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Mistletoe Angel 
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
Seriously, I can't understand what the big deal is about Cheney accidentally shooting another while hunting, especially when the attorney shot was apologetic toward him. It seems people from both sides of the aisle are treating this like some of the biggest news to come out in a month or so, but I can't fathom why this ridiculous story is such a big deal. I can't help but believe there's some who want to paint Dick Cheney as the Edward Kennedy of the right in that, like Kennedy, he was late in reporting an accident. The bottom line, there is no comparison here. Though I believe it to be a stretch that Kennedy deliberately murdered the woman in the car, as some right-wingers suggest on and off, I do believe he's guilty for being late in reporting the accident in where her life possibly could have been saved on time, and I'm not suprised that incident all but certainly cost him his presidential bid. If you're going to compare a meaningless hunting accident with a life-determining accident, it just isn't going to work. By God, there's a number of things that make Cheney look much worse than Kennedy on that night, you can take your pick, from his supposed role in the Plame leaking to put her life in jeopardy and hurt our own national security, to deliberately manipulating intelligence and schemes in going to war with Iraq which has costed tens of thousands of needless lives, to the corporate corruption in Halliburton, from giving desanitized water to troops in Iraq to war profiteering. Am I missing something here? Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" |
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Balladeer
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What you are missing, Noah, is the White House Press Corps frothing at the mouth that a small Texas paper got the story before they did. That's all that was important to them...that THEY broke the story. You are seeing nothing more than tweaked noses outraged that a headline shot got past them and they are retaliating with the one weapon they have....the news. Watch for the outrage to continue with all kinds of innuendos... By the way, knowing your Bush administration despising attitudes, I sincerely congratulate you on not having the bad taste to try to capitalize on an unfortunate accident. You show decent character, sir, and I applaud that.  |
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Midnitesun
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
Noah, to me, it was non-news, especially compared to all the other news that is going on around the world. Many fatal hunting accidents happen that don't make headlines. Now if he had done it on purpose? well, 'twould be a different story, and news worthy no matter who pulled the trigger. Let's get past this and deal with REAL issues. |
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Christopher
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Agreed that it's overblown, but disagree about it being "meaningless," as the gentleman who was shot remains in the hospital with bird shot embedded in the muscles of his heart. It's serious, though seemingly unintentional and certainly not something that was witheld for any undue amount of time. |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
 Thanks, Balladeer! There are many things that this administration have done that I believe opposition and critique toward are justified, from Iraq to warrantless wiretapping to their role with all other levels of government in the Katrina fiasco. Trying to defame Cheney over what even all the press admits as an accident is NOT one of them, as well as putting ones National Guard memos, windsurfing pasttimes or dressing in a space suit into it. I've heard that Cheney may not have had a license available. I've heard the attorney coincidentally had a heart attack after the incident. So what? This doesn't change the fact that it was an accidental shooting and both were apologetic of it. Accidents are commonplace in hunting among many other sports and recreational activities. It is shameful that our press would turn away from all the real serious headlines like the final Katrina report and the call for a wiretapping inquiry and the Iran nuclear dilemma, and turn their attention to this. Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" Mother Teresa |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
What amazed me a bit, though not overly much, was the massive amount of media buzz Cheney's hunting accident caused among the DC press corps, but nary a mention of Gore's visit to the Middle East. They happened about the same time, Gore purposely shooting off his mouth to inflame sentiment, and Cheney accidentally shooting his friend. Gore at Jeddah |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
I don't believe there was anything inappropriate about Gore's trip and response either. I do hope Gore realizes that his political career is over, so if he was hoping making such statements would elevate his comeback to the presidential platform, he is sorely mistaking. But Gore was absolutely right when he said in Saudi Arabia that most Americans do not support any discriminatory treatment of Arabs, as well as that it's important that Arabs take a stand on Iran's nuclear program. I'm assuming the real issue some have here is that he spoke it outside of the United States, like many threw a hissy fit when Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks said those words that made the world stand still and all at a London concert. But believe me, I have a wicked backward mouse-click that can point out many instances in which those with this administration did likewise. And it doesn't matter to me where such things are said. London, Paris, Tonga, Lesotho, I couldn't care less unless it was done to promote blasphemy or hate-speech propaganda. The only irony about what Gore said was that he was complaining in Saudi Arabia about "endemic hyper-corruption" among Tehran's religious and political elite, yet the Saudi religious and political elite is just as corrupt and have a history of suppressing dissent outside the royal family and such. Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" |
