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Speaking to a Massachusetts tea party group recently, conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart made some comments that are raising eyebrows online this week, telling the small gathering of Republicans that he sometimes wants to “fire the first shot.”

“I’m under attack all the time,” he said. “The call me gay. There are death threats… There are times when I’m not thinking as clearly as I should, and in those unclear moments, I always think to myself, ‘Fire the first shot. Bring it on.’ Because I know who’s on our side.

“They can only win a rhetorical and propaganda war. They cannot win. We outnumber them in this country and we have the guns… I’m not kidding. They talk a mean game, but they will not cross that line because they know what they’re dealing with. ”


http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/breitbart-conservatives-outnumber-liberals-and-we-have-the-guns/
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     I get nervous when anybody talks about how many guns and numbers they have, and how gnarly they are.  It makes me wonder what sort of total they are trying to reach, and what their purpose is in trying to reach it.
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I think he's got a right to voice his opinion and I'm pleased that he exercised that right.

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He speaks of being called 'gay' as if its' a pejorative.  Perhaps he protesteth too much, considering his apparent obsession with phallic symbols.

From Perry's secession threats to Angle's 'second amendment solutions' to 'fire the first shot'....these people have a real respect for democracy and the constitution eh?  Doesn't winning the rhetorical war mean winning elections?
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From  the Teamster's president letting Obama know that his "army is ready for war" and Obama himself warning the Republicans "not to bring a knife to a gun fight", I'd say Obama is realizing the only way to win the election.....the Chicago way.
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Mike, what's the obvious difference between Sharon Angle's statement and Hoffa's?  I'll give you a hint.  One is talking about using votes, the other is talking about using guns (if the vote doesn't go the way you want it to).

When Obama says 'bring a knife to,a gun fight' were there some actual knives and guns involved?  Did someone threaten to shoot you if you didn't vote for Obama?  Or was he talking, again, about the rhetorical battle of politics?

Is seceding from the union something that's done when you don't like the way an election goes?  (the last time sure was peaceful wasn't it?)

What is Breitbart talking about here?  Is there some context to his comment that I don't understand?  If there is, I'm all ears, but, you and I both know there isn't.

If it helps you sleep at night to try to convince us there is some kind of equivalence here Big Bird sends his regards.
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LOL! What a surprise. When lefties do it, it's all very innocent and misunderstood. When righties do it, it's nefarious and speaks of homicide, assassination and all-out warfare. Thanks for clearing that up. I could apply the same logic to republican comments, including the ones here, along with the mention of "crosshairs" and "targeting" that garnered a lot of inflammatory rhetoric from the left wing press but, since you wouldn't apply the same logic to those, why bother?

So, the question is, if you are taking potshots at Republicans, does that mean you are actually shooting at them??? Perhaps you would like to see them bite the bullet? There are phrases we use in poetry circles called metaphors. Check them out..!  

Mike, what's the obvious difference between Sharon Angle's statement and Hoffa's?  I'll give you a hint.  One is talking about using votes, the other is talking about using guns (if the vote doesn't go the way you want it to).

Good example here. You are defining the two comments by what you want them to mean. You asked me that, when Obama mentioned bringing a knife to a gunfight, was there an actual gun involved. Was there an actual gun involved with Angle's statement, outside of your imagination, I mean. How do you know Hoffa is speaking of only votes? Remember the Panthers at the polling booths for intimation? Or are you telling me unions are incapable of violence when things don't go their way? Try to cross a picket line and you'll have your answer. If Angle were a democrat and Hoffa a republican, you could, and possible would, defend and excuse Angle (and even Breitbart's comments) while blasting Hoffa for being a war-mongers, threatening to take the war to the streets, if the votes don't go their way. You should really make the biased potshots more believable, yanno?
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I don't know, Mike. I don't think I'm especially biased. But I nonetheless see a distinction between Hoffa's "Everybody here's got a vote" and Breitbart's "We outnumber them in this country and we have the guns." Yea, it's sometimes easy to take metaphors too literally, but it's equally easy to read metaphors in where none were intended. There is nothing, to me, in Breitbart's posted comments that suggest metaphor.

On the other hand, first, I don't know that the posted comments weren't taken out of context (a favorite strategy of both sides), and second, I'm not entirely sure why I should care. Until this thread, I never even heard of Breitbart before. He's not elected, he's not a leader, he appears to just be this guy someone decided to quote. There are plenty of crazies on both sides of the aisle, and I see no particular reason this guy should be more worrisome than most.


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******Warning.  The following post contains analogies.  ******

[analogies]
Two identical bottles are in front of you.  One contains a chemical with a molecular composition of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.  The other contains a chemical with a molecular composition of one hydrogen and one oxygen molecule.

