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Bridget Shenachie
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since 2002-01-23

Posts 1056
Kansas USA

0 posted 2003-10-28 12:59 PM

Miss Nan has generously allowed our writing group, The Prairie Inkwells, to post poems in her workshop that have been written by our members who are not on-line. Please check out the poems in the Poetry Workshop that have been posted under the UserName Prairie Inkwells during October 2003 and welcome Della Burch and Margaret Riley. You'll find some intriquing examples of free verse.

Shenachie

Mysteria

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since 2001-03-07

Posts 18328
British Columbia, Canada

1 posted 2003-10-28 02:25 PM

I had forgotten about your Prairie Inkwells, and of course think it great you found a way to get those that write some feedback from online poets, and thanks for letting us know Bridget.

Toad
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since 2002-06-16

Posts 161

2 posted 2003-10-28 03:51 PM

It seems like a good idea but isn’t it technically against the rules to post the work of another poet? I fully understand the reason why the rule has been relaxed in this case but doesn’t it just open the floodgates for similar posts. Take me for instance, I have several friends who write but don’t own a computer, can I ask them if I can post their poems?

Sorry to be a pain, I just think it’s confusing to see poems posted on behalf of other people while at the same time telling people they can’t post anything but their own work.

Could someone clarify the situation?

Sunshine

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since 1999-06-25

Posts 63354
Listening to every heart

3 posted 2003-10-28 04:34 PM

Toad, this is a matter that came up well over a year ago, in hopes that our Prairie Inkwells writing group could help our newer members get some exposure via Workshop, ONLY. I did this with Nan's blessing, and the posts are used only from the Workshop for feedback from our multitude of members who frequent that area, and that area only. As this is a work in progress, and the feedback is then taken to the writers for their benefit, there is no other interaction from Prairie Inkwells in any of the other forums. If you have any concerns on this, please see Nan.

Thank you.

Sunshine, co-founder and
member of Prairie Inkwells

Toad
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since 2002-06-16

Posts 161

4 posted 2003-10-28 04:54 PM

Sunshine,

Thanks for the clarification of the circumstances surrounding these specific posts but it doesn’t really answer my question. I understand that Nan has given her permission for the posts to be placed in that particular forum my confusion was concerning whether it is now permissible to post the work of others (in that or any other forum)? If so is it a general relaxing of the rule against such posts and applicable to all members or is each case judged on its merits and if so what are the selection criteria and how does the selection process work?

Hopefully Nan, Ron or another moderator will clarify my confusion.

Sunshine

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5 posted 2003-10-28 05:06 PM

In short, I believe the answer to be "no". But I'm sure Nan will clarify that. Thanks, Toad.

I'm back.

If you were to have the same circumstances as what I approached Nan with almost two years ago [next February], then I would guess she would say "sure, Toad, bring in the work of those members, and we can give it some feedback, input, etc., but only ONE person from your group will be able to post the work verbatim, and IF your members come in and want to post on their own when they have access to a computer, then you will want to make sure they set up a username of their own." Or words to that effect.

Posting for others would still be [and is] verboten in all forums.

[This message has been edited by Sunshine (10-28-2003 05:10 PM).]

Toad
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since 2002-06-16

Posts 161

6 posted 2003-10-28 05:31 PM

Thanks for taking the time to reply Sunshine sorry for hijacking the thread it was just that the guidelines are fairly specific that all poems should be the original work of the member who posts them which caused my confusion.

quote:
* Do not post the words of another (even with their permission)

Copyright Protection

We try very hard to protect your copyrights and expect you to respect those of other writers. Please do not post any poetry or prose unless you are the author and hold the copyright to it. That includes:

Poetry or Lyrics by a published author.

You may think you are sharing and even advertising, but that's not your decision to make. Only the author can decide where they want their work displayed.

Poetry by a friend or relative.

Even if you have permission from a person, the poem should not be posted at pipTalk. Ask your friend to register and post for themselves.

Anonymous poetry.

Just because you found a lovely poem on the Internet marked "Author Unknown" doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't belong to someone. On the contrary, many of our poets have found their own poetry posted somewhere with similar wording. Usually, if it's anonymous, that just means someone in the chain didn't bother to give the author credit.

I was honestly unaware that the guideline had been amended, please accept my apology.

Regarding the new rule allowing such posts would it not be a good idea to change the guideline to reflect the decision to allow groups to post? Perhaps it would also be helpful to supply details of what will be acceptable, where such posts are permissible and to whom requests for such permission should be directed. I’m sure more groups will take advantage of this offer if it’s made clear that it’s now available.

Thanks again for your help and sorry again for interrupting this thread.

[This message has been edited by Toad (10-28-2003 05:33 PM).]

Sunshine

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7 posted 2003-10-28 07:09 PM

I'm sure that such an addition to our guidelines is something that Nan and the Wiz may be working on, if not before, certainly now, Toad.  This was something that was held in a more or less private discussion with Nan, as I said, some time ago.  Things change.  While we advocate that everyone posts their own poetry everywhere else, Nan gave our poetry group, as well as her own "Class", an opportunity to get feedback from all over the world.

I think in this instance, a special dispensation of forums may be allowed.  If I am wrong, Nan and/or Ron will step in.  I, for one, am ever learning in this New World of ours.  I still know people who are afraid of, or believe that a computer can not help them.  But just look at the post in Poetry Workshop, "Travels".  That poet, surely, could benefit from a computer, don't you think?

Toad, if your questions make it so we have to declare that this action on the part of Nan and Prairie Inkwells may not interact, that will be OK.  Like I said, I didn't do this without permission, and it is specific to one certain area.

I'm sure Nan and/or Ron will weigh in with their thoughts, sooner or later.  Thanks so much for allowing this conversation to exist.  That way, others can see exactly what is going on in a Forum they might not otherwise frequent [and may feel that it's time they did!]

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