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Brad Member Ascendant
since 1999-08-20
Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/15/dick-cheneys-feelings/ quote: Poor Dick. |
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Midnitesun
since 2001-05-18
Posts 28647Gaia |
LOL, poor Dick.  Ya, right. I just wish the media could spend as much effort on issues that actually affect the greater majority of the populace. LAst night, PBS aired an excellent special about the proliferation of meth in this country. Oregon has had a long-running battle with this problem, which appears to have spread across the country recently. How many hours has the media (or the government) spent on this far-encompassing problem? And this is only one of so many issues that need attention. I sure hope that man doesn't die from his wounds, but hunting is hunting, and you know the risks when you carry a gun into a setting like that. It's a tragic accident, and if it brings any news to the front, it should be a focus on hunting safety rules. |
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Christopher
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since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
quote:So, Noah, it's ok for the Vice President to illegaly be hunting, but it's evil for the President to [supposedly] break the law to protect our country? Some priorities may need to be reevaluated. |
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Balladeer
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poor Dick.....once again, Noah, I applaud you on your character. |
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Christopher
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Oh - and the heart attack wasn't "coincidental" - it was as a direct result from having bird shot lodged in the muscles of his heart. |
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Balladeer
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Nothing inappropriate about Gore's speech, Noah? By JIM KRANE Associated Press Writer JIDDAH, Saudi Arabia Former Vice President Al Gore told a mainly Saudi audience on Sunday that the U.S. government committed "terrible abuses" against Arabs after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and that most Americans did not support such treatment. Gore told the largely Saudi audience, many of them educated at U.S. universities, that Arabs in the United States had been "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable." "Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it's wrong," Gore said. "I do want you to know that it does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country." The man is a liar, an opportunist and a discredit to his party and the United States. |
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Balladeer
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Gore did real good in Manila, too.. ENVIRONETDAILY Scientists slam Gore Filipino experts lament 'celebrity' speech in which Al presented doomsday scenario Posted: February 13, 2006 4:30 p.m. Eastern © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Two scientists in the Philippines are slamming former Vice President Al Gore for making a visit to Manila and presenting both a global-warming doomsday scenario and an analysis of local environmental conditions they say were way off the mark. "There we go again. A foreign celebrity coming over for a quick visit, giving a talk, and we are all in adulation, taking everything said as gospel truth," Carlo Arcilla, Ph.D., said in a statement e-mailed to the Inquirer newspaper. Archilla and Fernando Siringan, Ph.D., both from the University of the Philippines, lamented Gore's Thursday appearance, saying his "exaggerated" global warming scenario is being given more attention in the nation than solutions offered by Filipino environmental experts. According to the local report, the scientists assert too much use of ground water by typical Manila households and businesses – not global warming – was the bigger reason the metropolis is sinking. At Gore's Manila speech, which was attended by government officials and diplomats, the former vice president warned that up to 2 million Manila-area residents may have to be evacuated from flooded communities as melting glaciers and the polar icecap raise sea levels worldwide. Gore warned the problem could cause a disaster scenario within 10 years and urged local officials to take action. "The problem with these exaggerated and very general pronouncements about environmental doomsday scenarios is that they distract us from the real local problems which we can really do something about," Arcilla told the Inquirer. He said that global warming was "a serious threat to humanity, (but) it is certainly not in the terms that Gore presents." Continued Archilla: "While it is true that global warming could contribute to the rise, this is only in the millimeters, but the centimeters' rise could be attributed more to heavy groundwater extraction which results in subsidence, which makes it appear that the sea is invading land." The scientists urged officials to consider local analysis before falling for everything Gore presented. |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
The passage of the Gore article you provided, I don't see anything wrong with what he said. There is unfortunate discrimination out there, and I don't fault the administration for it, but with radical Islamic groups becoming increasingly vocal and their violent influences generating mass misunderstanding and prejudice toward mainstream Islam faithful and Muslims in general, there are abuses happening out there and mass misunderstanding of their culture and the Quran among other things generating resentment and uneasiness toward American Muslims here at home. One has every right to think of what he said as opportunistic, but I believe Gore was right in what he said, and he holds no elected office now, and he has all but certainly no chance in ever reaching a presidential platform again. Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
