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0 posted 07-24-2009 01:55 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

I find some very funny things sometimes that are not exactly suitable for younger people on here, and it drives me crazy I can't share them. I don't spend my time looking for these, they just sort of show up.

Sometimes you just have an "adult question" that you don't want the kids to see as well, so it may not be a bad idea to give these types of issues a home down the road?

Food for thought anyway.
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1 posted 07-24-2009 03:02 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

I think it would be a big mistake to do anything in the adult forum that results in posts that would have normally been posted in the current Alley and Philosophy forums being diverted there instead.

For instance Zach's homosexuality thread that Stephen and I are currently engaged in in the Alley might be considered by some to have been better placed in Adult if there was a place for it.

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I think that would be awesome too, but just like the prose, I think we've done questions and random things in Adult, or the Mature content area too. I highly doubt it would take anything away from the Alley, since that is not what she was talking about at all... I think that one Zach posted SHOULD be, in Mature content. But? That's me.
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3 posted 07-24-2009 04:01 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Considering the thread you mentioned came up, I think it has become a "Philosophy" thread, and not what the poster may have intended as a rant on a personal experience.  

However, I can't speak for Zach, but in my opinion, considering it is now a discussion on various religious views, instead of what happened to "someone, " I see it as having been taken away from the original poster's intent, which I read as a sad situation for any individual to go through.  The posting had no religious overtones nor did it ask for any.  I also feel some very mature topics were touched on, and I too felt it should have been moved out of Open, but that is just my opinion.

Sometimes mature subjects come up that can not be discussed in Open, period!  It would be a good idea to have an alternative to post these topics.  I am not about to get into a long, drawn out discussion on this, I just wanted to make a suggestion to be considered.  Thank you.
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Grok This: "With maturity comes understanding. And, invariably, more questions that require deeper understanding. This forum is for exploring mature themes and questions, one adult to another. Discussion only."

It's such a good suggestion, Sharon, we did it retroactively -- like about six and half years ago.  
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5 posted 07-24-2009 06:01 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Oh for crying out loud!  There are too many hiding places in here.     

So, when something comes up in Open and a person's response is a little "off-color" as they say, they can link it to Grok This.  Got it, and thank you kind sir.
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6 posted 07-25-2009 04:49 AM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

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However, I can't speak for Zach, but in my opinion, considering it is now a discussion on various religious views, instead of what happened to "someone, " I see it as having been taken away from the original poster's intent, which I read as a sad situation for any individual to go through.  The posting had no religious overtones nor did it ask for any.  I also feel some very mature topics were touched on, and I too felt it should have been moved out of Open, but that is just my opinion.

Several points arise:

1    I agree the thread has inclined towards the philosophical, but that happens sometimes in the Alley.  Does it really matter?  

2   You think it should have been moved from Open (I assume you mean the Alley), I certainly hope no such thing happens or I will be unable to continue posting on it and Zach will be unable to read it.  Hopefully if Ron, as mod of the Alley, feels it is getting too mature then he will give us the chance to edit appropriately.  

3 You mention that it's been "taken away" from Zach's intent.   This surprises me.    

I seem to remember that on occasion Ron has pointed out that once a thread is started, especially a discussion thread the original poster accepts that to some extent he or she loses control, and the thread becomes "everybody's".  Part of the fun of a discussion is that one explores the issue and the surrounding issues, and the discussion can often branch out into unexpected and fruitful areas.

4 You also mention that the thread is now discussing religious views which "it did not ask for".

Zach is a deep thinking young man and the very fact that he wrote:

"I'm just getting sick and tired of people. We're all different in our own ways. Can't we just celebrate our differences instead of treating others badly? Is there a chance for peace, love, and understanding? But to be honest I think that might never happen.."

indicates to me that he was thinking beyond just his own narrow experience that day to the whole issue of how homophobia of that ignorant nature arises.  Like it or not religion is a major part of the discussion as to why "peace, love and understanding" doesn't always prevail where homosexuality is concerned.  

