heat. The heat keeps us warm, which is useful, though we must be careful not to get so hot the engine freezes. The light shows us the way we may travel. We need both, but perhaps the light a tiny bit more. And no, it wouldn't be cool to knock him if he wasn't a Christian. If you see that here, I'll register my anger too; but let's not get the original smear get up compounding the issue by smearing each other. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. “A great leader needs to take his lumps. But as long as you have grievance groupies like Al Sharpton accusing squirrels and end tables of racism, then it's impossible.” http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324566,00.html . |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
Posts 4208 |
Dear Huan Yi, I didn't understand the excerpt; I don't understand the man's statements either. The evade reason. I think, however, that what he's trying to say is that any charge of racism is as absurd as a patently spurious charge of racism, such as one that might be leveled at a squirrel or an end table. All charges of racism, which Mr Gutfeld appears to feel are absurd, are therefore nonsense. And the opprobrium that adheres to those who act or speak in such a fashion should not so adhere. Not all such charges are equally well founded. Many such charges I believe are directed through misunderstanding or out of a malicious motivation of some sort. There may be some justification for such behavior; I can't imagine it. The benefit is sad, and petty and miserable, and should be unmasked, as appears to have been the case with the Duke Lacrosse team. Actual racism deserves what it gets. To attempt to explain away such real and wretched behavior with such superficial and confounding language does little service to the community. Indeed, the community can regard itself as not so subtly poisoned by such appeals to the most unreasoning parts of ourselves. While I've suspected Mr Jefferson's relationship with a black woman since 1965, when I first saw a chess set carved at Montecello and at that time on display there that showed Mr. Jefferson as both White and Black Kings and with, I believe, Mrs Jefferson as the White Queen and a strikingly beautiful Black woman as the Black Queen, I had never been told that Mr. Jefferson was himself Black. This is indeed striking new biographical information to me, and I would love to know the attribution of this. Also James K. Polk. I've got to say, Huan Yi, I am totally puzzled by what you mean here in offering this link. Sincerely scratching my head here in LA, BobK. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. I think, though with humor, the central point is correct; any critical view, as others would be subject to, risks the charge of racism. “And if you disagree with me, . . .” . |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
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Dear Huan Yi, Yes. I think any honest discussion of racism does risk that charge. I went to Simmons for social work school, and am proud of that; but there was discussion of race and racism that certainly got very heated. The charge got chucked around, and on occasion in my direction. I never enjoyed that. The teachers were uniformly decent, though, and tried not to let anybody dismiss anybody else, and that helped. I've found that the nature of these discussions, if I'm to have them honestly, is bound to have some pain involved for me. I'm obligated (as a liberal, actually) to listen and to understand what the other person is saying, and to try to make sense out of it. I don't have to agree, but if I don't leave myself open to the possibility that I'm wrong, then the discussion probably isn't an honest one on my part. I don't have to demand the same from the other side, but it does help, doesn't it? I do have to fail frequently, because I'm human. I also need to keep returning until I feel I've got it right, even after repeated failures. I can't always afford my own ideals, but if I don't try, nobody's about to do it for me. So, the reason for having as painful a discussion with as painful and as difficult a downside as one on racism is if I'm not willing to be a fool, why would I expect anybody else to put their dignity out there either. So, John, that's the best I can do for now. Somebody once told me that there was a midaeval convention for breaking off a letter. I've never actually seen it used, but I've always been charmed at the thought. My candle is guttering and the ink well is frozen. That's all for now. BobK |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. If Barack Obama is painted, for reasons beyond his control, as the “black” candidate, the Democrats will lose the election. If Hilary Clinton is painted, for reasons beyond her control, as the “ woman” candidate, the Democrats will lose the election if women fail to accept being a woman is standing by her man despite his infidelity to her. . |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. Just what in detail is this “change” that Obama keeps banging on about? Also, ( and this is apropos of an argument actually brought up on National Review in a discussion with Shelby Steele), is “white guilt” a legitimate path to the presidency? . |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
since 2008-02-06
Posts 76FL-USA |
Mr. OBAMA is a member of the UNITED CHURCH of CHRIST and his step-father was a PAKHISTANI - which leads to all sorts of 'Freudian/Yungian/Adlerian' analysis of why he wanted/wants to invade PAKHISTAN?! OBAMA was the editor of the HARVARD LAW REVIEW when he attended that law school. As far as his politics - OBAMA is 'liberal/progressive/socialist' with very little concept of the real world or how it does/does not work. |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
since 2008-02-06
Posts 76FL-USA |