As far as Manila is concerned, I absolutely appreciate that Gore is trying to bring the global warming concern to the mainstream front, in that it is indeed an issue that exists that needs to be addressed deeper, although I do agree that Gore's fearmongering approach doesn't do any good, and that local concerns should be most important for each community, as indeed the mantra is "Think globally, act locally". Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" Mother Teresa |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_041070217.html There was one statement I am surprised that got minimal media attention, and that was when Maryland lieutenant governor Michael Steele appeared to compare stem cell research to Nazi medical experimentings. (Steele later apologized for the comments.) Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" Mother Teresa |
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Balladeer
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Very well, Noah. If you don't see anything wrong with what he said or where he said it I must retract my earlier comments to you and any further discussion on it between us would be useless, if we are that far apart. |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
Balladeer, you haven't specified exactly what you believe is wrong with what Gore said. You said he was a liar and opportunist without mentioning what was specifically wrong with either the locale, content or intent of what he said. What were you hoping I'd say? That there has been no abuse happening to Arabs since 9/11? That most Americans do support such treatment? That it does represent the desires, wishes and feelings of a majority of people of this country? Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" Mother Teresa |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Well, my first impression on hearing Gore's tone and statements on cable news (when it was aired) were painted with such broad strokes that it sounded almost as if every Muslim or Arab in the entire US was rounded up, loaded into cattle cars and oil tankers, and interred at Gitmo under the cover of darkness. We all know that wasn't the case, but Gore's bombastic speaking style coupled with his target audience sure make it seem like that happened. I'm almost positive Al-Jezeera didn't quote Gore at all.  |
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Balladeer
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Exactly, 'cat, and if it impressed you that way, imagine the impressions the Saudis got...police and military running around, rounding up Arabs everywhere, throwing them in cells under deplorable conditions....this is the impression he gives just to blast the asministration to an arab country at a time when riots are going on over simple cartoons. Tell me, Noah. What information or recollection do you have of Arabs being rounded up in the US. Describe for me the deplorable conditions they were subjected to, please. Gore's actions are not only dishonest and pathetic - they are treasonous. Be proud of him if you like....in my book he is pure slime. |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
Wow, you guys are good. You managed to completely change the subject to Al Gore. Maybe the Republicans should hire you. I don't see anything newsworthy here folks -- no, not at all, I mean... Vice Presidents shoot people, what? Every couple hundred years or so? Calm down press corps... calm down. Wait for the next one. It's out there with Hale Bop. |
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Balladeer
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LOL!  Actually it was a fairly easy and understandable transition. Two events at the same time....Gore selling out the US in Saudi Arabia and Cheney shooting a lawyer (which I have always thought should be legal). Which one gets the headlines, the event or the non-event?Non-event wins.....press corps temper tantrum wins the day. |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
There is an old adage Mike. Never piss off someone who buys ink by the barrell. Something this administration has turned into a sport. While I understand the blowing of gaskets -- it just illustrates what happens when any cadre gets to be too inbred. The beltway, first through fifth estates, is completely self obsessed and out of touch with what's going on on the other side of the Potomac. |
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Balladeer
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Here's another story Cheney kicked off the pages.... ISTANBUL, Turkey (Feb. 2) - In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made, American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother. They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison - where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv. "Valley of the Wolves Iraq" - set to open in Turkey on Friday - feeds off the increasingly negative feelings many Turks harbor toward their longtime NATO allies: Americans. The movie, which reportedly cost some $10 million, is the latest in a new genre of popular culture that demonizes the United States. It comes on the heels of a novel called "Metal Storm" about a war between Turkey and the U.S., which has been a best seller for months. One recent opinion poll revealed the depth of the hostility in Turkey toward Americans: 53 percent of Turks who responded to the 2005 Pew Global Attitudes survey associated Americans with the word "rude"; 70 percent with "violent"; 68 percent with "greedy"; and 57 percent with "immoral." Advance tickets are already selling out across Turkey for the film, which has dialogue in Turkish, Arabic, Kurdish and English. In addition to Turkey, the film is set to be shown in more than a dozen other countries - including the United States, Britain, Germany, The Netherlands, Britain, Denmark, Russia, Egypt, Syria and Australia. The movie's American stars are Billy Zane, who plays a self-professed "peacekeeper sent by God," and Gary Busey as the Jewish-American doctor. Hooray for Hollywood.... |
