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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California has so far remained silent throughout the #Weinergate controversy.  Spokespeople from her office have not returned The Daily Caller’s requests for comment about the lewd photo sent from New York Democratic Rep. Anthony Weiner’s official verified Twitter account.

Pelosi, an ardent feminist, played a significant role in pushing for more information in a scandal that ultimately led to the resignation of Republican Rep. Mark Foley. For those who don’t remember, Pelosi swept into the Speaker’s office after making calls for an investigation into messages that Foley was sending to Capitol Hill pages. “Toward midnight, Ms. Pelosi took the floor. ‘As a mother and grandmother and the leader of the House Democrats,’ she began, demanding an investigation into what House leaders knew about the Foley messages,” the New York Times’s Kate Zernike wrote on Nov. 9, 2006. “Republicans booed, a rarity even in the raucous House chamber. She pressed on, however, smiling her unbudging smile.”

When it comes to a member of her own party and her inner circle, however, she appears not to care about behavior that’s potentially offensive to women. Her office hasn’t responded to TheDC’s requests for comment on whether or not the same standards for investigating congressional members’ sex scandals holds true for Democrat men, like Weiner, as it does for Republican men.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/01/weinergate-where-is-nancy-pelosi-ardent-feminist/#ixzz1O3xBNqAs
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Thanks, Mike. I hope, in the future, when someone berates Obama Pelosi for not openly and vocally condemning this or that, we can all remember just how silly such demands usually are.


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Do you believe he sent a lewd photo via Twitter Mike?

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Ron, the interesting part of this was Pelosi's immediate condemnation of Mark Foley to the point of demanding his leaving office and using it in the upcoming elections....and yet here for a situation with a lot of similarities...nada. ALso, the network news coverage of Foley and the lack of same for Weiner. One must assume that Republicans can commit immoral activities but Democrats are simply victims of smears. It's not the accusing...it's the selectivity of it that's so humorous.
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Uncas, believe it or not, I know almost nothing about Twitter. Actually, I joined it over a year ago but never used it or went back. I don't know what one can do on Twitter. What I do know is that, in the press interview he had yesterday (which, no doubt, you can find, if interested)he was like the proverbial cat on the hot tin roof. He was asked several times if that was the Weiner weiner in the online pic and he would do a dance rivaling Chita Rivera to get away from it...while not denying it. It was really entertaining to watch the squirm. The questions were kind of, er, hard on him.

Hey, uncas, sometime you just have to lighten up, yanno? I don't care if the fellow is democrat or republican....if you can't have a little fun with a guy named Weiner taking pics of his weiner and getting caught, there is definitely a huge lack of levity in your life (Im saying "you" as a generality, not you personally). This is just funny stuff, political affiliations aside!

The unfunny part is what I explained to Ron, the two-facedness of both Pelosi and the lamestream media in  their selective coverage and condemnation...but then there shouldn't be any surprise there, should there? That's the standard modus operandi of both..
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Ah, I guess I misunderstood the conclusions from that earlier thread, Mike. I thought the concensus was that we should criticize our politicians for what they condone rather than for what they fail to condemn.


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No, Ron, I think we should criticize our politicians for their inconsistencies. I remember a Peanuts cartoon I saw when I was in school and never forgot....Snoopy lying on top of his doghouse with a caption of, "It doesn't matter what you believe in as long as you are sincere." Never forgot it, for some reason.

I criticize the inconsistencies, Ron. I criticize, in this case, Pelosi and the press going mum on Weiner after having jumped on Foley. If something is criminally or morally wrong, it should be wrong, no matter who does it. If one person is to be criticized for doing it, then anyone who does it should also receive equal criticism. I could care less about political parties in this line of thought. No doubt Pelosi or democrats do not have a corner on the market for this type of action. If you want to show me an equal situation where a republican has done it, and I have no doubt there are also some, I will have the same to say about them.

You have seen enough of my posts to know that the burr under my saddle is the preferential treatment handed out to the democrats, and especially Obama,  by the mainstream press. The other burr is the condemnation of republican actions by the democrats, when they have excused themselves for the same types of actions.

Snoopy said it all. Be sincere. Be consistent and be fair. Our press could learn from that pooch.
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I agree, Mike. I just think we should generally limit the scope of those inconsistencies to what people DO rather than what they fail to do.

Pelosi also hasn't yet condemned those left-handed men under six-foot tall who steal from church plates and throw beer cans from car windows that we discussed in that other thread. You seem to be suggesting that if someone condemns something they have to then condemn everything -- else they are being inconsistent. Come to think of it, you haven't announced your stance on those beer can throwing buffoons either?