As far as your 'worries'about HILLARY CLINTON or BARAK OBAMA - this scenario was envisaged by MASTER SHAKESPEARE in his play 'TITUS ANDRONICUS'[what i believe to be SHAKESPEARE's most modern and 'bloody' tale] wherin MASTER SHAKESPEARE played-out 'TITUS ANDRONICUS' over 400 years ago - TEMORA 'the evil Goth queen' and AARON 'the Moore' combine forces to rape, cut off the arms+legs, tongue, gouge out the eyes of LAVINIA - AND NOW – ‘EVIL’ HILLARY and 'BARAK' OBAMA will join 'liberal lunatics' to eviscerate AMERICA in the same way TEMORA + AARON joined forces to ravish/quarter LAVINIA. IS SHAKESPEARE'S BLOODIEST PLAY A MESSAGE/PREDICTION AS TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO AMERICA??? TEMORA = ‘EVIL’ HILLARY AARON = 'BARAK' OBAMA LAVINIA = PROSTRATE AMERICA. AH DEMBHOLES REJOICE – IT IS YOUR CHANCE TO RUIN AMERICA!!! The HILLARY/OBAMA ticket/allegiance is assured of rolling over this nation. 'The Republicants' offer only token reistance to the 'socilaistic' masses who truly believe to have someone/anyone to pay for their lives of sloth/indolence and living off the public welfare. |
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hush Senior Member
since 2001-05-27
Posts 1653Ohio, USA |
Umm... really? Seriously? Wow. |
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Susan Caldwell Member Rara Avis
since 2002-12-27
Posts 8348Florida |
Zyskandar A. Jaimot=Dad?? |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
since 2008-02-06
Posts 76FL-USA |
i am a 'dad' 5 times over with three different wives - the last one in a 'terminal relationship' is it true what they say about intercourse [the position determining the 'sex' of the offspring?] my children now young ladies are all women/were grils with three of them having 'daughters' of their own --- if you were to 'analyze' me most probably the most fitting/applicable remark would be "...does not play well with others..." regards zaj |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
since 2008-02-06
Posts 76FL-USA |
to mistletoe angel + others: as far as my reading of the necessary qualifications for becoming president of the UNITED STATES - there are two requisites 1) being of the proper age 2) having been 'born' in this country --- that's it!!! THE REST IS JUST PALABER & SPIN!!! |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
since 2008-02-06
Posts 76FL-USA |
to serenity blaze + others - having 'dated- what a quaint euphemism from the 50's/60's' several 'certified or certifiable women/girls' identifying themselves as witches including LAURIE CABOT-'the resident witch of SALEM, MA.' i would find it an inconvenience if 'witches' were burned or hung as they were in NAHANT, MA. and other places --- but then i could always wear "...asbestos pants-suits..." as does MS. HILLARY!!! Ha! |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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I do make the most unusual friends... *cracking up* <--REALLY, although, I'm not quitecertified  yet lawsy  |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
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Profanity removed - Ron [This message has been edited by Ron (02-07-2008 02:40 PM).] |
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Midnitesun
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to Jaimot:  |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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Who the hell are you yelling at? |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
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Profanity removed - Ron [This message has been edited by Ron (02-07-2008 02:42 PM).] |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
since 2008-02-06
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to sb - not 'yelling' at all - i would never 'yell' at a witch or incur her wrath. regards zaj |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
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Ah..all caps? That indicates "yelling" although I sometimes use it for emphasis. You might want to clean up your language, inappropriate language isn't exactly welcomed here, except in certain Mature Content forums. You might find that your opinions are more welcomed in a different tone as well. Just a suggestion.  |
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Midnitesun
since 2001-05-18
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zaj Apparently my polite subtle suggestion failed. Rants of name-calling and profanity fall on deaf ears usually, and aren't welcome here.And I echo lady Serenity's comment, that ALL CAPS is generally perceived on the net as....yelling. |
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Marge Tindal
since 1999-11-06
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zaj- I can pretty much guarantee you that your dirty slang language and filty name calling will not be tolerated here or anywhere else in our circle of poets and friends~ ~*Marge*~ ~*The sound of a kiss is not as strong as that of a cannon, but it's echo endures much longer*~ |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
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Personal attack removed - Ron [This message has been edited by Ron (02-07-2008 04:50 PM).] |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
since 2008-02-06
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Personal attack removed - Ron [This message has been edited by Ron (02-07-2008 04:51 PM).] |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
since 2008-02-06
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to marge t - if i have given any offense to you personally or others i apologize regards zaj |
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TomMark Member Elite
since 2007-07-27
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I know 5 Nobel laureates who made fool of themselves in their later years. Good Characters can never be awarded from outside. And being popular does not make an animal a human. My thought on politics and everything else. [This message has been edited by TomMark (02-07-2008 10:46 PM).] |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
