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A belief or faith in an afterlife
with mourning?


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When a son or daughter grows up and marries, don't the parents feel necessity and grief mingled together?  Death may be more dramatic and mysterious than that, but the principle is the same.


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The afterlife doesn't change the saddening loss here, but it gives us hope that something more is yonder.
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Because we don't mourn for them....we mourn for us;  it is a selfish sense of loss.  We mourn our egos.
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We mourn our void. Lose a child and then tell me you are mourning your ego.

If tears could build a stairway and memories a lane,
I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.

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We lose the sense of sharing.

The ability to ask, "What do you think?"

Belief in an afterlife cannot replace the moments, the shared moments, of joy in this world.

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Was it ever meant to replace?

Is the anticipation of a banquet meant to replace an hors d'oeuvre?
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Brad,

I'm sorry ... I don't want to trivialize life, now, here.  And though you might think my view inevitably leads to that, that was not my intent.  What I said was indeed to convey my belief that the most precious of moments on Earth are contingent upon Heaven's Eternity.  But after having reread your reply, I see that you were expressing something that is also salient and true, and may help John comprehend how mourning and the hope of Eternal Life may be reconciled.  Life here is still precious, and death is still a real and palpable loss, regardless of what may be regained later.  If the Christian hereafter is thought of not as a replacement, but a kind of refrain, cadence, or continuing movement of what was begun before, then grief and this kind of hope can dwell together.

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Doubt not that after Earth's own death
On Venus life begins its breath.
Heaven shall be on Venus born
When life on Earth is all forlorn.
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"We mourn our void. Lose a child and then tell me you are mourning your ego."

Exactly:  We mourn "our" void; not "their" journey. All emotions stem from ego.  What WE want, what offends US, OUR desires and dreams...it is all from ego.  

So yes, when you lose a child...your ego is what mourns for its own sense of loss.  
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I don't think all mourning is self centered (though obviously much is).  There is a sadness in a young person's death, which can only be explained in reference to their missed experiences, not ours.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dnPpqGNayE

Sometimes I can't. Reconcile that, I mean.

But on other days, I hear them in my head.

"I'll imagine what you'd say..."

Sometimes I'm amazed when my sister's voice comes out of my own mouth, when I thumb through a catalog and say, "Ohhhhhh that's cute!"

I watch the news and grin, hearing my brother yelling indignation to no one listening.

The best is the silent, amused presence of my father, who had the dry comedic timing that only a Texan sonovacotton farmer could perfect--the art of bringing down the house in helpless laughter simply by raising an eyebrow. ("ahhhh...perspective!")

*shrug*

I don't know about "out there"--but I think I'll keep them "in here". *tapping my head*

The pain of that reality really hurts some days, but is better than the numb of nothing.

At least for me.

I hope that helps.

Have a hug, John.

 
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