It seems to me, Mike, that the real crux of your contention lies in your perception of similarity between Foley and Weiner. But that's all it is -- your perception. If it turns out the cases are indeed identical, or at least very very similar, then I will join you in denouncing Pelosi's apparent favoritism.

The jury is still out, but I honestly don't see the same degree of similarity you apparently do. Both acts, if true, are wrong and need to be dealt with. But with the very limited knowledge I have of the events, I honestly don't think both acts are equally outrageous. I would characterize Foley as someone trolling for victims. By your own characterization, Mike, Weiner is someone with a sick, extremely inappropriate sense of humor. Again, I don't know the whole story. I suspect you don't either?

From a legal perspective, I agree they should be treated much the same. From a personal perspective, however? I don't think Pelosi or anyone else can be faulted for displaying a less emotional reaction for one than the other. The events simply are not the same.


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This is about a picture?

Who'd think with three wars
and people being shot down
every day in Syria it was
such a slow day in the newsroom.


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I have a sense of humour Mike so I get the weiner jokes and can understand why the press have pounced on the story. The problem for me is that it's highly unlikely that the story is true, at least not as it's being told.

Weiner supposedly intended to send the photo as a private message to a college girl who was following him on Twitter, the story goes that he unintentionally sent a public message to all 45,000 of his followers by accident. So far so good, apart from the fact that the photo wasn't a photo, it was a link to a photo at a yfrog photo storage site.

Now it gets really weird. The original message, supposedly sent to 45,000 people,  was only actually seen by one, he allegedly forwarded it to the world and Breitbart's Big Government were the only folk to get a screenshot of the offending photo so that it could be distributed to news organisations. A screenshot that has already been judged to be a forgery using state of the art rendering techniques.

The consensus among internet geeks is that Breitbart is in fact the mysterious @patriotusa76 who allegedly got the Tweet that 44,999 other folk missed.

My personal opinion is that the photo is real and is in fact Weiner's weiner, probably hacked some time earlier and the twitter story is a fabrication to make the story more interesting.

What's the difference between Foley and Weiner?

There was real evidence of Foley's indiscretion Mike, from multiple reliable sources, including witness statements from the recipients of his messages.

There's almost no evidence that Weiner did anything, apart from the circumstantial evidence that he'd taken a private photo of himself in underpants and that's based solely on his refusal to deny that the weiner was Weiner's weiner.



Making serious accusations without evidence to back up those accusations isn't a good idea, which is probably why Nancy is reluctant to go to war at this point.

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To answer your question, Uncas, yes, I believe he sent it....since he just admitted it.


btw, Ron, I see no reason for you to have deleted posts of mine just because another poster stepped over the line. Since you had left them alone for days until you deleted a post from another's response to me, I don't understand your reasoning. I was not disrespectful to LR and do not understand why my entire response should have been knocked out. If you, as boss, simply want to say "Because I'm the boss", that's fine, otherwise I'd like to know what line I crossed.
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I really don't understand the crime or sin
here . . . unless it somehow constituted
assault.   If all this was consensual
who cares.    The Europeans are right;
Americans do live in a church.


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You didn't cross any line, Mike. But your response to LR made absolutely no sense once Reb suggested his post should be removed. The only reason it remained for days was because I didn't understand it until Reb explained it. Sorry for the confusion.
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Ok, that's fine. Just trying not to cross any. Thanks for the explanation.
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     Two other differences between Foley and Weiner; a similarity first.

     Both of them were incredibly foolish with their careers and with the opinions of those who valued them.

     As far as we know at this time, Weiner was exchanging these messages with people who were over the age of consent, and Foley was exchanging his messages with folks who were, in large part at least, under the age of consent, at least for some of the time of these exchanges.  That makes what Weiner was doing at this time at least appear legal, and what Foley was doing appear illegal.

     This is not to say that Democrats can't do illegal things, or haven't dome illegal sexual things, or haven't dome very stupid sexual things that may not be illegal;.  It does mean this comparison is in this wise apparently ill chosen.

     The second distinction is that Representative Foley apparently used his position of power on the House page committee as a way of exerting influence over these kids — boys in this case — to sleep with him.  This is a fairly specific kind of abuse of power that is actionable when exercised in the business world, and is surely just as disgusting in the world of politics.  Is it illegal there?  Frankly, I don't know, but it sure as shootin' ought to be.  And its icky index on the Bob Scale is very high indeed.  I award it a seven out of ten pustules.

     In the case of Representative Weiner, I'd go for a three out of ten, because he was married with children, but broke no laws and there was no element of coercion.  Disgusting, but no abuse of power included and no sexual favors sought, though availability quite probably hinted at.

     Again a clear difference of the disgust-o-meter.

     There you have it, some actual differences in scope and kind.  You asked for it!