The fact is Mysteria your comments came over to me as a thinly veiled criticism of the manner in which the thread had developed, and I am slightly hurt by that considering the hours and hours of effort Stephen and I have put into it.  I do however entirely understand that some posters here, including yourself, may for one reason or another, not like to read long rambling debates and the way in which this sort of thread can shoot off into related avenues.  

Zach posted a bit of a rant about a bad experience, and the sort of short pithy comment of support that SEA made was wonderful.  But I really don't think that the way the thread has developed is any less wonderful.  There are some of us here who like the cut and thrust of a good discussion, and I am hopeful that there is still room for us as well, without it being implied that our views weren't "asked for" and are therefore unwelcome.

Thanks for listening.

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7 posted 07-25-2009 11:35 AM       View Profile for SEA   Email SEA   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SEA

"There are some of us here who like the cut and thrust of a good discussion, and I am hopeful that there is still room for us as well, without it being implied that our views weren't "asked for" and are therefore unwelcome."

some of us DON'T like the cut and thrust, and just want to keep things light and I don't see you respecting our thoughts or feelings. At all. You just want to argue with everyone about everything down to the last crumb. Not everyone has to show everyone how smart they think they are. You always have to have the last word, but what you don't realize moonbeam is you are SO long winded, most people don't even read half way down your rants.

I won't reply back to this, or even check to see if you replied. I simply do not care.

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quote:
most people don't even read half way down your rants.


Which infers that some people do. The people who don't are probably those that, like you Sea, aren't interested and just want to keep things light, which is fine. There's room for everyone.

Keep on "ranting" Moon, some of us are reading.

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9 posted 07-25-2009 02:41 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

quote:
some of us DON'T like the cut and thrust, and just want to keep things light and I don't see you respecting our thoughts or feelings. At all.

Wow, that was an unexpected full frontal assault.  Well I respect you Susan for saying what you really feel in a straightforward manner.  That doesn't often happen here, and perhaps if it did there would be fewer misunderstandings.  Sincerely, thanks     .

As to what you said, I don't fully understand it.  I just said in my previous post that I thought your reply to Zach was wonderful.  And I actually think most of your replies to people in that supportive understanding way you have are pretty wonderful, especially in teen.

Everyone is different Susan.  I like to dissect, analyse, consider.  I hope I don't always "rant", if I do then I apologise.  But the important point here is that I very much respect the fact that you don't like the cut and thrust and you want to keep things light, and to be honest I'm pretty upset and surprised that you consider that I'm stopping you doing that.  

Are you saying that merely by posting in the way I do, i.e. having long discussions with people and doing detailed critiques of poems, I am somehow preventing you posting in a light way or spoiling the threads in some way?

If that's the case we really need to find some accommodation or compromise, otherwise I'm going to continue to aggravate you, which I honestly don't want to do.  So I hope you reconsider your decision not to discuss this any more and come back and explain exactly how I'm offending you.  

On the other hand if PiP isn't the right place for more heavyweight posts now that CA has closed then perhaps one of the Admins will clearly say so, so that people like me can go away and find somewhere else to post.  

Thanks again for bringing this so clearly into focus Susan.

Regards

Rob

Thanks Grinch     .
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I don't think it is right to target just one person.  Most people in the Alley are "rough" sometimes in debating, even Balladeer.  Isn't that part of what the Alley is for?  
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"Zach posted a bit of a rant about a bad experience, and the sort of short pithy comment of support that SEA made was wonderful.  But "

I think that that remark was uncalled for. Just as you wish to make your comments whether in agreement or disagreement, I think calling  SEA's comment  pithy showed a lack of respect. Just as those who come on here new and  start to comment on the type of poetry or content as being not up to their standards and being "fluff"... I am sure Ron has left room on his forum for all kinds of writings and depths of discussions without making someone feel inadequate.

