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Alicat
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since 1999-05-23

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Coastal Texas

0 posted 2004-10-05 03:13 PM

With all the latest talks about the U.S. led coalition in Iraq, and how Bremer says we didn't have enough troops there, how is it that noone seems to recall Turkey's promise to allow U.S. divisions to attack Iraq from the north for a generous aid package?

They get the package, then suddenly change their mind. The military divisions waiting in Turkey had to be removed at the last moment and sent to Kuwait. No northern campaign to clear militants while the southern campaign cleared militants.

With friends like that, who needs enemies?

jbouder
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since 1999-09-18

Posts 2534
Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash

1 posted 2004-10-05 03:16 PM

Yeah ... like he said. Turkey ... what a fowl, fowl country.

Denise

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Member Seraphic

since 1999-08-22

Posts 22648

2 posted 2004-10-05 05:26 PM

And if Turkey had kept its word, the troops that would have advanced from the north, along with the troops already advancing from the south, would have crushed the insurgents smack dab in the middle. They wouldn't have survived to cause the mayhem they are causing today.

Balladeer

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since 1999-06-05

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Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA

3 posted 2004-10-05 07:53 PM

You make an excellent point, 'cat....I wouldn't bend over anytime soon, though

Not A Poet
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since 1999-11-03

Posts 3885
Oklahoma, USA

4 posted 2004-10-05 11:03 PM

What the hell does an ambassador know that generals on the ground don't?

I do have to agree about Turkey though.

Brad
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since 1999-08-20

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Jejudo, South Korea

5 posted 2004-10-05 11:27 PM

Ah, it's Turkey's fault.

But wait, at least you admit there is a problem.

That's the first step.

Hmmm, what about listening to those generals again?

Alicat
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since 1999-05-23

Posts 4094
Coastal Texas

6 posted 2004-10-05 11:37 PM

Heh...not laying it all at Turkey's doorstep, although there was a breach of contract there. Bremer has noted several times that there wasn't enough 'boots on the ground', and there's a reason: no northern offensive through the Sunni Muslim zones we're currently having problems with. Funny how noone wants to look at the Shia Muslim zones where there is very little aggression, and lots of economic stability.

Ron

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Member Rara Avis

since 1999-05-19

Posts 8669
Michigan, US

7 posted 2004-10-05 11:46 PM

Simple solution. Let's invade them, too. We can get them on Contracts of Mass Breachment, I should think.

Balladeer

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Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA

8 posted 2004-10-05 11:47 PM

(released 10 minutes ago by AP)

During a speech Tuesday at Michigan State University, he said his remarks had been somewhat distorted by the media.

"We certainly had enough (troops) going into Iraq, because we won the war in a very short three weeks," Bremer said.
..............................................

Distorted by the media??? What a radical thought!!!!!

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read it in English, thank a soldier.

Brad
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since 1999-08-20

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Jejudo, South Korea

9 posted 2004-10-05 11:48 PM

I see, is this a nuanced thread?

Or are you flip flopping (again)?

Brad
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Jejudo, South Korea

10 posted 2004-10-05 11:54 PM

quote:
"We certainly had enough (troops) going into Iraq, because we won the war in a very short three weeks," Bremer said.

And by that thinking, the Soviets won in Afghanistan.

Go ahead have a party.

Balladeer

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Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA

11 posted 2004-10-06 12:04 PM

LOL!

Address your comment to Bremer, Brad. They are his words, not mine

Midnitesun

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since 2001-05-18

Posts 28647
Gaia

12 posted 2004-10-06 12:05 PM

We 'won' the war? Oh really?

I don't know what war that could be that anyone won....look at what is happening.
True, Saddam is not in office, but to say that we have won, or that the Iraqui people have won, is such a farce.
And as for the war on terrorism??? I'm afraid it has barely begun.

Brad
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since 1999-08-20

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Jejudo, South Korea

13 posted 2004-10-06 12:14 PM

Fair enough, Mike.

So, you think it was silly too?

You can still have a party though.

Craw
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since 2003-09-11

Posts 73
Scotland

14 posted 2004-10-11 07:43 AM

Turkey's got an appalling human rights record and has conducted a genocidal campaign against the
Kurds. Why don't we take them to task?
Because they're a democracy?

Because they've really got weapons of mass destruction?

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