      
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The second distinction is that Representative Foley President Clinton  apparently used his position of power on the House page committee as president as a way of exerting influence over these kids — boys in this case — female worker thirty years his junior   to sleep with him. perform sex acts on him.   This is a fairly specific kind of abuse of power that is actionable when exercised in the business world, and is surely just as disgusting in the world of politics. Is it illegal there? Frankly, I don't know, but it sure as shootin' ought to be.

Now, Bob, if want a comparison that is actually valid, there it is.  
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     I believe that you could make a good case for that, except that she was over 21, and apparently bragged about it as a conquest.  Regardless of those differences, it still rates prettty high on my personal yuch-o-meter, and seems to be one of the low points for sexual behavior in office in my personal opinion.  Democratic or Republican.
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It seems everyone now is calling
for Weiner to resign for the crime
of treating everyone as stupid
and not getting away with it.


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Age may have something to do with legality, Bob, but not morality. As far as her bragging about it, well, why not? How many girls on the presidential staff could claim to spend so much quality time on the presidential "staff"?

It's kind of interesting to compare the two, actually..

In one corner you have Rep. Weiner, who is being barbequed for sending photos and correspondence to girls he had never met.

In the other corner, you had Clinton, who cheated on his wife with a 21 year old girl, was also accused of rape by another, and had four others make claims of inappropriate sexual behavior. You had a man who lied to congress, lied to an investigative court and lied to the American public.

In Weiner's case, no Democrat wants anything to do with him and many want him to resign. In Clinton's case, Democrats circled the wagons and protected him. Apparently morality levels are directly related to one's position, it seems. Today Kaine, former DNC chairman, said that Weiner should hit the road because "lying was inexcusable and could not be tolerated". Apparently the gentleman was in a comatose state during the Clinton years.  

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     Rep. Pelosi called for an ethics investigation by the house ethics committee, which is non-partisan.  I think such an investigation is a good idea.

     As for Clinton, I already said I thought he was wrong.  I think he was stupid for agreeing to appear before the committee to answer questions about his marriage, which should have been private, and when asked about the affair he should have said "yes."  I think that denying the affair was wrong, but understandable, a panic reaction or pure blind hope.  He may have wanted to protect his marriage, belatedly.  But I simply don't know.

     As for the rest of it, allegations are not charges, are they?  

     I think that they make a poor substitute for them because they have not been adjudicated; and, despite the various attempts of Republicans to bring such allegations to a legal test, nobody seems to have believed thus far that they could make a winning case out of them in criminal or civil court.  In civil court, I would remind you, the standards are lower than in criminal court, requiring only a preponderance of the evidence rather than reasonable doubt.

     In practical terms, this means more than 50% or so.

     I can't debate age and morality with you, Mike.  I don't know that states agree on an age of consent; nor do I know that women agree on it, either.  I know that men frequently don't.  I've known fathers that believe the age of consent should begin after their own deaths, and kids who believe that the age of consent should begin for their parents well after the kids themselves leave home.  People get funny about that sort of thing.  I still refuse to talk to my mother about the subject.

    
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I think that denying the affair was wrong, but understandable

I see. Lying was wrong but understandable. Yes, Bob, when people lie I would agree that most of the time they have their own reason for doing so. Clinton's repeated lying is understandable to you? Very generous of you....

As far as the allegations, as soon as  the women  came forth, the democratic political machine went into action, the same machine that was in the stages of smearing Lewinski and painting her as a lying little kid out for  her 15 minutes......until the blue dress showed up. When you have a "he said....she said" situation with the "he" being the president of the United States, the "she" has a problem, as did Ms. Jones and the others. of course you may say "No conviction - no foul" and that's fine but it's a hard sell. Even Clinton supporters acknowledge his womanizing tactics over the years. So, to sum it up, you can understand his lying and close your eyes to all allegations....and probably while saying "no bias here"....another hard sell!
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I see. Lying was wrong but understandable. Yes, Bob, when people lie I would agree that most of the time they have their own reason for doing so. Clinton's repeated lying is understandable to you? Very generous of you....



     Yes, Mike, wrong but understandable.  This is not generous, this is an observation of how people react when they are caught in a relationship threatening situation.  I understand a high proportion of them will say whatever they can to preserve the relationship, despite having done their best to undermine it by indulging themselves in the behavior that went before.

     You may be confusing "understand" with "support" or "condone" or "indulge in myself."  None of these are the case on my part, though I can't say as much for many of the Republicans who voted to impeach the man.