These two bottles are very similar Mike.  But, would you be inclined to drink from both bottles?  Or, just one?

Cindy Crawford and a transvestite who looks like Cindy Crawford are wearing identical dresses.  Are you equally inclined to ask one on a date as the other?

I hand you identical boxes.  Inside one are a dozen cordial cherries.  The other has a dozen cherry bombs.  Which box would you eat?
[/analogies]

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Ok, for Ron....

The important thing about Andrew Breitbart Ron, is that Mike and Denise know who he is.  You feel his influence on these pages all the time;

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[edit]Anthony Weiner
Main article: Anthony Weiner sexting scandal
On May 28, 2011, Breitbart posted a sexually explicit photo on his BigJournalism website of New York Representative Anthony Weiner obtained through Weiner's Twitter account.[36] Initially Weiner denied that he had sent a link to the photograph to a 21-year-old female college student, but after questions developed, he admitted to inappropriate online relationships. On June 6, 2011 Breitbart reported other photos Weiner had sent, including one that was sexually graphic. On June 8, 2011, the sexually graphic photo was leaked after Breitbart participated in a radio interview with hosts Opie and Anthony, though Breitbart stated that the photo was published without his permission.[37] Weiner subsequently resigned from his congressional seat on June 21, 2011.
[edit]Shirley Sherrod
Main article: Resignation of Shirley Sherrod
On July 19, 2010, Breitbart posted two short videos showing excerpts of a speech by Shirley Sherrod at an NAACP fundraising dinner in March 2010. The videos ensuing controversy resulted in Sherrod being fired from the United States Department of Agriculture on July 19. After Breitbart was criticized for taking Sherrod's words out of context, he posted the complete 40-minute video of the speech.[38][39][40] The NAACP stated that the video excerpts aired by Breitbart were deliberately deceptive and said that he had "snookered" the group.[39][40] Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack later apologized to Sherrod and offered her a new job.[41] In 2011, Sherrod brought suit against Breitbart for defamation.[42]
[edit]ACORN undercover videos
Main article: ACORN 2009 undercover videos controversy
Breitbart was also involved in the 2009 ACORN video controversy. Hannah Giles[43][44] posed as a prostitute seeking assistance while James O'Keefe portrayed her boyfriend, and clandestinely videotaped meetings with ACORN staff.[45] Subsequent criminal investigations by the Brooklyn District Attorney's office and the California Attorney General found the videos were heavily edited in an attempt to make ACORN's responses "appear more sinister",[46][47][48] and contributed to the group's demise.[49][50] Breitbart then provided a forum for O'Keefe on his BigGovernment.com website[51] and defended his actions on Sean Hannity's Fox News Channel program.[52]
Breitbart has also been embroiled in a controversy within the conservative movement related to the participation of gay group GOProud in the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), an annual conference held in Washington, D.C. by the American Conservative Union. In 2011 he was the primary host of a party that served to "welcome" the "homocons" to the convention (though it was the second year they had been participants). This flew in the face of a boycott staged by a few social conservative groups that were offended by the inclusion of GOProud within the conservative fold. Writer, producer, and publisher Roger L. Simon referred to the group as a "game-changer" for the Republican party, and asserted that it represented a turning point in the appeal that the conservative movement might hold for young people. Breitbart is now on the Advisory Board of GOProud.[53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Breitbart



More important than who he is though - or that Mike and Denise know who he is, is the reaction the subject comments elicit from his audience, indicating their own private fantasy to do bodily harm to liberals.  You would do yourself a favor to review the source material and watch the video.

The crowd reaction is a complement to the thunderous applause Ric Perry received at the MSNBC Republican primary debate, the only real crowd outburst, for having executed hundreds of prisoners in Texas.  And, it goes right along side the crowd at the CNN debate that cheered 'yes' to Blitzer's hypothetical man with no insurance in a sudden coma when he asked Ron Paul if he should merely be allowed to die.
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Okay back to Mike now.......

explain what this means;

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Angle: I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry. This not for someone who's in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical...

Manders: If we needed it at any time in history, it might be right now.
Angle: Well it's to defend ourselves. And you know, I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/16/sharron-angle-floated-2nd_n_614003.html



What is she talking about there? or here?

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In Nevada, Sharron Angle -- the Senate candidate who wants to unseat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid --seemed to raise that specter in three interviews in the past six months, suggesting that some would seek "Second Amendment remedies" if Congress isn't reined in.

She said the purpose of the right to bear arms is to check the federal government. But she stopped short of saying that she would support an armed uprising.

"Our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason, and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government," Angle told conservative talk show host Lars Larson in January. "In fact, Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that's not where we're going, but you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies."

