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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6213150.stm “Identifying planets similar to Earth is critical in the hunt for extra-terrestrial life.” Great . . .So instead of God they’re looking for Spock. . |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
And this is a problem? |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
Yes, in that it’s just another fairy tale, useful only in the advancements in technology fostered under the cover. Give one shred of real evidence there’s anyone out there, ( and be honest no one is interested in inert elements). It’s a childish fantasy whose reasoning is no more valid than there’s a Guy with a white beard watching over us. Let’s grow up. |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
Well, that's easy to say before anyone actually looks for the evidence.  But I think evidence of intellegent life beyond earth will be proven here in our own solar sytem, on Mars, far before it shall be found anywhere else. I believe under the surface of Mars, there are fossils of former civilizations waiting to be seen. Someday some of those fossils shall be in Museums here on earth too. |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
And what would not qualify as a childish fantasy in your eyes? What is worth searching for? |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
“And what would not qualify as a childish fantasy in your eyes?” Something that has evidence that can be shown or demonstrated and confirmed by objective reviewers. "What is worth searching for?" A cure for cancer to start is nice. Or at least perhaps a sure way to die without warning, without war, violence, painlessly in our sleep. |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
Did you eat anything today, John? Did that preclude you from drinking something as well? There are really only three possibilities for you, John. 1. You have to believe there is a God. 2. Or, you have to believe there is intelligent life beyond our own. 3. Or, you just haven't done the math to understand why 2 must be true if 1 is not. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
Ron, Your first two choices suggest some sort of savior. Show me the evidence. Why must we instead believe in some extraterrestrial Santa? It used to be those “out there” would kill us, (War of the Worlds); now we expect them to teach us Zen. |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
quote: I don't have much use for an ET Santa, but I'm surprised that you can't differentiate between that and looking for life in other places. But for you, I guess, geology is just a bunch of rocks. Dark matter, dark energy? Couldn't be bothered I guess. Just another way of saying that we don't know what we say we know. On this planet, we find life pretty much everywhere we look. I suspect (hope)that once we do identify life on other planets we'll pretty much find it all over the place. But I also think that you'll just raise the bar a bit. Instead of nobody caring about inert matter, it will be nobody will care about microbes. And on, and on and on. To be honest, I don't have any problems with the search for God either. Okay, I really don't mind childhood fantasies all that much either. Adolescent ones are okay too. But a cure for cancer's a good idea too. And on, and on and on.  |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. Brad, As I commented before what keeps the money safe is the idea that there are Vulcans not inert elements, (or microbes), out there. If the latter were expressed as the purpose you couldn’t get enough money for a bottle rocket. It’s that fantasy that irritates me. I tired of one fable or another being nurtured by government money and presented as real to those too inexperienced beforehand to recognize a con. It’s just another form of state sponsored religion to me. . |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
quote: Tell me about it. |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
What syllogism leads you to the conclusion that life on other planets is a fantasy? Construct it. On the other hand: There is life on this planet. There are other planets. If life is possible on this planet then it may also be possible on other planets as well. Believing there is ONLY life on this planet without establishing evidence is a childish, narcisistic, fantasy. Understanding that we only know what we know is the only rational approach to the universe. You oppose government funding of space exploration. Ok... defend that on it's own merits instead of making claims you can't possibly support. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
"What syllogism leads you to the conclusion that life on other planets is a fantasy?" Are you asking me to prove a negative? OK, I give up. There are Leprechauns under your bed. But as I've said now more than once, it's not the search for mere life but Spock the wonder worker that truly funds the effort. |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