Just my opinion and I can see why SEA got upset...because when I read it earlier, I thought ...well that's just great!
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I don't respond on these  forums where the discussions go round and round and end up nowhere  but I do read them  and gain some "unbiased" information  from them once in awhile.


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12 posted 07-25-2009 06:31 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


A precisely meaningful, forceful and brief comment nakdthoughts.

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Thank you Grinch, I have been  known to get upset on here a time or two by  someone's reply...some of us  happen to be more sensitive than others...and that  sometimes is good, but also can hurt our feelings easier even if the comment was not meant to be hurtful.


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14 posted 07-25-2009 06:45 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch


Nakdthoughts

I wouldn't be too quick to thank me if I were you.

Precisely meaningful, forceful and brief is the definition of pithy, which you seem to believe is generally uncalled for.


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Don't think I am stupid, Grinch~~

I looked up pithy, too, myself... before I even responded on here...it's just that his but came after it...if you read my full quote...  and I know what it means...but I am thinking SEA  interpreted it as being inconsequential, although I can't speak for her. And her response to Zach was as a friend who interacts with him on here and  was trying to comfort him.

Besides, why single out anyone in particular ...

so much for taking a stand I guess...

p.s. I am not in an arguing mood so  I shall have to let this ride because as some have noted before me, these threads can have a life of their own, quoting and requoting ( if there is such a word) until  the  initial meaning of the thread is lost.
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Sorry if I misunderstood but I was thrown by this comment.

quote:
I think calling  SEA's comment  pithy showed a lack of respect.


You see Moon, very much like myself, is one of those sensitive, shy, retiring types who are easily offended and I thought he might be a little upset at the accusation that he wasn't showing due respect. Hence my previous posts in defence of his use of the word "pithy".

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It is good for people to speak up. But we need be careful about making accusations.  Does it make sense to treat a misty suspicion about "pithy" as a ground for accusing someone or someone's comment as being disrespectful?   The tone and following "wonderful" in Moonbeam's comments seems clean evidence against that, or at least by which surely to grant Moonbeam the benefit of the doubt.  I don't want to discourage you from speaking out, but when a suspicion such as that doesn't have any certain thing to back it up then it might be best to let it go to the winds instead, lest it mistreats someone or something about something that cannot be proved.

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18 posted 07-26-2009 05:07 AM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

Grinch and Ess thanks.  You are both right about my intention and meaning.  However there are factors outwith this thread of which you are unaware which help to explain Susan's reaction, and the matter is probably best left to rest.  It was entirely my fault for posting to Mysteria's thread in the first place.

Maureen, I appreciate what you are saying, however I didn't mean any disparagement at all to Susan's posts - quite the reverse.  I merely meant that everyone's posts are equally valuable.

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Thank you Moonbeam, I appreciate your kind and thoughtful response.

I didn't intend to make a judgement on the response that mentioned Susan. I just felt she didn't need to be mentioned at all, as each, including myself and the others, have their own interpretations of the relationships we have on here and in our own lives based only on what we read. And it seemed to me she felt hurt and as a longtime member I wanted to try and explain my feelings on why.

That was all, and  I had no  interest in attacking anyone nor did I feel that a certain response attacking my knowlegde of pithy was necessary.

"Uncalled" for meant that  this  thread could have kept names out of it other than any initial ones brought up in the original posting.

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quote:
nor did I feel that a certain response attacking my knowlegde of pithy was necessary


That would be my response.

I don't mind if you mention my name nakdthoughts, in fact I'd prefer if you did instead of dancing around the issue in some vain attempt of singling me out without actually mentioning my name directly. Everyone knows that it's me you're talking about; all you have to do is read the thread to see that.

Attacking your knowledge?

I wasn't attacking your knowledge; I was attacking the notion that the use of the word pithy was somehow a clear example of a lack of respect when it clearly isn't. The question must be, if you knew the definition of pithy, and I've no reason to believe you didn't, why would you post this?

quote:
I think calling  SEA's comment  pithy showed a lack of respect.


When it quite obviously doesn't show anything of the sort.

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