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Personal attack removed - Ron [This message has been edited by Ron (02-07-2008 06:22 PM).] |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
since 2008-02-06
Posts 76FL-USA |
to tm - funny the three NOBEL LAUREATES in literature i know and have correspondence with - according to you have something 'to look foward too' in their dottage - sometimes 'animals' including some humans - have to be 'put down' for the good of others politically speaking regards zaj |
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TomMark Member Elite
since 2007-07-27
Posts 2133LA,CA |
XYZ may like a politician or may not. But To make up stories to accuse him is wrong. It is called lie. It does not matter how many people said that or how many websites said that. My friend has told me half decade ago the same thing about Hillary. When I asked her "is it true?". She and her husband both said, "I can show you many website." No, I don't buy it just because it is in the net or in -printed form. (How many wrongly accused murders are there in Jails today?) XYZ may brag about any merit shining on her . But she can never never brag that she got them on her own without any education and talent from heaven. So, brag is an ungrateful attitude. And when a frog is sitting at the bottom of a dry well, how big a sky it can see? NOBEL LAUREATES do not interest me. (too political) my thought |
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jbouder Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash |
What an unfortunate turn to a productive discussion. I actually miss living in the "Left" vs. "Right" world - Having positions laid out so neatly to adopt as my own, clearly delineating "us" and "them" ... but as we grow older and live a little, our litmus tests change and sometimes those litmus tests don't fall neatly into either "Left" or "Right" categories. Could I vote for a Christian who is likely to gut programs people I care about need? Would I vote for someone I disagree with on so many other personal and idealogical issues if their victory would more or less ensure those programs won't be gutted? A guy at my church asked me once how, in good conscience, I could vote for someone who supports abortion rights (something this guy feels very, very strongly about). I answered with the question, "How could you vote for someone, in good conscience, you know will promote public policy that will harm your child?" I'd considered both questions. He hadn't, which was kinda my point. I guess what I've realized is that somebody suffers nomatter who wins. Two things I like about Obama - he's smart and he's optimistic. In my book, that's a good start. Doesn't mean he has my vote ... it just means he hasn't lost it (yet). Jim |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
since 2008-02-06
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to tm + jb - there are absolutes even in this world - most of the 'stories' about HILLARY and her pretend-husband are unfortunately true/accurate/factual - i think it is amusing that yet another 'huckster' from hope arkansas in the form of 'hucklebuckle' is hiding behind his supposed christianity which commands "...all women should submit to their husbands..." the clintons both use use their 'christian card' when they have too to gain politically or economically the greatest felony i fault the 'REPUBLICANTS' for is not indicting the CLINTONS and their followers/accolytes for the sale of our nuclear/missile technology to the chinese and others for campaign conributions! OBAMA is certainly intelligent although his progressive/socialistic spiel is slightly annoying as 'socialism' has failed in every society/grouping of individuals where the racial component is not homogenious and subject to population growth of greater than 8% per annum![even these supposedly Nordic countries are undergoing severe strains due to the imposition of 'aliens' upon their cultures!] OBAMA is just the latest slick lawyer to come out of HARVARD accomplishing nothing in his own life or for the lives of others than to speak this SOCIALIST PALAVER and tell the 'masses' what they want to hear! [health care, welfare for all, no war unless deemed necessary by OBAMA against his step-father's homeland PAKHISTAN (talk about your pschobabble neurosis eh?!) and he wants to bring 'hope' to everone! Ha! global warming could be simplified to too many people exhaling creating more CO2 that increases the temperature - don't run so much walk - what 'newspeak' ridiculousness! jb you want 'programs' that won't harm your children - don't live with them in a society and you'll have complete/absolute control - your analogies are i am sure to your way of thinking constructive/transcendant but have little basis in fact or reality. you are presented with choices of political parties/candidates - it is up to the individual to choose what he/she considers the more benign of those who wish to afflict us! regards zaj |
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TomMark Member Elite
since 2007-07-27
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quote: I believe that there is absolute evil in this world. quote: The deaths are true but Did Hillary kill them or hired someone killed them? Evidence? if we talk judicially. quote: What is wrong when someone talks about his belief? quote: They have the right to say anything they want but people all have brains to judge. quote: Who trained Bin laden? US getting to China obviously is for targeting Russia. Don't you know this? quote: Evidence? Evidence? (for your happiness, Johannes Stark has achieved much) quote: It is a scientific hypothesis. H1 or H0, all need to be talked scientifically with scientific evidence. quote: Are you still thinking that black people were slaves? A policy that is not fair and does not take care of those under privileged ones needs to be changed or amended or modified. Talking does nothing and negatively talking needs, I say "shut up". quote: You are right. But if one needs 100,000 signatures to present a Bill to get all sick children under some government benefit, will you sign your "well" "known" "big" "name"? Tom |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