quote: If so, John, perhaps it's your own bias doing the suggesting. The inevitability of life beyond our own implies nothing about that life. I'm talking about quantity and you're twisting it into a reflection of quality. quote: Science fiction is cool, John, but you need to remember the emphasis should remain on the second word in the phrase, not the first. There are no Vulcans, John. It's a story. And more importantly, the people voting to spend resources in space are pretty much smart enough to know that. I think the bigger misunderstanding in your argument is also the more important one. Science need not have a realizable goal in order to be successful. There's life out there, but it wouldn't matter if there wasn't. I personally don't think we can ever contact that life, but it wouldn't matter if we could. Primitive or advanced, friend or foe, Vulcan or Borg, none of it really matters. 'Cause, very simply, we can't know what we'll find until we look. The horizon is a beginning, not an end. |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
quote: Equally unsubstantiated. Downright illogical. Anyone who would want to find Spock knows there is no Spock in reach -- so it's doubtful that anyone cheerleading space exploration has any such expectations. I can, however, look under my bed and tell you I see no Leprechauns. By looking enough times I can come to the logical conclusion that the only thing I might find under there is a half-eaten peanut-butter sandwich one of my kids left there and a lot of dust. We can't make this argument and expect to win: We shoudln't spend money on space exploration because nothing is out there worth finding. More logical; We have more pressing budget constraints presently than can justify an investment in a venture that has no forseeable return even if successful. But, you'll then have to prove that those budget constraints are real. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
I think scientists should try to look for intelligent life on earth first. That would be a tough exploration I think; years I'm sure it would take. Not in my lifetime probably. The search for intelligent life on earth won't start on the internet or in a building but rather on some forsaken hill that no one ever travels to - a place where solitude is respected and the facts of life aren't laid upon the butcher's block to be severed and eaten. No no, real intelligent life will begin when a child is conceived and end when it hits the surface. ___________________ A man was once very frightened of people he didn't see. He was scared that they'd get their dirty little hands on his organs and bone marrow. These people haunted him greatly and there was a paranoia that emitted from the top of his head like a beacon of fear jutting up into the sky. But alas, he came to understand that the people were gods and he was not; for the gods were not seen and he was exposed as well as his marrow. The man decided that it was a life other than his own that these human-gods were after; a life not planted on Earth. These were his notions. This man died believing that gods from another planet were after him but a form of him that was not he. At any rate, he kept his organs but his marrow was extracted and donated to someone who needed it. _________________ The moral, dare I say that word, of the story is: What difference does it make? I'd imagine that I'm the youngest one on this thread and I realize that these subjects seem rather unimportant for adults to be talking about. So what if there is life somewhere else? You'll still lose your marrow when you die. All these threads, the hundreds of discussions about God and what not... They're all the same: Why God? God and War God's Sadness Could God Give a Computer a Soul? the Father, the Son and . . . Religion vs Reason The Last Word--the ultimate God discussion Christians, What Do You Think? Women and Religion - Open Thread Jesus Question Labeling Atheism When did God begin? Jesus......REJECTED! (Nice one JCP) Where does it all go? This seems to be a hobby at PiP's. Answers to questions like these won't be found on the interenet just like intelligent life. And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
quote: Immaturity is not the exclusive possession of youth. You've set the bar rather high for yourself now though -- you will have to justify why grunts and whistles are more intelligent than our evolved language and convenient forum. You would prefer that instead of discourse we all watch Americas Funniest Home Videos? In youth there are answers. In maturity only questions. And, people ask. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
