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175 posted 07-18-2010 04:44 PM       View Profile for Grinch   Email Grinch   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Grinch

I see Denise.

Racist actions took place but the Tea Party didn’t allow them.

Before the Tea Party threw Mark Williams under the bus was he one of the instigators of the racism or one of the people who didn’t allow it?

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176 posted 07-18-2010 04:57 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

...and the beat goes on. Hey, Denise, in answer to your question, I would love to come over for dinner! Will there be tea?
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177 posted 07-18-2010 05:13 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Tea, coffee, beer, wine, whatever you want!
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178 posted 07-18-2010 05:15 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

You'll have to investigate that yourself Grinch, unfortunately, as I have never kept tabs on the Tea Party Express or Mark Williams.
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Deal!!
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180 posted 07-18-2010 05:26 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

That's too cute, Michael! Love it!


Herman says let's put it to bed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi-miawfDNU
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I researched him a while back Denise while looking into racists who’d become leading players in the Tea Party movement, I’m surprised you haven’t heard of him or the Tea Party Express, he was a frequent spokesman for the Tea Party movement on MSNBC, CNN and Fox.

He was a principle target of the NAACP request that the Tea Party denounce the racist elements within the Tea Party movement, as the video you linked to attests. The fact that the Tea Party has kicked him out of the movement because of his racist remarks is a little ironic given that he was the chief spokesperson for the Tea Party insisting that there weren’t any racists in the Tea Party!



Methinks they protested too much.
Oddly the Tea party didn’t have an issue with him on the previous occasions he’d resorted to racist remarks. For instance, they didn’t have a problem when he referred to the Cordoba House project as a facility for “"terrorists to worship their monkey god".

Of course there will now be the obligatory claims that he wasn’t a true Tea Partier as the Tea Party movement tries to put as much distance between itself and the racist bigot who was a leading figure in the movement up until today.

Are there racist elements in the Tea Party movement? Well there’s certainly one less than there was yesterday.


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Must not be a lot of room left under that bus!

Let's see, we have Reverend Wright, Obama's grandmother and Mark Williams, not to mention Van Jones. That's quite a group!
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Were the others racists and bigots too Mike?

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I never said that I never heard of him or the Tea Party Express. I said I didn't keep tabs on them. I may have seen him once or twice on the news but I never kept tabs on him, on what he said or did.

I did receive an email from the Tea Party Patriots last year in that they wanted to make clear that they were not affiliated in any way with the Tea Party Express and do not necessarily support what they do. I think it was in relation to endorsing specific candidates, though, as Tea Party Patriots does not believe in supporting specific candidates but encourages people to check out on their own everyone who is running and go with the candidate that most closely aligns itself with limited government and fiscal responsibility values. I don't remember anything being said about racist statements being involved, so maybe that was prior to such statements being made.

Nevertheless I never followed his activities or comments.
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I guess some people just see racism everywhere, even where it doesn't exist.

Sadly, Denise, you're right. Some do. I knew a woman in California who had a dog she rescued from an extremely abusive previous owner. Any time someone picked up something that even looked like a stick, the dog would cower and whimper, expecting to be hit again. A prolonged history of pain can do funny things to both people and dogs.

Still, when "some people" starts becoming "many people," maybe it's time to stop and take a closer look at the allegations?

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Of course there will now be the obligatory claims that he wasn’t a true Tea Partier as the Tea Party movement tries to put as much distance between itself and the racist bigot who was a leading figure in the movement up until today.

Are there racist elements in the Tea Party movement? Well there’s certainly one less than there was yesterday.

And what do  you find unacceptable about that, Grinch? What more would you want?

I think everyone here should denounce left-handed men under six-foot tall who steal from church plates and throw beer cans from car windows. If you don't denounce, you obviously condone.


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186 posted 07-18-2010 08:04 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Not only that, Ron, you need to condemn them daily, in case someone didn't hear you the first time.
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And what do  you find unacceptable about that, Grinch? What more would you want?


I’d prefer that they accepted there was a problem sooner and that they had a responsibility to deal with it rather than deny it.

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I think everyone here should denounce left-handed men under six-foot tall who steal from church plates and throw beer cans from car windows. If you don't denounce, you obviously condone.


Thanks for raising the subject Ron, I don’t have a problem denouncing them now that you’ve highlighted the issue. I wouldn’t mention it too loudly though – some folk may try to paint you as a diminutive left-handed beer can thrower and Church pilferer in a bid to deflect attention away from themselves.