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Local Rebel Member Ascendant
since 1999-12-21
Posts 5767Southern Abstentia |
not the best of segues Mike... but, have you noticed how fast this thread about a non-event has filled up? water cooler talk... and you say it isn't news!  |
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Balladeer
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What do I know? Just goes to show ya... |
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Carolina Member
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I heard he was quail hunting.. I didn't think the guy he shot looked too much like quail.  Or was he aiming for Dan Quayle?? I'm sorry.. I couldn't resist.... lol don't shoot me for trying to be funny... |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
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I agree with Local Rebel that neither the Cheney or Gore story is important news here. Looking at the transcript, I certainly don't see Gore referring to the US rounding up every Muslim and Arab and "loading them into cattle cars and interred at Gitmo under the cover of darkness." Gore's speech was reassuring more than anything else by the sound of it. Reassuring that a unanimous majority of Americans do not believe in any form of abuse or prejudice toward Arabs, and it helps to continue to make that clear when forms of misunderstanding and propaganda are still spread worldwide about their cultural beliefs, the Quran among other things which generate this tension. One can choose to continue to push Cheney or Gore through every conversation, but there are too many stories umpteen times far more important than both of these, like what is our government going to do to house and feed the tens of thousands that remain homeless from the Katrina aftermath? What will it take to finally make universal health care possible here? What will it take to finally move away from foreign oil nations and work toward a sustainable economy? Those are the types of stories most Americans would desire to hear more about. Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" |
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Balladeer
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Gore's speech was reassuring...Gore telling Saudis that we rounded up and brutalized Arabs after 9/11 is reassuring...( I would appreciate any references or knowledge you may have of that) Noah, we live in two different realities. I think I'll stick with mine and i wish you the best in yours... |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
I believe it appropriate that these particular issues regarding any concerned post-911 discrimination or abuse be discussed in a new thread seperate from this. I desired to open this thread to begin with to make a point of how Cheney's accident and all other personal parts of someone's life (unless it was something violent or descecrating of sorts) are not the type of things that should be flooding news headlines. That's not important, as is reitierating a common understanding of America being tolerant toward Arabs and all other peoples and faiths, and any abuse the tiniest, slightest, razor-thin percentage of those in America encourage are the opposite view of the unanimous majority of Americans, like Gore did. I'm more than willing to discuss this in a new thread, not here. Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" |
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Brad Member Ascendant
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Posts 5705Jejudo, South Korea |
C'mon, Mike. Your reality isn't making any sense right now. Argue semantics if you want, but do you think anybody really believes you're ignorant of what's happened? |
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Balladeer
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Brad, I didn't know that you were qualified to speak for everybody....but i should have guessed you would think so. btw, I have no idea what you mean by "what's happened".. [This message has been edited by Balladeer (02-16-2006 08:09 PM).] |
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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams |
lol. I come from a hunting family and often when inexpeirienced poeple are hunting chances of injury raise even if cheney and the other guy were both experienced. also with duck? many bullutes shoot out of the gun at once so any thing could of happened. it could of gone off as he was pulling it up. But yeah..... as for gore.... can some one tell the guy he is not president. -<>-~-<>-~-<>- |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
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The reason I initially mentioned Gore's speech at the Jeddah Economic council was to illustrate that there were indeed other things going on which I considered 'newsworthy' which were backburnered or even ignored by the DC press corp in their pursuit of anything to damage the Bush Administration. Why would I consider Gore's tirade newsworthy? Let's see: rash of civil and uncivil protests and demonstrations in the Middle East, Europe, India, Southeast Asia and Oceania stemming from Danish satirical cartoons, America being somehow connected to those same Danish cartoons illustrated in attacks and demonstrations on embassies and military installations, highly anti-American Turkish films being aired, and on top of that there's Gore telling a predominantly Saudi audience about alleged abuses to Arabs and Muslims living in the US legally or not following 9/11. quote: To my knowledge, Detroit was not emptied of Muslims. Being the largest concentration of Arabs and Muslims in the US, that would've been quite an undertaking. For whatever reason, mass media ignored Gore's inflammatory comments during a time of even higher tension than normal, and instead focused their energies on Cheney's hunting accident. |
