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Krawdad
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0 posted 2004-07-09 12:11 PM


Beware the "Patriot"


Beware the US House of Reps
and guard your reading habits
They'll know what books you buy
and they'll know what you borrow too
Librarians still tell all!


(watch out ya' all)


© Copyright 2004 Krawdad - All Rights Reserved
WhiteRose
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1 posted 2004-07-09 12:19 PM


hmmmm...okay, this is interesting. I don't know what made me open the folder, but I was pleased with what I found. Not the usual fare, that's for sure.
Susan
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2 posted 2004-07-09 12:31 PM


Hmmm, hadn't thought of that.

  Susan

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iliana
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3 posted 2004-07-09 12:32 PM


What don't they know!  Thanks, Krawdad.   .....jo
Krawdad
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4 posted 2004-07-09 12:37 PM


Referring to today's House of Representatives' action to kill an amendment to the Patriot Act that would have reversed Homeland Security's ability to know what books you buy and what books you read.
Do you feel free?

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5 posted 2004-07-09 12:40 PM


There was an incident with the owner of Tattered Cover Bookstore in Colorado a couple of years ago, where she refused to divulge the names of people who bought "How To" books on incendiary devices to the 'authorities.'
That made me shop at her store twice as often as the competition.  

One way to end all democracy and freedom is to steal our rights to read whatever we choose to read.
Next thing, they will attempt to control what we are allowed think....

Thanks for this post, m'friend.

Sunshine
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6 posted 2004-07-09 01:25 PM


quote:
Farhenheit 451

Rating : 5/5
Reviewed by Ed

Comments: Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451, 1966, directed by Francois Truffaut.

In a futuristic totalitarian society all books are banned and their possession is illegal because it is believed that they bring unhappiness to humans by opening up a reality other than their squeaky clean middle class fantasy world. The firemen of their society do not put out fires, but have rather become Gestapo-like troops that search and destroy books by fire, which start burning at 451 degrees fahrenheit.

Montag (Oskar Werner), the main character, starts as a loyal book burning fireman and becomes aware of the mistake of his beliefs as he discovers reading. As he is betrayed by his superficial wife Linda (Julie Christie) and his world falls apart he enters the world of reading that Clarisse (also played by Julie Christie), a book reading insurgent, offers him. He then joins the "book people" who live in the outskirts of the city. They memorize entire books and burn them, recite them throughout their lives and pass them on to the next young generation in order to preserve them for when they are called to write them down again.

There are very enjoyable parallels to the characters, situations and the principles of Objectivism in Ayn Rand's body of work. Montag reminds me of Commandant Kareyev in Red Pawn (The Early Ayn Rand). He experiences a transformation and realizes how things should be from his own experience. He is transformed from a man of faith to the state, a mystic of muscle, to a man of reason. His discovery of the old knowledge in the books is almost identical to Equality 7-2521's discovery of the forbidden word and the lost technology of the past in Anthem.

Linda is a superficial parasite of Montag who gets all her knoledge from an equally fickle female TV host. She reminds me of Lillian Rearden. It wouldn't be too hard to imagine them having tea and waiting for Hank to return from the steel mill to verbally tear him to pieces.

Clarisse, the heroine, is a little bit of a Kira. She lives in a totalitarian state but her ideals remain untouched by the pervading fear of the state. She has also a little bit of Liberty 5-3000/"The Golden One" in reverse. She inspires Montag and he follows her to the secluded camp where the book people live. The camp itself reminds me of Galt's Gulch, where the last free minds of Earth have escaped to preserve knoledge. I see the overall message of the movie as that knowledge of good and evil is necessary to make choices. Where there is no choice values can not be achieved. It is kind of hilarious to know that Truffaut was a Marxist and yet directed a film such as this one.

Nowadays the ban on books is not imposed by the state as in Fahrenheit 451, but self imposed by those who accept false premises, cliches and contradictions from uninformed bystanders, celebrities and self-appointed "experts". After watching this film I can't help recalling Ayn Rand's speech to the West Point graduates (Philosophy: Who Needs It) where she says she doesn't want to sell them her philosophy, but philosophy as such and if they examine it critically it is Objectivism that they will come to accept. Seems like today a lot of people must rediscover reading altogether, before they can get a glimpse of philosophy.

I highly recommend this film to all fellow students of Objectivism as a rare intellectual masterpiece.
  Full excerpt from http://obmov.8m.com/451.html

While I profess to enjoy the freedoms we still have, Kraw, I must admit, that after reading this book back in the 60's...and "1984", I haven't felt really "free" of those who would watch, and judge.

It's a heavy hand that the "haves" would wield....

LeeJ
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7 posted 2004-07-09 01:44 PM


I just saw Farinheit 451, pretty scarey stuff...and presently I'm reading Skull and Bones...that's pretty scary as well...I also think, that this stuff has been going on way longer then we realize...I really do.

Thank you for sharing.

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8 posted 2004-07-09 02:16 PM




(tears fall down my cheeks) George Orwell has got to be as convincing as he's ever been. (sad sigh) This is just the latest step to a 1984 versimilitude totalitarian society where you are always monitored and claim you have freedoms but the eyes of the government are infrared lasers that always track you! (sad sigh) The Patriot Act is by far the most unpatriot act ever, and the most hemorrhaging euphemism democracy has faced yet! (sad sigh) Hey, have you picked up the new Vanity Fair yet (with David Beckham on the cover)? There's an excellent article of the Skull and Bones society in there, God Bless You, we all love you so much! You have such a beautiful heart, sweet Krawdad, thank you for sharing!



May love and light always shine upon you!

Love,
Noah Eaton

"You'll find something that's enough to keep you
But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around and come back home" MB20

Seymour Tabin
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9 posted 2004-07-09 02:22 PM


Krawdad
You have sprayed the fire with oil.

Copperbell
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10 posted 2004-07-09 03:02 PM


definately makes you wonder...huge can of worms here
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