Mike,

I’m not sure that mentioning it daily would work, after all Mark Williams didn’t get the message about racism and as a spokesperson for the Tea Party movement he was supposedly the one responsible for promoting it.


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I’d prefer that they accepted there was a problem sooner and that they had a responsibility to deal with it rather than deny it.

They did deal with it, Grinch.

Sooner might have been better, at least in this case, but sooner might have been precipitous in many other cases. Who's to say?

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Not only that, Ron, you need to condemn them daily, in case someone didn't hear you the first time.

Thanks, Mike. I hope, in the future, when someone berates Obama for not openly and vocally condemning this or that, we can all remember just how silly such demands usually are.


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189 posted 07-19-2010 07:55 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

WASHINGTON – The tea party  is not a racist group, says Vice President Joe Biden, though he believes that some of those involved in the movement have expressed racist views.
"Very conservative, very different views on government and a whole lot of things," Biden said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week." "But it is not a racist organization."
President Barack Obama doesn't think so, either, Biden said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_biden_tea_party
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Mark Williams, the tea party  leader who wrote a blog post this week calling the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) racist, has been "expelled" from the National Tea Party Federation.
Williams wrote the blog post on Thursday in response to the NAACP's Tuesday declaration accusing the tea party movement of tolerating racist elements in its midst (see The Upshot's rundown on the week of attacks and counterattacks here). It was written as an imaginary letter to President Abraham Lincoln and accused the NAACP of being racist for using the word "colored" in its name. When some reacted to it in outrage, Williams deleted it from his website, declaring it time to "move forward."
The National Tea Party Federation apparently decided to move forward without Williams. Spokesman David Webb said on Face the Nation this morning that Williams and his Tea Party Express had been pushed out because Williams' posting was "clearly offensive."

The tea party movement has been growing in influence in American politics since it began as a series of rallies in 2009. Candidates endorsed by local and national organizations that are a part of the coalition have won surprising victories over establishment Republican Party candidates in states like Kentucky and Nevada.
Part of their challenge, however -- especially in handling broader debates about what they "are" -- is that there isn't a single Tea Party that speaks for all tea party activists. Rather, there are dozens of national and local organizations that loosely coordinate and all emerged in opposition to Wall Street bailouts that occurred under Presidents Bush and Obama and what they perceive as the Obama Administration's efforts to expand the role of government. The question of whether or not it also has racial motivations has dogged it since the beginning. National Tea Party Federation's expulsion of Williams and the Tea Party Express could be the first of many internal disputes to define the national tea party identity.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100718/el_yblog_upshot/tea-party-group-expels-leader-for-clearly-offensive-blog-post
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“Last year, two Princeton sociologists, Thomas Espenshade and Alexandria Walton Radford, published a book-length study of admissions and affirmative action at eight highly selective colleges and universities. Unsurprisingly, they found that the admissions process seemed to favor black and Hispanic applicants, while whites and Asians needed higher grades and SAT scores to get in. But what was striking, as Russell K. Nieli pointed out last week on the conservative Web site Minding the Campus, was which whites were most disadvantaged by the process: the downscale, the rural and the working-class.  . . .

But cultural biases seem to be at work as well. Nieli highlights one of the study’s more remarkable findings: while most extracurricular activities increase your odds of admission to an elite school, holding a leadership role or winning awards in organizations like high school R.O.T.C., 4-H clubs and Future Farmers of America actually works against your chances. Consciously or unconsciously, the gatekeepers of elite education seem to incline against candidates who seem too stereotypically rural or right-wing or “Red America.”

This provides statistical confirmation for what alumni of highly selective universities already know. The most underrepresented groups on elite campuses often aren’t racial minorities; they’re working-class whites (and white Christians in particular) from conservative states and regions. Inevitably, the same underrepresentation persists in the elite professional ranks these campuses feed into: in law and philanthropy, finance and academia, the media and the arts.

This breeds paranoia, among elite and non-elites alike. Among the white working class, increasingly the most reliable Republican constituency, alienation from the American meritocracy fuels the kind of racially tinged conspiracy theories that Beck and others have exploited — that Barack Obama is a foreign-born Marxist hand-picked by a shadowy liberal cabal, that a Wall Street-Washington axis wants to flood the country with third world immigrants, and so forth.