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Mistletoe Angel
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His comments were anything but inflammatory. Gore was playing the role of statesman in that speech, where indeed there is mass unrest and disarray in the Middle East right now, and while many of the vocal radical Islam groups try to spread the propaganda that all the U.S believes in discrimination and abuse of their people, Gore was there trying to slice through that window dressing and assure them that 99.9+% of Americans do not stand for any such thing, whether it's at Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib, and while unfortunately a little of that razor-thin percentage is influenced in parts of this administration, America condemns any such thing, as John McCain's torture ban bill and other such things shows. Now, if someone has full text of his entire speech and would like to point out where he says the entire United States or so is responsible for their abuse, please do so. From all the press releases I've seen, he is specifically condemning those few in this administration who make up that razor-thin minority in defending torture or like-abuse in any particular form, who are out of the mainstream with America on treating all with dignity whether it's a pre-911 or post-911 environment. I don't agree with everything Gore does either, and though I do believe he truly won the 2000 election and not Bush (Thomas A. Cooper to give you a hint why), I wish Gore could just bury the election woe hatchet and move on and focus on the issues truly affecting people's lives, like he is with his global warming movie. However, I truly believe there's some that just like to bash or ridicule Gore at every opportunity, and I believe either it's that self-serving bias at play here, or some are just looking too far into what he said and almost wanting to believe he was accusing all the United States and not the U.S government to say "A-ha!" and point a finger. In fact, he didn't even mention Bush in the speech. Forget Cheney's shhoting accident, forget Gore's speech. The mass media should be focusing on the final Katrina report, the new budget, things like that which REALLY affect American lifestyles. I wonder if most are even aware of the Pentagon likely planning a submarine-launched ballistic missile attack raid against Iran as early as next month:  Forget about how ones words could influence antagonism. Actions speak louder than words after all, and I fear if this option is committed, our relations with the greater Middle East will be further heavily damaged. Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" |
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hush Senior Member
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Okay... um... the man shot somebody. I'd hardly call it non-news. To me, the entire thing sounds fishy... two guys in orange vests hunting quail and one accidentally shoots the other... apparently there was "one beer" to be had earlier in the day... and then... oops! But regardless, just because I think it sounds fishy doesn't mean it is. I'm probably just being cynical and suspicious, it was probably a complete accident. Still. The point remains... the vice president shot a man. That's a pretty big oops, no matter what the circumstances were surrounding it. |
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PoetryIsLife
since 2001-10-27
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"Agreed that it's overblown, but disagree about it being "meaningless," as the gentleman who was shot remains in the hospital with bird shot embedded in the muscles of his heart. It's serious, though seemingly unintentional and certainly not something that was witheld for any undue amount of time." Well said, Christopher. ~Daniel/Titus |
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iliana Member Patricius
since 2003-12-05
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The delay in reporting the incident in national press is interesting to me. The fact that the Associated Press was NOT flying with this story immediately is notable; after all it involved the most powerful VP in recent history and one of the most powerful politican builders in the state of Texas ... yes it was big news...that it was not news immediately. This is typical of this administration though; e.g., we didn't know about the ports deal (and so many other deals) until there's little possibility to stop it...or it will cost us points with the UAE if we do. And Noah....you are right. They've been pounding the drums in the same manner they did before they went into Iraq. Also identical...using the media the way they want. This administration knows how to use the media. I'll give 'em that, Balladeer. BTW Noah...I heard the tailend of a newscast tonight about some last minute truce with Iran for two years or something on the nuclear deal ---- has that really happened? |
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iliana Member Patricius
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ROFL .... heard this joke today and can't resist: Qustion: What is more dangerous than a wounded bear? Answer: A lame duck. |
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LeeJ Member Patricius