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Personal attack removed ... for the last time. I'm not here to babysit people unwilling to learn. - Ron [This message has been edited by Ron (02-08-2008 08:10 PM).] |
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TomMark Member Elite
since 2007-07-27
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quote: What answer do you want about health care for children or for all? It is purely a goodwill based on cost/benefit analysis. X wants tax money to go purchased 500 tons bomb to kill more. Y wants it on health care and Z wants to use the money to save stock market. quote: Nobody knows since the information at the beginning is false. But Bin Laden is still free man. Don't assuming. Politics is not fictional neither poetic. Tom |
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jbouder Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
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Zysk: I don't dispute the existence of absolute or self-evident truths. I just haven't found the chapter and verse in my Holy Book that prescribes an absolute standard for economic and social welfare policy. quote: No, I think the oligarchs would have complete/absolute control. Many programs have grown out of the concept of due process. Are you suggesting we scrap that as well? Jim |
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Zyskandar A. Jaimot Member
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to all and ron the moderator - oh ronnie why are some 'personal attacks' allowed and others censored? [Personal attack removed - Ron] ... do your 'job' and stop whining! [This message has been edited by Ron (02-08-2008 10:31 PM).] |
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Marge Tindal
since 1999-11-06
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 ~*The sound of a kiss is not as strong as that of a cannon, but it's echo endures much longer*~ |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
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Dear Zyskandar A. Jaimot, That last posting was painful. Do you understand that? BobK. |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
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Job . . . done. |
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Marge Tindal
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Mysteria
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Good! |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o&feature=related . |
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I am officially proclaiming myself a genius! I smelled out where a thread like this would go and stayed out....brilliant!  |
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TomMark Member Elite
since 2007-07-27
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Why didn't you come out earlier to save your Florida friend? Obama indeed has a very good chance to win. who knows if it is good or bad. [This message has been edited by TomMark (02-21-2008 01:05 PM).] |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
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. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/01/media-expert-clinton-backer-crit icizes-08-race-press-coverage/ Now I'm no fan, yet even I will admit the woman's been getting a raw deal . . . . |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
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. Obama is Fonda in that both think the problem with the world is the United States of America . . . McCain knows, (by virtue of five and a half years), different . . . . |
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matronmedusa Member
since 2008-03-08
Posts 89Alabama, USA |
For a nation of people that are supposed to be tolerant of religious differences; I've not seen much evidence of this at all. In my opinion, it is all too often about religion and not enough about politics....ironically, they go hand in hand; which is why I despise both. Throughout history, the churches have been the primary power; they have threatened, beaten, slaughtered, and finally bred us into their geographical religion. And now, though we have a "democracy," it seems as though it is still dicatated by faith. The church has been a very powerful and unrelenting force in every society, no matter what religion, since the dawn of civilization as we know it. The laws of the churches and temples were the laws that the kings and emperors were sworn into---In order to be king; you had to obey the church. I don't care what religion or policies are chosen to be implemented; it is control of the masses none-the-less. There never should have been a few to decide the fates of many; whether they are religious choices or political ones. Many will claim that without law and order, there would be anarchy and chaos, when in fact it is man’s law and need for control that have created the chaos we are in now. If you don’t think we are in a state of chaos, just watch the news for one night. That’s all you see; and yet, we have so many laws, rules, and regulations, that you would think we had been working all this time to prevent just this sort of turmoil (where as, I feel it was implemented TO encourage this turmoil; why else would you need their solutions?). Society in general should be proof that man’s laws do not make life happier or safer, and they certainly do not prevent turmoil. In fact, the very act of trying to control that which you have no control over initiates turmoil and chaos. We separate our faith and divide our perspectives. We depend too heavily on popular notion and too little on ourselves for making our own decisions. We have given control to the churches to decide our faith for us. We have given control to our