"Immaturity is not the exclusive possession of youth. You've set the bar rather high for yourself now though" Lol, good one... "...you will have to justify why grunts and whistles are more intelligent than our evolved language and convenient forum." What are you getting at here? What's this about grunts and whistles? Remember, I'm a youth so you have to speak plainly lol. I was merely saying that this topic seems rather silly. I didn't know I had no right to do so, my bad. "You would prefer that instead of discourse we all watch Americas Funniest Home Videos?" Well that's not a very nice thing to say. If I didn't have an iron shirt for humor, I might be offended, lol. Look here man, I'm 18 years old, so let's be civil. You're not dealing with some punk here brother. I was just saying that I'm probably the youngest here, not that I'm young. So unless you're 12 or something my statement stands a fact. But I greatly doubt that you are 12 because your language is so finely tuned and running like a well oiled machine. Kudos on that. "In youth there are answers. In maturity only questions." LOL, this is my favorite part of your reply. So you're saying that children have all the answers and adults can only ask questions? That's seems pretty backwards to me. Well, you know what, I guess you're right. I never hear kids asking: What's that, what's that, what does that do, what's that word mean? I never hear that from chitlens. But I have had thirty somethings ask me what a plane is and is Santa real and is E.T. a documentary. So maybe you're right. Unless, I read that wrong and you meant that kids only get answers and adults only get hit with questions? If that's so then I'd rethink the whole thing. Next time I'll keep my mout shut, but maybe not, cause this is fun for me. And you know us children, we only want fun and pockets full of candy. Cheers bro And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." [This message has been edited by Edward Grim (12-27-2006 07:24 PM).] |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
quote: You have every right. But you're not the only one with such rights, so you shouldn't be surprised when someone asks you to actually justify your opinions. Nor should you be offended. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
Was I hogging all the rights again? Dang, I do that sometimes, lol. Just kidding Ron. I'm not surprised nor offended, I think I said that. Happy New Year And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
quote: But, Edward, you're smarter than everyone at PIP, even everyone on the internet. How can this possibly be fun for you? Engaging in such unimportant activity? Surely you have more important things to think about. quote: Yes, you do not understand. Youth is the only excuse for immaturity. It is sad how old I was when I was young. When I grow up, I hope to be a child. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
"But, Edward, you're smarter than everyone at PIP, even everyone on the internet. How can this possibly be fun for you? Engaging in such unimportant activity?" LOL, man you seem tightly wound. If I even implied that I'm smarter than everyone, then I apologize. I didn't mean to take your title away, lol. Look dude, I'm just messin around here, you're getting too sensitive. I'm not smart buddy, I'm just too sarcastic. These discussions are fun, but not for you maybe. Don't take it so seriously. "Surely you have more important things to think about." Sure, like ducks... I love ducks. "Youth is the only excuse for immaturity." Well, then how young are you? "When I grow up, I hope to be a child." Wishes do come true. This seems to be getting bigger than the both of us. If I offended you, my bad, I'm sorry. I was just havin a bit of fun. And call me Ed, you're not my mother, you don't have to use edward... Peace And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
quote: My daughter decided it would be fun to pants my son in front of his friends. "It was just a joke" she said. "We were just playing around. Look, I'm sorry ok?" I'm wondering though, if you can guess who didn't get the joke at all, Edward? Do you think my son thought it was funny? |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
Wow... I had no idea you were getting so upset about our discussion. The fact that you just said what you did, makes me think you are very upset. I didn't mean to "pants" you. I didn't realize that having a conversation was so embarrassing. I guess I'll just end it here. - Ed |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
When you insulted everyone on planet Earth Ed, that was levity. Trite and hack, sure, but -- we specialize in that when it comes to levity  You went on, rather unfortunately, to insult Ron, his forums, and everyone who participates in discussion threads. Hopefully, you can, in the future, learn to debate one of our (pointless) points, instead of trying to take on the entire universe at once. THAT is fun.... when people learn from each other. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
"You went on, rather unfortunately, to insult Ron, his forums, and everyone who participates in discussion threads." WHOA now cowboy! I never insulted Ron! Now, I'll trade light-hearted blows with ya but I won't take false accusations. I said: "Was I hogging all the rights again? Dang, I do that sometimes, lol. Just kidding Ron." After that, I wished him a good new year and was off. Ron, is a good guy and stand-up fellow who doesn't put up with any bull. If I rubbed him the wrong way, he would've said so. And I wasn't insulting the people on the forum either. "Hopefully, you can, in the future, learn to debate one of our (pointless) points" Did, I say "pointless" sir? I said that I thought it was rather silly. And how many times do I post here? Jeez, this is what I get for opening my mouth. And you could use a few pointers on debating as well. You take a few jokes too seriously then can't stand the heat and whine about how I hurt your feelings (which I sincerely apologized for). Here I am thinking that this was all light hearted and easy going. Man, was I wrong, I didn't know I was dealing with someone so emotional. And to think we were talking about maturity. And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Stephanos
