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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams 
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This says all. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29410258?GT1=43001 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29392964 -Juju -"So you found a girl Who thinks really deep thoughts What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos [This message has been edited by Juju (02-27-2009 01:09 AM).] |
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Sunshine
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Member Empyrean
since 1999-06-25
Posts 63354Listening to every heart |
I use to be a Democrat; I tried for years to understand the ways and means of ways and means; and while at heart, I can be a person who will take care of herself, I don't like handouts; I don't like so much of what the "Dems" have become; So I've vacillated in the last few years [seems like centuries!] and sometimes I have to think about what is best for my community; what is best for my state; what is best for my country.... I think the Registrar is tired of my vacillating mind. I know what a coffin with a flag looks like; I don't think I need to see it displayed over the auspices of what our government had decided what was best to do. These young people did what they wanted to do for a country that chose to help others; whether that was good or bad, they made a decision to do what they thought was best. And for THIS ACT, I applaud not only them, but their families for raising their children to think "country first"; even if it wasn't for their own country. I believe that the Military will always, or at least should always have their place in the United States. My mere thank you to the families will have no place in their hearts over the loss they know. I have always felt that if I could, I would have put myself in the place of those they have lost. Mere words, I know, but I value the action of their loved ones for the price of what our country has always believed in; and freedom is priceless. Thank you, Juju, for giving us this sight; so that we might voice. |
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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams |
Yes, I belong to neither party, but I find myself voting for republicans. Simply because privacy isn't expoited for political gain. It should be the families choice. Unfortunitly it wasn't respected due to political gain. Really sad. -Juju -"So you found a girl Who thinks really deep thoughts What's so amazing about really deep thoughts " Silent all these Years, Tori Amos [This message has been edited by Juju (02-27-2009 01:12 AM).] |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
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I have heard that the same rules will apply to photographs being taken as those that apply within Arlington. Only those who feel comfortable and wish to have the ceremony filmed with have this done. I believe this on on the Rachael Maddow Show this evening, February 26th, in an interview with the head of the Iraq War Veterans for Peace. I believe I have the organization's name correct. If I'd heard they were going to be made a spectacle of, I too, would feel upset. |
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Susan Caldwell Member Rara Avis
since 2002-12-27
Posts 8348Florida |
From the article: "Families of America’s war dead will be allowed to decide if news organizations can photograph the homecomings of their loved ones, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday." So did I miss something? "...but I find myself voting for republicans. Simply because privacy isn't expoited for political gain. It should be the families choice. Unfortunitly it wasn't respected due to political gain." Color me confused.... "too bad ignorance isn't painful" |
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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams |
Now that Obama is in office, The Politicians who were for letting the news agencies run pictures without family consent- now suddenly are for the families have the choice again. You have to read between the lines. This is a left wing source lol. -Juju |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: That’s impressive, clear evidence of change if you ask me. It’s also refreshing that a government has decided to relinquish the responsibility to the folks who should have the freedom to decide for themselves - and Obama is responsible for this piece of common sense you say? Yep very impressive.  |
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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams |
Unfortunately, not that impressive. I am not impressed by politically motivated poeple. -Juju |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
Juju, I was impressed - but I might be missing something - exactly what did Obama and the Democrats do wrong here? Do you think the ban should have stayed in place? Do you think that the press should be given free and unrestricted access? Or do you think that the decision to let the family’s decide was the right way to go? [This message has been edited by Grinch (02-27-2009 10:08 PM).] |
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Juju Member Elite
since 2003-12-29
Posts 3429In your dreams |
The timing. -Juju |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: Do you mean it should have been overturned earlier? How much earlier? Last week, last month? Why not last year or the year before? Or do you think it was overturned too early? Surely if it should be overturned at all it should be done as soon as is practicably possible. |
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Huan Yi Member Ascendant
since 2004-10-12
Posts 6688Waukegan |
. So if 1 family decides to have their son's 1 coffin in a picture while 99 others in the same group don't what happens? Is there a picture of that 1 coffin with no reference or judgement on the 99 others? . |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: If the picture contains 100 coffins then the picture can only be used if all 100 family’s agree, if even 1 refuses permission the picture cannot legally be used. [This message has been edited by Grinch (02-27-2009 10:07 PM).] |
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Bob K Member Elite
since 2007-11-03
Posts 4208 |
I wonder, however, if that means "for attribution." I believe all military caskets look alike and are treated in the same way. Once you start to say, "This is the casket of Bernie Foyle," then, is that the point where permissions begin to be a factor. Or is it the point when an anonymous group of a hundred caskets shows up at an airbase? I'm vague on the legalities of this. Does anybody actually know what the actual law is that governs the situation? |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: That’s a very good point Bob, I have to hold my hand up and admit that I didn‘t, but after some research I think I do now. There is in fact no law I can find prohibiting taking pictures of the coffins returning to Dover, which makes my previous comment regarding legality incorrect. The ban on photography at Dover is a military enforced rule - put another way they just don’t allow it to happen but if it does happen there’s technically no legal process for pursuing punishment or damages specific to taking the photograph. That said I’d be surprised if a claim for undue suffering or invasion of privacy would be kicked out of court if a photo was taken and published without the family’s permission. . |
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