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25 posted 08-23-2010 02:07 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

quote:
I would slam the lock on that gate so fast, and wouldn't look back because they are my woods


Why am I not surprised
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26 posted 08-23-2010 02:18 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I've got another story regarding neighbors and woods from when I lived in that other house.

That shouldn't surprise you either. *grin*

The guy was hunting rabbits in a bird sanctuary. My son was picking blackberries, and happened to be wearing khaki shorts.

Um. I got in the guy's face. Just a little bit.

I won that argument and the man had a gun.

Yep. I'm surprised every day I wake up alive...

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27 posted 08-23-2010 03:27 PM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Well, what part of the "formula" for managing the area did you change to try to get better results?   If you aren't willing to change your formula of management, but just keep using basically the same thing over and over again even after it has failed in the past in similar areas, then I think you yourself have asked for failure!

Also, being the only one managing such an area is bound to overburden yourself.   One man soon magnifies even little problems simply because they are there and continue in one degree or another. And how can you expect them not be there or continue? Human nature has weaknesses which inevitably gives rise to similar problems in similar areas like these, flaws in logic, misunderstanding, obstinance, etc. It doesn't make sense to expect such things not to be there.  They are always there to some extent.  But it does makes sense to try to deal with them better so they don't overwhelm things.  In contrast to just one man trying though, a good team/group can make even large problems small, with sharing the duties and no one person facing the weight of trying to manage it all.  It is hard to see why there seemed to be no effort to invite others as helping hands in managing the area - it wasn't even listed in the application form for volunteers.  If it was so difficult to deal with don't you think helping hands would've made a big difference?  

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28 posted 08-23-2010 04:03 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Ah, and helping hands did make a difference.

Alicat handled the area admirably. Moderating that forum has a particular sensitivity, however, so it's difficult to find someone up to the job. Myself? I couldn't imagine having to read every word of a political complaint department, following every link to ensure that those are kosher as well?

Not me, thank you. I have a houseful of people here and I have said to my own bunch what you just said a million times--just not so eloquently.

And yes, I have put the place on lockdown a few times as well.

Do I miss the Alley? Sure.

I just paid a fifty dollar co-pay for 15 pills of dubious medicinal value at a pharmacy. I instinctively thought about going to The Alley to complain. But maybe instead of just venting it out, I'll go write my doctor a letter, explaining to him why I'll not be employing his services. I already phoned the pharmacy to tell them that instead of paying a ridiculous amount of money for a new version of an old drug, I'll just find a doctor who will understand that times are tough, and I refuse to allow my illness to become a commodity for pharmaceutical kickbacks. OH.

*shrug&*

I should save that part for the ltter, huh?



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29 posted 08-23-2010 05:10 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

Ess

Helping hands come with problems.  

Those who are able have minds of their own, and that's not good! Those who are malleable have no sense or initiative and are impotent.

The former become disillusioned and leave; the latter have eventually to be removed.

Either way I wind up on my own.

A team?  Wassthat?

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30 posted 08-23-2010 07:43 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

I truly believe that some people are meant to be on their own.  I actually fit into that category.
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31 posted 08-24-2010 03:58 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

I guess we shouldn't speak out too much in this forum .  Next thing we know Philosophy will be sentenced to death too.
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32 posted 08-24-2010 07:03 AM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

I think maybe thatís a bit unfair, Ess, weíve all been allowed to have our say in this thread so far without any censorship.

I think this thread proves several things. Though a few came very, very close, it is possible to have a decent discussion with opposing views expressed on a hot button topic without resorting to personal attacks. Even though this is ďa poetry siteĒ Pipsters are indeed interested in discussion, want to be heard, share their views and opinions. And also that the powers that be are willing to listen.

I think you made a really good point with your statement ďIn contrast to just one man trying though, a good team/group can make even large problems small, with sharing the duties and no one person facing the weight of trying to manage it all.Ē And perhaps having just one general discussion forum would make the job even easier and might spread out the topics so that one particular type of discussion, such as political, doesnít overwhelm as it did in the Alley. Should that happen, then a gentle reminder that hogging the forum is rude would be certainly be in order.

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33 posted 08-24-2010 07:30 AM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

Something else before I head out -

Iíve seen things get out of hand in discussion forums on other sites. One tactic that seemed to work well was that instead of selectively editing an offending post, the entire post was deleted nearly as soon at it hit the boards. Nothing shuts down a flamer or troller any quicker than having their keenly honed attacks disappear in a flash. You know how vain writers can be and when their words disappear without being read or kindling a reaction, they either shape up or move on. And thereís nothing at all wrong, in my view, with imposing a time out for those who need a breather to get their self control back. We all lose it now and again and need to pause and take a deep breath.

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34 posted 08-24-2010 04:47 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

Humm - Jenn, your thoughts are good, but wasted here now imv.  PiP is no longer interested in "discussion" or views which diverge from "The Norm" ...

    "O wonder!
    How many goodly creatures are there here!
    How beautious mankind is!
    O brave new world,
    That has such people in't!"

Shakespeare - "The Tempest"
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35 posted 08-24-2010 08:15 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

"I find it just another  way to rant about a place that use to  allow all opinions without the attacks that continued on day after day."

Well said. Maureen.
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36 posted 08-24-2010 09:11 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

Now moonbeam, donít start acting like a curmudgeon.   