since 2000-07-31
Posts 3618Statesboro, GA, USA |
Edward: quote: You've made statements like this before, and I haven't called you on it. But as it comes up repeatedly, I feel I have to ask. You're a Catholic and you don't think the question of God matters? In what sense then do you have faith in God? Or are you merely saying that the reality of faith cannot be affected by dialogue? Just curious. Stephen. |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
No Edward -- I'm not talking about your subsequent posts where you begin playing dodgeball -- I'm still refering to your initial post: quote: |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
"You're a Catholic and you don't think the question of God matters? In what sense then do you have faith in God?" That's a fair question Steph. I have as much faith as the next guy I suppose. Of course the question of God matters, but I read some of these threads and I get annoyed. "Or are you merely saying that the reality of faith cannot be affected by dialogue?" Bingo, anybody on here that's not into God or whatever probably won't have their minds changed here or on any forum for that matter. Maybe that's a stupid notion. Cheers And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
I know rebel, you can't seem to get past my first post. Look, I'm getting tired of this. Let's be friends. Again, if I offended you (which it's apparent that I did) I am sorry, sincerely. Ed And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
I don't accept apologies from my own children until they demonstrate some level of understanding of what they did wrong Edward. And being friends doesn't preclude disagreement and debate. Do you think that I talk to my own kids like this because I don't like them? Guess again. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
Ok I'm done. "I don't accept apologies from my own children until they demonstrate some level of understanding of what they did wrong Edward." I don't take crap like that. Listen here my man, I ain't one of your kids, you are NOT an authority figure and if you don't want to accept my apology then fine, that's your right. But I won't be spoken to like that. My God, you have a lot of nerve. I wonder how this conversation would have turned out if you thought I was your age. But now I don't care. This is the most asinine thread I've ever had to deal with. |
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Stephanos
since 2000-07-31
Posts 3618Statesboro, GA, USA |
But LR, I forgave you many times, and yet you stayed in ignorance of your folly! lol Just for ol' times sake. Stephen. |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
Folly la la la, la la la la... days of auld lang syne my friend... and to the days ahead... I can't remember you ever backing away from the table either Stephen... cheers to you and yours |
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Stephanos
since 2000-07-31
Posts 3618Statesboro, GA, USA |
LR, Just to cut Ed a break ... you did sound a bit like Papa Reb. A warm and stern character, of my utmost admiration. And Ed, don't take us too seriously when we do that. I do it to Reb too, and he's much older than I. Happy New Year all. Stephen. |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
How come ET may find us so easly, but it is so difficult for us to find ET? |
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jbouder Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash |
Reb: quote: You just ruined my New Year, dude. Does this mean I can no longer say, "I'm very immature for my age" as though it is a virtue? Dang-it! Stephen: Watch the old-guy slurs, boy. Remember what the Bible says about sparing the rod? Ed: I can certainly understand why you feel many of the threads about religion, philosophy, and speculative science are trivial. I can't speak for you (naturally), but I certainly recall my late teen years when it was the concrete and tangible that seemed to me to be of utmost importance. And more often then not, I ran with it. As I grew older, and issues and decisions I was forced to make as a husband, father, and professional became more complicated, I had to decide not only what I was going to do, but also how I was going to do it. This required reflection and, on issues involving moral decisions (is doing something one way wrong and another way right), reflection on religious and philosophical issues became more important. Questions like: When is it appropriate for me to lay aside process when critical decisions affecting people's lives need to be made? If I find a wallet in the grocery store with no ID and $1,000 in it, what should I do? If I discover that a coworker is taking money out of petty cash for personal use, what do I do (i.e., do I confront the employee first or report it to a supervisor)? When it comes to questions like these, discussions about God and moral philosophy are useful. Sometimes, upon reflection, our first answers to these questions are not the best answers. And sometimes I get bothered by the course some of these threads take as well, but we are all at different places in wrestling with these issues and sometimes this fact warrants a little patience. Jim |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