government to decide what is right or wrong. We have given control to our neighbors to decide if we are just individuals. We keep giving control instead of taking control of our own lives and actions. We have conditioned ourselves further into corruption, and there IS a breaking point. I welcome armeggedon; personally, I think we could use a clean slate. “Behold the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not ye of much more value then they?” And yet here we are....forced to work to earn money to buy food and water; the most basic necessities for survival; when it is all here for us to begin with. Just another method to keep you distracted... And Christ said, “Do not lay down any rules beyond what I appointed you, and do not give a law like the lawgiver lest you be constrained by it.” Whoa! Did I get a little off track here? I apologize....just rambling thoughts.... |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. Has anyone's mind changed on Obama? . |
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nakdthoughts Member Laureate
since 2000-10-29
Posts 19200Between the Lines |
I know the media is trying to change peoples minds this week... |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. Twenty plus years in a racist church and I'm suposed to ignore that and still believe he walks on Lake Michigan. Please. . |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
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Dear Huan Yi, Why would you ignore it? My question for you would be, what perspective do you place it in in relation to Senator Clinton's apparently odd religious connections with a prayer group and bible study class since 1993 or 94 and Senator McCain's propensity for cozying up to odd spiritual advisors as well in what seems to be a bid to court the Christian extreme right? My sense is with each of them is that we look into the details as best we can and come to the best overall call we can. If I was looking for unblemished, I wouldn't even be able to talk to myself. These are all folks I have a decent amount of respect for, though I'm probably most interested in Obama myself right now. I have always respected McCain. I'm sad Colin Powell isn't running on the Republican ticket, myself, because I don't think he would have switched his position on torture under political pressure and I have enormous respect for him as well. The whole spectrum of candidates is imperfect Huan Yi; why are you so upset about this one in particular? I've got to be out of town, by the way, starting tomorrow evening for a while. I may have a chance to see your replies (everybody, and Huan Yi) tomorrow, but may not have a chance to reply for a week or so. Looking forward to being back. Best to everyone, BobK. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
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. "Senator Clinton's apparently odd religious connections with a prayer group and bible study class since 1993 or 94 and Senator McCain's propensity for cozying up to odd spiritual advisors as well in what seems to be a bid to court the Christian extreme right?" More detail please. Are they racist? “To equate what I said with what this racist bigot has said from the pulpit is unbelievable,” Ferraro told the Los Angeles newspaper, The Daily Breeze, on Wednesday. “He gave a very good speech on race relations, but he did not address the fact that this man is up there spewing hatred.”” . [This message has been edited by Huan Yi (03-20-2008 04:30 PM).] |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
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Dear Huan Yi, http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/rod_parsleys_free_pass_1.php?page=all |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
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Dear Huan Yi, I couldn't include this with the other, but here's some more about McCain's guy Parsley, who's apparently anti-islam (not anti-islamic extremists, anybody , and the entire religion). http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html McCain's also sought the support of Haggee, the Texas anti-Catholic preacher, but to his credit, McCain backed off on supporting that part of the guy's religious stance. Perhaps he'll do the same on Rod Parsley as well. Tell me, though, how racist do you think these folks can afford to be as President, any of them. McCain can't be all that thrilled with oriental folk, though he's apparently worked to normalize relations with the vietnamese. If Obama and Clinton are Christian, I can't see them as really hot to start a war with the Jews or the Muslims. If Obama is Black, what do you think he's about to do to whites? For myself, I'm worried about class and caste quarrels. I think those are the lines along which we usually tend to split, and money is frequently the marker of those divisions. We have to learn to start to think like a country again and not like members of or aspirants to a particular caste or class. Otherwise we're in serious trouble. More serious trouble, I should say. Best, BobK. |
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A Romantic Heart Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-03
Posts 5496Forever In Your Heart |
This post was to inform, to find out if anyone else had found this in their emails, and to find out what they thought of it? The header of the email was exactly the way I posted it, I just copied and pasted from my email. The email header was "Who Is Barack Obama"? My spam filter didn't catch it... I was curious to know how and where these types of emails get started, is it coming from the Clinton Camp? the McCain Camp? or just voters who support one or the other? I am not raceist.... |
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A Romantic Heart Member Ascendant
since 1999-09-03
Posts 5496Forever In Your Heart |
I rented "Sicko" this week, I think before anyone votes, they should watch this Documentary about healthcare in America! |