PiP is the people who post on the site and theyíre still interested in discussion.  Just take a look, see how many folks have joined in this discussion. Me, you, Ess, Grinch, Serenity, Mysteria, Sunshine, Alison, nktdtoughts, and Balladeer. Thereís the proof, now back to Brendanís pudding.

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37 posted 08-24-2010 09:57 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Hey Jen!

I'm trying to figure out what I want to say here, but I certainly don't want to convey the idea that I have some opinion about who did what to whom that was out of line.

If I go by the last thread I glanced at? EVERYBODY was out of line, because I simply scrolled through to count how many times Ron came in to edit, and it was nearly every post, from you, from Mike, from Bobk.

So I don't know. I seldom know when I am out of line m'self. I wanted you to know that a pipfriend asked me privately who I admire at Pip and for what, and your name came up, because I do indeed admire your ability to hold your own in rooms previously reserved for cigar smoke.

I wish I had your abilities. There's a lot of stuff going on in my community that might benefit if we had more people with your abilities to focus, debate, compare and contrast the present to points in history.

Yes. I wish I could channel you, m'friend--even though I'm confused as to why I feel a need to fight so hard to hang on to the right to live in a dying swamp. (There's some issues here, locally, of Eminent Domain I'd love to hear your ideas about, so yes, I miss The Alley.)

Being Jennifer would come in handy here...


I appreciate all of you.   <--and that's for moonbeam.

ciao for now and *peace*
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38 posted 08-24-2010 10:18 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

Thanks for the kind words Karen. I see your little yellow envelope is up again. Iím post op and a little under the weather tonight but will email you soon.
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39 posted 08-24-2010 10:24 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I don't think that it is becoming behavior to offer unsolicited managerial advice to Ron regarding his homestead.

Words differ from carved squirrels and other artifacts in that they can be copied and saved to personal files before or after decorating Ron's home with them, if one is truly enamored of them.

The Alley is gone, so make the best of what's left, and as long as people remember to treat others as they would like to be treated there won't be any need to worry about losing another forum.

Sounds simple enough to me.
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40 posted 08-25-2010 12:14 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Thanks Jen, because um, I don't know what it is, but not too many people take me seriously.



And btw, anybody can feel free to help me. There's a little matter of a hospital that I'd like to save. Seriously, the new mayor of New Orleans wants to tear down several historical neighbors AND the historical building that housed Charity hospital...

it just doesn't make sense to me.

And oh. Ron? I would like to apologize for being a pain in the ass.

I'm sad enough about things that ain't there no more, and this place has been, well, a port in a storm for me and my family.

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41 posted 08-25-2010 04:55 AM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

I canít even begin to imagine what it must be like for you, Karen, to have been through what youíve been through, to have lost so much already and now once again watching what you care about so much being swept away.

On my to do list is the New Orleans Jazz Festival. May take a couple of years to save up, but some day Iíll make it. Would be such an honor and privilege to meet you. You stay strong and I will too.

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42 posted 08-25-2010 01:43 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

I take you very seriously Karen, you and your poetry   - always have always will.  As long as you are in PiP, I guess there will still be a heartbeat.

Jenn!  You put "Me" in front of "You" in that list.  Behave   .

Denise, comparing a "homestead" is an abysmal analogy. PiP is no more Ron's homestead than it is yours or mine.  Having the key, and the power to ban, change, delete, edit etc etc confers a high degree of responsibility - what it does not confer are absolute rights.  
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Yes, moonbeam, as long as Karenís here there will be a heartbeat and a heart.  Sorry about the me first attitude, blame it on the meds and this too:

A little musical interlude dedicated to Karen - Kosmic Blues  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bILQoikzFZo&feature=related


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lol, Rob. I don't see how my analogy is any more abysmal than your 'piece of land' analogy.

Call it what you will. Ron more than has the keys. He owns the place. We are invited guests. The responsibility lies with us to obey the few house rules that are in place. Ron has the legal and moral right, at any time, to shut the whole thing down.
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Oh look what I found! Hereís a rather unique Janis, think Karen might like this one, too - Janis, her voice raspy and weary but still, filled with passion,

intensity

and


HEART.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzNEgcqWDG4

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46 posted 08-25-2010 03:24 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

Jenn, I wouldn't have it any other way

Denise - we'll have to agree to disagree; imo he doesn't have the moral right to do anything of the sort given the way the site is presented to what you call the invitees.  More to the point the evidence of the (admittedly somewhat distant) past, and his past behaviour towards naughty inmates has tended to support my view that at one time he was fully aware of the moral position.  For what it's worth I think he's just too tired or too busy to care anymore.

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47 posted 08-25-2010 03:43 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Jen? I once looped that clip until it made my son's psyche crack.

Thank you.

And one for EVERYBODY:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAnSyQA_fT4


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Rob...for what's it's worth?

He once got so frustrated with things he nearly decided to turn the entire site OFF.

It's his domain. He IS the Wiz.

I really don't want this community to dissolve.

Please.

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49 posted 08-25-2010 07:26 PM       View Profile for JenniferMaxwell   Email JenniferMaxwell   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for JenniferMaxwell

For some who posted here for years, their ďcommunityĒ has already been dissolved. Many in their circle of family and friends have already disappeared, moved on to other sites because the forums they enjoyed most here were shut down. How sad so few seem to understand that fact or even seem to care.  

 
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