quote: Amen. I think at times we all feel like Sisyphus in or out of a forum like this one -- but, it's not always the same rock, or hill -- even though it may seem like it. And, I don't know about you Jim, but, I'm getting younger! Stephen, Dutch Uncle? maybe? Slack, is likely a good thing -- he'll need some for the long road ahead -- I think when he gets there -- he'll be a good one. Ess, We don't know that ET hasn't found us. Assuming ET has the technology to do what we don't know how to do -- ET might be able to do other things we don't know how to do, like hide in plain sight. This is a logical conclusion, but, we have no idea how likely or unlikely it is. At present - it is just as likely that it is actually not possible to contact ET or for ET to contact/visit us. There is no reason to assume either true or false. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
Jim, you seem like a very wise man, and I mean that without sarcasm or humorous intentions. I really appreciate your kind tone and mature attitude. I am not in any way saying that "the threads about religion, philosophy, and speculative science are trivial." Just a few ya know, such as: Could God Give a Computer a Soul? Labeling Atheism Jesus......REJECTED! And maybe ET as well, lol. I'm not gonna lie, I am very opinionated and if I don't agree with something or I find something silly, I'll say it; I mean hell, why not? "Sometimes, upon reflection, our first answers to these questions are not the best answers." Lol, don't I know it man. I've put up enough junk from a few adults in my life and I'm turned off to the whole "I'm higher than you" attitude that some people put off. I'm tired of age being used as an excuse to treat someone poorly. Now, I've read my previous replies back and I can see that my responses look disrespectful but in all essence they were meant as a "humor dose" if nothing else. Some people have no sense of humor. Thanks Jim, I think you put several things into perspective. I appreciate it. Cheers Ed And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
Ok Ed, then, here's your challenge -- click into the threads that you think are silly and debate them! |
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Stephanos
since 2000-07-31
Posts 3618Statesboro, GA, USA |
LR: quote: I was thinking more like "Dutch Grampa". Got to quit these age jokes, I just turned 23 myself, I'm no spring chicken. Jim, Spare not, and bring it on old timer! Stephen. |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
cough* cough* I just almost dropped my favorite Telecaster when I read that...  course -- I coulda been a grandpa by now... I am.. after all 23 also...  |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
"Ok Ed, then, here's your challenge -- click into the threads that you think are silly and debate them!" I've already been to your website. And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
Then debate it. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
Ok, I'll start with your views on abortion. And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
That's fine.. but, you still have to prove the threads you've mentioned are silly. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
See Lo Cal, that's what you don't get. I don't have to prove anything to you. You need to not be so condescending. I don't roll around the forums saying which ones are stupid, if I did that on the ones I wanted, I'd be kicked off by now. In fact I rarely respond in such a manner. For the most part I mind my own business. I figured a thread titled ET called for such a response. And it is my right to reply how I choose as long as I follow the rules. I wonder rebel, have you ever thought a thread to be pointless or silly? If you have, then you have some thinking to do. And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
You made a very specific list Edward; Why God? God and War God's Sadness Could God Give a Computer a Soul? the Father, the Son and . . . Religion vs Reason The Last Word--the ultimate God discussion Christians, What Do You Think? Women and Religion - Open Thread Jesus Question Labeling Atheism When did God begin? Jesus......REJECTED! (Nice one JCP) If you're having a hard time coming up with an exposition to back up your assertion -- hm... oh well... I guess that settles that. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