Among the highly educated and liberal, meanwhile, the lack of contact with rural, working-class America generates all sorts of wild anxieties about what’s being plotted in the heartland. In the Bush years, liberals fretted about a looming evangelical theocracy. In the age of the Tea Parties, they see crypto-Klansmen and budding Timothy McVeighs everywhere they look.

This cultural divide has been widening for years, and bridging it is beyond any institution’s power. But it’s a problem admissions officers at top-tier colleges might want to keep in mind when they’re assembling their freshman classes

If such universities are trying to create an elite as diverse as the nation it inhabits, they should remember that there’s more to diversity than skin color — and that both their school and their country might be better off if they admitted a few more R.O.T.C. cadets, and a few more aspiring farmers.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/opinion/19douthat.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

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"there's the old bear trap"

No, it's the same guilt thing,
(with a redefinition of original sin).
Religions have thrived on it for thousands
of years so with such an example and in
societies thereby pre-disposed it's easy.

I'm lucky.  Not being born in the USA
and with one time time slaves for parents
I got and get a pass.

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Huan,

Have you read Thomas Espenshade and Alexandria Walton Radford’s book - ‘No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal’?

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194 posted 07-19-2010 11:41 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Someone mention racism....??


The "Brown Berets" at the Anaheim All-Star Game. Imagine if a non-Latino protester had gone into a pro-illegal rally crowd and said something half this bad. It would be on the national news for days. No such luck here. Take a good look. You will never see this on the alphabet nets. Brown Berets were modeled after the Black Panthers in the 1960s. Their goal? A "racially pure Aztlan" with all White Europeans and Jews forcibly removed. They are pro-Al Queda and have called Osama Bin Laden the "Muslim Pancho Villa".Hopefully Major League Baseball is watching this to see who it is exactly that wants the All-Star Game moved from Phoenix next year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt3of5KMvCI&feature=player_embedded#!
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So will the NAACP condemn Shirley Sherrod now?

Does Shirley Sherrod mean the entire Obama administration is racist?

Good for the goose....
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We'll see if they do, Michael. I thought they would have said something by now. Maybe I just missed it.

Alphabet nets....hehehehehe....I like that!
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Boy, that didn't take very long. I thought we were going to try to remember how silly such demands are?
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The exact point I was trying to make, Ron.....
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“We conservatives did not merely believe, we knew that America had become the least racist country in the world. That is why, among many other indicators, more blacks have emigrated from Africa to America than came here as slaves (New York Times, February 21, 2005). . .

One year and eight months after the president’s election, one can say with certitude that the election of a black has done nothing to change the dominant story (because the Left dominates our stories) about American racism. It is as central to the liberal/left depiction of America now as it has been since the civil-rights era.

But there is one very big difference. The vast majority of non-blacks no longer cower before the charge of racism. You can see it in the anger and ferocity of various tea parties’ responses to the false accusation of the NAACP. Before the election of Barack Obama, an NAACP attack on one’s anti-racist credentials might have been debilitating. No more.

It seems quite possible that the NAACP has now lost whatever moral clout it had among Americans. It is now seen by more and more Americans as what in fact it became some time ago — an abuser of its civil-rights moral cachet.

The charge of racism leveled by liberal organizations, whether black or white, is now regarded as the politically motivated falsehood that it is. It is rightly seen, along with its six siblings — sexism, xenophobia, intolerance, bigotry, homophobia, and Islamophobia — as the Left’s way of avoiding argument by demeaning its opponents. . . .

But there remains a major downside. To the extent that black Americans still believe that America is racist, or even merely that conservatives are racist, they pay a terrible price. Nothing is more debilitating than to regard oneself as a victim when one is not.

For that reason, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People not only fails to advance colored people, it inhibits them. And one day most black Americans will know this.

We hoped that day would be Election Day 2008. Many Americans believed that the fact that a black man was elected president — and the fact that among 300 million people there was virtually no identifiable negative reaction to America’s having a black president — would finally prove that this country is essentially race-blind.

But that apparently did not happen.

Therefore, if the NAACP’s preoccupation with white racism reflects the thinking of most or even many blacks, it means that there is nothing white America can do to undo the ongoing perception of endemic racism in this country — a perception that is now considerably more destructive to blacks than to American society as a whole.

http://article.nationalreview.com/438359/naacp-co nfirms-election-of-a-black-president-made-no-difference/dennis-prager?page=1

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