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As far as the allegations, as soon as  the women  came forth, the democratic political machine went into action, the same machine that was in the stages of smearing Lewinski and painting her as a lying little kid out for  her 15 minutes......until the blue dress showed up. When you have a "he said....she said" situation with the "he" being the president of the United States, the "she" has a problem, as did Ms. Jones and the others. of course you may say "No conviction - no foul" and that's fine but it's a hard sell. Even Clinton supporters acknowledge his womanizing tactics over the years. So, to sum it up, you can understand his lying and close your eyes to all allegations....and probably while saying "no bias here"....another hard sell!  



     That's quite a jumble, Mike.

      Yes, Clinton was elected with a history of affairs behind him.  The public knew that and elected him anyway.  Exactly how this amounts to "tactics," a word used in military and political circles, leaves me puzzled.  I fail to see how it offered him any advantage; I think it was a weakness.

     As far as I remember, the women didn't "come forth;" they were presented and funded by various Republican organizations and supported by various Republican legal groups of lawyers.

     Whatever the truth was about these allegations, this particular fact made it very difficult to evaluate the various charges being made.  I don't know if you appreciate the difficulty of this, but I believe that it accounted for the continued popularity of the President through much of the flood of accusation he endured.  The public seemed to feel that it was trumped up in large part; it was mostly the Republican base that seemed to believe otherwise at the time.

     There certainly was a Democratic response to both the actual affair and to the Republican attempt to take advantage of it.  Initially, it was to gather around the President and to fight back, but when the smoking dress came out, a lot of Democrats back off.  Some of President Clinton's former allies distanced themselves, including, for example, George Stephanopolous.  The first Lady was far from thrilled, and endured considerable criticism for standing by the criticism for standing by him politically.

     So I can say, fairly clearly, that I don't accept your account of either the situation or of my views of the situation.  Nor do I accept allegations to be the same as facts, especially when one can make allegations until one is exhausted about politicians with little worry about being
sued for slander.

     As for saying no bias here, I'm making an attempt to be fair.  I have also stated that I'm a political Liberal and that's where my sympathies lie.  It may be confusing when I criticize other Liberals or say occasionally nice things about conservatives, but that is part of the Liberal bias, I assure you.  As a Liberal, you're supposed to consider as much of everything as you can with an open mind.  I find that's not always possible, but I do try.
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There certainly was a Democratic response to both the actual affair and to the Republican attempt to take advantage of it.

Yes, I remember the response, spelled out by Hillary, who claimed it was all a "right wing conspiracy". Actually I can sense a taste of that in your reply, with your references to Republicans. That's fine. The Republicans didn't escort her to the Oval Office, didn't unzip Bill's pants for her or help her to her knees. Even after Willie's confession, Hillary refused to apologize for her invalid accusations...that also to be expected.

Liberals have open minds? Perhaps you are the  exception, then, but from what I see liberals are extremely close-minded. Unfortunately, so are Republicans.
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     I don't see her accusations of a vast rightwing conspiracy as invalid, though the specifics of some of the details about Ms. Lewinsky were wrong.  The accusations did not begin there, nor did they end there and included accusations of the President's involvement in drug smuggling, real estate fraud and many other things, most of which were unsuportable.

     Again, if one looks at the support that President Clinton had through the last days of his last term, it seems that quite a few folks found the charges difficult to credit as well.  Smoke and mirrors.  Many of the people who were out front in making them ended up having to resign their offices under pressure for worse offenses than they accused President Clinton of committing.

     Near as I can see, being a Liberal is not something that has to be limited to being a Democrat, though I certainly am a Democrat.  It's a function of a certain kind of education that gets carried over into politics, and I believe that there are or should be at least as many Republicans with that kind of education as there are Democrats.  It's a pity that that kind of education gets a bad name as well, since it's the sort of education that traditionally means an education that teaches a person to think for himself by offering a grounding in a wide variety of subjects from a wide variety of viewpoints.
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I don't see her accusations of a vast rightwing conspiracy as invalid

Ah, Bob, that comment in an excellent example of why you and I will never do anything but waste time discussing issues.

Hillary's comment was about the charges of Clinton  having sex with Monica. Clinton either seduced or courted Monica into sexual actions. Clinton lied about it..to congress, to the judge, to the public. The right-wing had absolutely nothing to do with Clinton getting Lewinsky to lick the love muscle............and yet, even with that fact, which is clearly obvious, you still can't, or won't say, that Hillary's statement is was invalid.

I'm not referring to something which I consider right, claiming that if you don't, you are wrong. I'm referring to a fellow who got caught with his pants down, literally, through his own actions and you apparently will still try to find some avenue in which you can lay some of the  blame off on to the right. You cause me to wave the white flag, Bob. Congrats,,,you win.  

I shall spend my time going through 2 billion Palin e-mails to see if I can find dirt like the libs are looking for.
 
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