My loving God in deep Heaven! Do you never quit?! Put your glasses on man, I said: " All these threads, the hundreds of discussions about God and what not... They're all the same: Why God? God and War God's Sadness Could God Give a Computer a Soul? the Father, the Son and . . . Religion vs Reason The Last Word--the ultimate God discussion Christians, What Do You Think? Women and Religion - Open Thread Jesus Question Labeling Atheism When did God begin? Jesus......REJECTED! (Nice one JCP)" I repeat: THEY ARE ALL THE SAME. And, hmm, let's see all the ones I posted were about God so that means they all share a similar topic! The same topic! You're right, clearly I'm the child here... And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
Oh, and I guess that settles that. And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
quote: Even without my glasses on I can read that sentence Edward. But, it's clear -- you haven't actually read any of those threads. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
You're editorializing it. I said: "I'd imagine that I'm the youngest one on this thread and I realize that these subjects seem rather unimportant for adults to be talking about. So what if there is life somewhere else?" Maybe you didn't read the sentence after that: "So what if there is life somewhere else?" I said that in respects to speaking about ET. Now you're just reaching and trying to plant your feet on anything. But clearly you're running out of room. Maybe you feel that you're on a mission to win the arguement with the 18 year old? Save face, save pride or save something. And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
Is "these subjects" singular or plural? |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
This is going along the lines of being pathetic now. When I said you were reaching, I didn't know how good you are at it. Obviously "these threads" is plural. But I was still speaking in respects to the ET topic because this isn't the first time aliens have been the subject of a thread. And clearly I wrote "They are all the same:" with a colon to list the threads that are in fact all the same. You know, I feel that we are beating around the bush here. You've been whittled down to a single question to support your arguement. And that question has no ground to stand on. What more do you want out of this? And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
I'm not whittled down to my last question at all Edward -- you're just down to your last pawn. There isn't anyone with a command of the English language that's going to buy you're bifurcated thesis that you now want to put forth. What more I want out of this is what I've said from the beginning.... defend your position. Show us why these topics are 'unimportant'. If you don't want to do that, and want to insist that you don't have enough command of the English language to actually write what you meant and that the 'unimportant' label doesn't apply to the topics you did list -- which have nothing to do with Aliens at all -- then... prove your purported new thesis. That they are all the same. In fact... I'll let you off if you can just prove that these two are the same: Could God Give a Computer a Soul? Jesus......REJECTED! |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
All right, I'll admit it when I'm wrong. I didn't correctly explain my thoughts, I figured I didn’t have to spell things out for a five year old. I was, in fact saying that an alien thread seems silly in the Alley; that's all. Though I did say that from the start: "these subjects seem rather unimportant for adults to be talking about. SO WHAT IF THERE IS LIFE SOMEWHERE ELSE? You'll still lose your marrow when you die. All these threads, the hundreds of discussions ABOUT GOD AND WHAT NOT... They're all the same:" And I think everyone got the idea loud and clear what I was trying to say. But you were the one who got all high and mighty about it. You let your ego take over and it made you nasty. You were the first to reply to my post, and what you said from the start was downright disdainful. You were being very confrontational. I think I realize now why, because in the list I posted, I named one of your threads (that you probably worked hard on like everything else you do). I didn't realize the computer thread was yours, I didn't even think about it. But I am sure that you took it personally when you saw your topic on my list. "There isn't anyone with a command of the English language that's going to buy you're bifurcated thesis that you now want to put forth." "If you don't want to do that, and want to insist that you don't have enough command of the English language to actually write what you meant" There's a few words that PiP's won't allow me to use, so I can't correctly portray my thoughts. But let me just say that you might be the most condescending person on here, unnecessarily condescending. The two quotes from you are just... well, nasty. Your ego is too large and your mouth is that of a septic tank. I've stated this problem to you before and you've ignored my statements, perhaps you're in denial as to how rude you really are. After reading this, you will probably brush it off and go back to my comments and point out the things I have said but remember: my first post was humorous. Your reply to my post was meant to degrade and that's how I took it, so I gave it right back to you. And just the fact that you use words like "bifurcated" tells me that you use your knowledge to make yourself feel higher than