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yanno, most of you already know that I disagree with this administration on a lot of issues...but on this...the other night, I was listening to the Awards, and someone stood up and made a horrible joke about Cheney shooting his friend. I turned off the Awards...why? Well b/c, I believe, as much as I don't like Cheney, I feel so sorry for him. I cannot imagine the horror, that he experienced at shooting his friend...the worry, after the heart attack, and knowing those bb's will be imbeded in his friend for the rest of his life. I don't think it's a joking matter...adn I don't believe the man shot his buddy on purpose, but what I do believe is, that for the rest of his life, he and only he will have to live with what happened. Was he hunting illegally without a license? Only he knows, and only he will somehow have to live with that guilt on top of the accident. In times like these, through mishaps or almost near deaths, accidents, whatever, those people involved in the incidents will not only have to atone and live with the guilt, but also, maybe this changes them, maybe this humbles a person so so much, that he/she changes? Again...please keep in mind, if it were you or me... it was an accident...a very serious one, can you even begin to realize the fears between the families...the embarrasment, etc? Imagine the first hours Cheney went through after the shooting? I wouldn't want to be in his shoes for anything in the world. I think Cheney has most definately learned his lesson...unfortunately at someone else's expense, and who is to say, his buddy wasn't somewhat to blame, and walked in front of the spray of b/b's? This incident has nothing to do with performing his job...it was a most unfortuate accident, and I feel badly for both parties. Can you imagine how his friend feels everytime he hears someone joking about this and I really in all sincerity, think the jokes have been so so cruel and unthinking. I believe, before we joke about anything as serious as an almost accidental death, we should be very careful...cuz you never know what we're going to do in the future, and it might come back to haunt us two fold. I don't know, that's just my take on the issue. I feel really bad for both parties involved. Sincerely and surely meaning no insult to anyone, just adding my thoughts to the thread. Many thanks |
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iliana Member Patricius
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Lee, you're right. The shooting was a sad event. The joke I put there refers to the lame duck presidency, though and not Cheney. It just is funny and without a little humor in life, geez, I just don't know how we'd all get by. No offense was meant....just humor and not about Cheney either. |
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JesusChristPose Senior Member
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Posts 777Pittsburgh, Pa |
"[while pointing and waving his half-curled finger] I did not have sex with that woman... Ms. Lewinsky." "If this grand panaorama before me is what you call God... then God is not dead." |
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Mistletoe Angel
since 2000-12-17
Posts 32816Portland, Oregon |
I didn't go so far in turning off the Oscars after Jon Stewart made the quip about Bjork's absence because she was trying on her dress and Dick Cheney shot her, but from the beginning the shooting has been nothing more than an accident and these jokes have gotten so brick-stale. We all do need humor to get by, I actually believe it to be the most important element overlooked in enforcing positive social change. I believe Cheney has been dishonest and manipulative on a wide number of things, but on this honest accident, it isn't funny, it's beating a dead horse. * On the issue of Iran, I really don't think the Pentagon wants to make an infantry invasion of Iran any time soon. I do think there's a great likelihood that there will be some aerial bombings of suspected nuclear-hosting facilities in the region, which I fear will certainly incite more protests among not just Iranians, but Arabs generally. When this will happen, it's hard to say since a majority of Americans prefer diplomatic efforts in the meantime and less than 1 in 6 want military action, but seeing how many operations just happen suddenly and secretively, I fear it could very well be sometime before the end of the year. Sincerely, Noah Eaton "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" |
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LeeJ Member Patricius
since 2003-06-19
Posts 13296 |
I wanted to let you all know, my comment wasn't directed at any one of you...and your absolutely right...humor is one of life's marvelous healers...but, there were so so many jokes from the very beginning...some very mean...and when they are done at someone else's expense, I just think it's cruel...yanno. And yes, that was exactly the joke Noah, as I couldn't remember the joke before. To be honest, I've never really given the Awards the time of day...until this year...and when that joke was made, it really rubbed me the wrong way...I felt so sorry for Cheney...yanno...I guess what I'm saying is this..."how would any one of us feel if we shot one of our best friends by accident, and the whole world was making jokes about it". I mean the guilt of it would just tear me apart???? Oh, and I wonder how many times Cheney was haunted with what could have been...the worst possible senerio is that he could have killed his friend... I dunno, perhaps I'm older now and more sensitive to issues, but after a while, enough, is enough...and some jokes really cut a person hard... anyway...the point I tried to make is, I think the jokes about this issue got a little carried away, especially by those who disapprove of Cheney, and maybe it's me???? words can truly hurt someone, they can kill someone inside, tear apart a soul...as if we'd taken a gun and held it to their head...and I just think, some of the jokes about this issue were way overdone and mean?????? And I've gotta say, in the beginning, I laughed at the jokes to...I did, and I was responsible for thinking Cheney was a you know what for being so stupid, but as time went by I thought about if it had been me...accidents do happen. If he was hunting without the proper sticker on his license, then he will have to atone for that...but I betcha, from my heart, the man will never hunt again with as much confidence as before, not to mention, pay for the stinkin appropriate stickers. Sincerely Lee J. thank you for the opportunity to express my feelings |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
Frankly, if anyone is cowardly, cruel and ignorant enough to go blasting lead shot at other sentient beings for "fun", they deserve all they get. |
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