Also that month, she told Reno conservative talk show host Bill Manders she hoped Reid would be defeated at the ballot box before the electorate resorted to more aggressive measures.

"I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies," Angle said. "I hope that the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems."
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And last month she told the Reno Gazette-Journal "it's almost an imperative" that conservatives win.

"The nation is arming," she told the newspaper. "What are they arming for if it isn't that they are so distrustful of their government? They're afraid they'll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways. That's why I look at this as almost an imperative. If we don't win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?"

Is she simply tapping into an intense mistrust of the federal government? Or is she advocating



http://www.scrippsnews.com/content/nev-senate-hopeful-sharron-angle-talks-armed-revolt
Yes sir Mike, this is a real nice place you got here.  Be a shame if something happened to it.......
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And since collective bargaining rights are under attack by GOP governments in states throughout the country -- better to remember a little bit of history Mike;

http://www.epls.org/nw/dig_emassacre.asp

and, didja ever hear of the Pinkerton Detective Agency?
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Ron, I have to say I'm with you. LR has made a definitive statement that I know who Brietbart is, which is really foolish since he cannot possibly know, nor can he prove. That is not new for him. I looked up Breitbart, too, to learn that he worked with Ms. Huffington to create the Huffington Post, among other things. For some reason LR has presented him as a voice and representative conscious of the Republican party.  Hey, if he wants to think so, it's a free country.

Yes, of course comments  can be taken out of context and presented any way the presenter wants to interpret them to prove whatever point he is trying to make. To Obama's comment about bringing a knife to a gunfight, LR's response is "Do you see a gun?" In response to the teamster chief referring to having soldiers and going to war with the SOB's. LR says they are talking about getting out votes. What if the votes don't go their way? If there were any group I would not want to cross if they don't get their way, unions would top the list. History is littered with violence instigated by unions when they "didn't get their way." LR thinks this type of conjuncture is unfair to them. If they were Republicans, my money would be on his position doing a complete 360.
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http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/001941.html#71
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"Hi, this is Balladeer, along with Toerag, hired by NBC to cover this Monday night football game of the Jets and the Patriots. It promises to be a hard fought game with both teams going at it tooth and nail. Toerag, How do you see it?"

"Well, Deer, the teams are so evenly matched that I feel it is necessary to draw first blood and intimidate the other team as quickly as possible. The Jets have the big guns and will come out firing for sure."

"Well, Toe, The Jets have them well outnumbered in all-star players but I anticipate that the Patriots will come out firing and go for the jugular early. Grab your popcorn, folks, and get ready. It's going to be a war!!

Do you think both teams came out with machine guns and AK-47's, LR. THAT'S how easy metaphors can be used.
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LR, your links simply show that I used some of Breitbart's words or links to prove a point. When we were having discussions back then we all searched for links that would support our points. Obviously Brietbart had some that were beneficial to whatever point I was trying to make and I used them....then immediately forget about the links when the thread was over. Big deal. It certainly doesn't mean I know, or knew, him personally or anything about his life. I actually did have to look him up when you introduced this thread, so shoot me...er, does that mean I want you to show up at my door with a .45 in your hand? No, it's one of those silly metaphors.
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With regards to you analogies in reply #8, I have no idea what you mean.

What makes you think you can present Breitbart as a representative of the GOP? His opinions appear to be his own, as are his comments.
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What did Sharon Angle mean?  It seems pretty obvious to  me. She believes that every citizen has the right to defend themselves. If the government is corrupt and wants to infringe on the rights of it's people, they have a right to take up arms against them. Why wouls she feel that way? Videos like this is one hint.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx2PP4pYGno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWajf5RkDJ8&NR=1


Having Black Panthers show up at voting places to intimidate voters is another. There is distrust of Obama and how far he will go. That distrust is well-deserved.

Angle was defeated. She said some dumb things and couldn't even beat Harry Reid, whose popularity in his own state was in single digits. What makes you classify her as a representative of the Republication party?
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.

Maybe it’s all art for art’s sake like P""s Christ or:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-405644/George-Bush-assassinatio n-film-wins-award.html

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Angle was defeated. She said some dumb things and couldn't even beat Harry Reid, whose popularity in his own state was in single digits. What makes you classify her as a representative of the Republication party?



     Unless you are actually making a joke with your spelling of "Republican," above, and you are not usually one to do that, I suspect that you've taken perhaps a tiny step too far with the rhetoric here.  Her nomination for the office of United States Senator from Nevada on the Republican ticket in the last election is all that is needed to classify her as a representative of the Republican Party.  Both she and the Nevada Republicans made that decision together, and their mutual decision was not contested by the national party.  As I recall, there were a significant number of speakers from the Republican party and from the Tea Party who spoke in her support and who campaigned for her her in that election.  Indeed, if you yourself did not support her, I saw no evidence of that here.  All I heard from you were attacks on Senator Reid.