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Misty Lilacs Senior Member
since 2005-11-15
Posts 1060White Birch Forest |
Obama is a young, fresh face with fresh ideas. He can do no worse than George W. |
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Mysteria
since 2001-03-07
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"Who is Barach Obama?" I think considering the amount of young people voting this time in the United States, Barack Obama could very well just be your next President. I for one, don't think that is all bad. I have liked this young man since he became a senator, and followed him online ever since. He has the "X-factor," and can learn those skills required of a GREAT President. I don't envy anyone taking on this job, it is going to be one hellofva mess to clean up after Bush. Good luck to you all with this election. If everyone can just get past all the political tactics used for mud-slinging, and pick the right person for the job, it won't be long until things turn around. |
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Denise
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since 1999-08-22
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I've learned this week that there is something called Black Liberation Theology, and that Obama sat under that theology for 20 years. Essentially it replaces Christ and His love and grace extended to ALL with a Christ who extends His love to, and fights only for the cause of, the "oppressed"/"black person", against the "oppressor"/"white enemy", and is primarily concerned with temporal issues here on earth, including righting supposed/perceived social and political injustices, etc., as opposed to a focus on the redemption and love found in Christ which leads to virtuous living, despite the pain and travail of living in a sinful world, and a joyful awaiting of the afterlife where all wrong will be made right. Adherents of Black Liberation Theology make God in their own image, at the expense of the All loving, All Sovereign Creator of the Universe, creating a spirit of divisiveness and marinating themselves in bigotry and hatred. When his association with this pastor came to light, Obama tried to dance around the issue (by lying and saying he never heard the pastor utter the vile remarks on the tapes), and then when he realized he couldn't dance around it (because it just wasn't believable), he decided to give a "race relations" speech, essentially attempting to turn the tables to deflect the attention away from himself, denouncing his pastor's rantings, yet asking for understanding of his pastor's background and life experiences, that led to those rantings. And then after throwing his white granny under the bus by revealing that she feared young black men whom she didn't know that passed her on the street (even Jesse Jackson admitted as much), trying to draw a comparison between granny's admission of fear, to Rev. Wright's hateful lunatic ravings, he then trys to mitigate his dissing of granny by saying he didn't mean to imply that she was a racist, that she was just a "typical white person" conditioned to feel that way. Can you imagine the outcry if a white person made such a statement about a black person, saying that he or she is just a "typical black person" conditioned a certain way? Give me a break. This guy only needs to look in the mirror to see racism, and he isn't qualified to preach to anyone about it. Many of us are sick of the double standards and hypocrisy, the perpetual victim mentality, the absolute blindness to and lack of gratitude for the privileges made available in our society, often at the expense of fairness to non-minorities in the process, in a seemingly useless and misguided attempt to make reperations for slavery. Slavery was not unique to America, it was virtually a universal practice. But I doubt many countries have done as much as America has done to attempt to right the wrongs of it. Will we ever hear any gratitude for these privileges, any appreciation that great strides have been made in our society for the attempted equalization of opportunities, and for the onging attempts to improve conditions, misguided though they seem to be? That would be refreshing. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. “b) White guilt. Obama’s purpose in the speech was to put Wright’s outrages in context. By context, Obama means history. And by history, he means the history of white racism. Obama says, “We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country,” and then proceeds to do precisely that. And what lies at the end of his recital of the long train of white racial assaults from slavery to employment discrimination? Jeremiah Wright, of course.” This contextual analysis of Wright’s venom, this extenuation of black hate speech as a product of white racism, is not new. It’s the Jesse Jackson politics of racial grievance, expressed in Ivy League diction and Harvard Law nuance. That’s why the speech made so many liberal commentators swoon: It bathed them in racial guilt, while flattering their intellectual pretensions. An unbeatable combination. But Obama was supposed to be new. He flatters himself as a man of the future transcending the anger of the past as represented by his beloved pastor. Obama then waxes rhapsodic about the hope brought by the new consciousness of the young people in his campaign.” http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDAxYTk0OTIyZWQzMzEyMmVhZjM2ZWUwODU2ODgxM2I= Personally as the son of Polish immigrants who were themselves slaves from a country where one in five men, women, and children, were murdered, I am sick of this second original sin that comes with being “white” and American citizenship. . |
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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams |
|: My mom got that email too... and now her computer is fried. I am not to worried about it. secrets come out of the wood work like crazy. -Juju |
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