people. It doesn't work mind you, but it doesn't feel good either, it’s obtuse. "In fact... I'll let you off if you can just prove that these two are the same: Could God Give a Computer a Soul? Jesus......REJECTED!" This tells me that you were directly offended by my list; you're selfishly offended, it's all about you. Of all the ones on the list, you picked yours and another's. What I was trying to say, is that those threads about God were strange. (Could God give a computer a soul? I wonder? Could God give a rock a soul? Or could He give some hand lotion a soul? Maybe a pen? Or a cardboard box? So yes, that is silly) And they are similar because they both deal with God. The toy thread from Balladeer wasn’t silly at all. And for that I apologize to balladeer. I can't say it any other way. I tried numerously to end this but you didn't want peace obviously, you wanted band-aids for your broken ego to make you happy (in reference to me listing your thread). I'm sure your ego is fine now. Though I really feel sorry that you feel that you have to be this way to get anyone to interact with you. You turned a very harmless joke into something as stupid as your whole argument. Huan's very first post had humor in it: "Great . . .So instead of God they’re looking for Spock." I thought that meant it was ok to joke around. Plain and simply you blew everything out of proportion: “When you insulted everyone on planet Earth Ed, that was levity. Trite and hack, sure, but -- we specialize in that when it comes to levity” "You went on, rather unfortunately, to insult Ron, his forums, and everyone who participates in discussion threads." Sounds like you were looking for a fight and you got one. I'm tired of this. "Surely you have more important things to think about." You know what, maybe you're right. I've already wasted enough time on a rude old man. Have a happy new year and God bless. – Ed And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
The insolent are always outraged when challenged. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
Yes that's true. But you can't hide behind that excuse forever. Ya need to start owning up... And I said to the devil, "You better leave my spleen alone." |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
I'm not hiding anything Edward. But, according to you I should hide my vocabulary? It's rather, you, that keeps bobbing and weaving around. But, if you can't back up your assertions -- then you just can't. You're the one making hasty generalizations, but, you aren't Loki. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
"I'm not hiding anything Edward. But, according to you I should hide my vocabulary?" LOL I figured you'd focus on one thing and forget the rest. You think I want you to hide your absolutely amazing vocabulary because I said: "you use words like "bifurcated" tells me that you use your knowledge to make yourself feel higher than people." I think you should hide how utterly rude you are. "It's rather, you, that keeps bobbing and weaving around." But you're the one that can't answer a question unless it's with another question. Lol, you are unbelievable. "But, if you can't back up your assertions -- then you just can't." How can you not see how rude and offensive you are? You never reply on that. I wonder why... |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
I'll leave that as a matter to the galley Edward. |
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Edward Grim Senior Member
since 2005-12-18
Posts 1154Greenville, South Carolina |
Lol, and you call me ambiguous. What a crock |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
There's nothing ambiguous about that statement at all Edward. (Typo aside,my apologies) It is a matter for the galleRy to decide who is being rude or not. If one man calls me a jackass I have no concern about it whatsoever. Especially when that man made his debut by insulting everyone. If, however -- five men call me a jackass -- then -- I'll be on my way to the saddle store. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. How far way is the nearest star apart from our own? How long would it take to get there or get here? How old would any event seen on that star, by the most powerful telescope, be relative to the observer? How far then, (and all the other questions), is the star, apart from our own, that has a thing that we would categorize as a planet? . |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
'bifurcated' is a difficult word? I admit I don't get what's going on here. The nearest star is our sun. The second nearest star is roughly 4 light years away, the Centauri system. What it all comes down to, I guess, is significance. The ability to detect terrestrial planets around other star systems is an amazing thing. So were/are the Mars landers, the Titan probe and the trip to Pluto. None of these, I suspect, will have any real world significance for you. They do for me. Vote for a different congressman next time? |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
Given the fate of the dinasaurs -- doesn't space exploration have real world significance? quote: |
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