     Perhaps you might construct that as saying that you were against the woman, and felt she was unworthy of being called a Republican and of getting Republican support.  I would find that a distinction without a difference myself, and would read that as evidence that even you accepted the woman as a Republican and Representative of Republican ideas, ideals and positions.

     If I have any of this wrong, of course, I'd like to know how I'm misreading the situation in your view.  In the meantime, I tend to see things as you getting carried away by your point into taking just that little step too far.  The whole coinage "second ammendment solutions" feels like a sanitized way of speaking of armed insurrection and targeted political murder.  You may not know it or hear it that way; but, please, other than those interpretations, can you offer plausible alternative readings of the phrase?

     This is the sort of thing that the security state that we have gone about constructing, left wing and right wing together, I'm afraid, salivates to hear from either side of the political spectrum.  In my opinion, of course.
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Oh, please, Bob. Do you really think Republicans are arming themselves to march on Washington and take Obama out by force? Say it ain't so, Joe.

Is every person who runs for office automatically a spokesperson for the party he/she belongs to? You have already had several democrats have to apologize for their language or how they phrased certain things, including the president. You have no problem giving them a pass, I assume? And Breitbart? How do you make him a spokesman for the GOP, as LR has?

Btw, my spelling or republicans was not a play on words. My computer has a cute little trick of moving the cursor at times while I am typing, adding letters I'm typing to wherever the cursor landed. I am normally better at proofreading, though. Sorry about that.
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     No problem, I'm not good at proofreading myself.

     No, I don't think Republicans are arming to march on Washington to take out the Government, but their identification with the notion of small government has pushed them into alliances with folks who do have that sort of rhetoric from time to time.  The former candidate in Nevada is one of those people; she was a fringe person who should never have been permitted to run as a Republican because her views did fall into the "second ammendment solutions" category, even after she was pursueded to modify some of her other rhetoric by the party higher ups.

     Yes, she was representative, as are a lot of folks who agree with her politics.  

     Are there folks way out on the fringe in the Democratic Party?  Sure there are, but I doubt that there are any who are as far to the left as she is to the right.  The socialist Senator from Vermont who caucuses with the Democrats isn't that far left.

     Not everybody who runs for office gets a chance to win a party primary.  I think that those who do have a right to say that they speak for their party.  If I were to announce myself — a known liberal democrat — as a Republican candidate for office, then, well, probably not.  I'm not about to be absolute about this, simply reasonable and in line with what I understand from personal experience.  I also know that if the national party sends support in terms of speakers and sometimes adds and money, then that candidate has party backing and speaks for the party as well.  Ms. Right Angle appeared to do so, and continues on occasion to do so.

     There are more rational parts of the Republican Party that speak and act more reasonably these days, I'm sure, but to my mind they've been pretty much purged in favor of a far right base.  The fact that Ms. Angle seems  too difficult for you seems to me to speak to your essential Americanism, and your discomfort with what appears to be the more distasteful parts of her message.    At heart, you're a talker and a doer, not a killer, and killers make you wince.  You're willing to defend your country, and have done so proudly, and I salute you for it; with your fellow citizens, you seem to have a preference for democracy, and I can't help but salute you for that as well.

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Are there folks way out on the fringe in the Democratic Party?  Sure there are, but I doubt that there are any who are as far to the left as she is to the right.

Surely you jest, good sir. You only have to go to Missouri for that....not to mention Florida and then Pelosi out west. I would venture to guess that you possibly didn't even know much about her before this last election and now she is elevated in your eyes as a worse looney than ANY democrat in office? Man, she lost to one more ridiculous than she is!

she was a fringe person who should never have been permitted to run as a Republican

Republicans have a history of selecting wrong candidates. That's why Obama is in office.
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Republicans have a history of selecting wrong candidates. That's why Obama is in office.

LOL. And here I thought that was why Bush was in office.  

What is right and wrong, after all, should reference country, not just a political party. Maybe the Republican party should stop selecting candidates entirely? Maybe it's time to give the Green Party or the Libertarians a shot at the golden ring. I'm not sure they could do much worse than either of the two major parties have done in recent decades.


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ROFL! You could be right about Bush, Ron. The democrats, in their not-so-finest hour, selected two of the biggest phonies in the democratic party in Gore and Kerry to run against him.

I would like to see other parties get in there. Too often (like always) we are asked to choose between the best of the worst.

I'll put that on my wish list right under term limits for congress.
 
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