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WASHINGTON (AP) — A House investigative panel has decided to charge Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters of California with ethics violations, raising the possibility of a second high-profile trial with political implications for Democrats this fall.
People familiar with the investigation, who were not authorized to be quoted about unannounced charges, say the allegations could be announced next week. The House ethics committee declined Friday to make any public statement on the matter.
Waters has been under investigation for a possible conflict of interest involving a bank that was seeking federal aid. Her husband owned stock in the bank.

New York Democrat Rep. Charles Rangel also faces an ethics trial this fall on separate charges that included failure to disclose assets and income, nonpayment of taxes and doing legislative favors for donors to a college center named after him.

Both Waters and Rangel are prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Dual ethics trials would be a major political liability for Democrats, forcing them to defend their party's ethical conduct while trying to hold on to their House majority.

While Rangel is a former chairman of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee, Waters is a prominent member of the Financial Services Committee.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-07-31-maxine-waters-ethics-charges_N.htm?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomWashington-To pStories+%28News+-+Washington+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

WASHINGTON (AP) — To rebut a lengthy list of alleged ethical misdeeds, Rep. Charles Rangel is trotting out this three-way defense: I didn't do it. I did it, but was inattentive. Others lawmakers were allowed to do same thing without penalty.

It's an approach that nervous Democrats are watching closely in one of the most politically explosive cases in years.

Should it go to a public trial this fall, smack in the middlof the Congressional Black Caucuse of the election season, and should his defense fall short, that won't help Democratic candidates forced to defend their party's ethics against Republican campaign attacks.

The GOP already is demanding that specific Democratic candidates give up contributions provided by Rangel's political organizations, and about a half-dozen Democrats have asked the 20-term lawmaker to resign.

He's facing 13 counts of wrongdoing, including providing official favors in return for donations, hiding income and assets, and failing to pay taxes.
Rangel, 80, is a former chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/legislative/2010-07-31-rangel-defense_N.htm?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomWashington-TopS tories+%28News+-+Washington+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

So,  a prominent member of the Financial Services Committee is accused of wheeling and dealing ways for her husband to make a lot of money and a former member ofthe tax-writing Ways and Means committee is accused of failure to pay taxes. Hey, it didn't hurt Holder.

SO, will Obama go to bat for them, these two members of the Congressional Black Caucus? (Is  there a Congressional White Caucus, I wonder?) He has called Rangel's predicament "troubling". Haven't heard anything about Waters.

Pelosi is back in college, taking a refresher course on swamp cleaning, I hear.
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I was taught that the last line of an argumentative essay should be a summary.

So when I didn't "get" yours, I do with what I always do when I don't "get" it.



I googled the title.

Look what I found!
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/03/michelle_obamas_soupkitchen_du.html

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I have no idea what you just said ...although it is a subject changer, for sure.
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Are you saying some politicians might have ethical issues Mike!



Im not really surprised -  whats that saying about power corrupting? I wonder though, Is the unethical behaviour restricted to Democrats or are Republicans equally susceptible to unethical behaviour?

Is that the point youre trying to make Mike, that Democrats are less ethical than Republicans, or is it unethical politicians in general that you have an issue with?

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The Democrats have the stage for the moment but there has been plenty on both sides.

What makes this more interesting, or laughable if you will, is Pelosi. I cannot recall and Republican speaker coming into power by ripping on how bad and corrupt the Democrats were and how he/she is going to clean it up. Pelosi did that. Her words, her vows, here calling Congress a swamp. There have been isolated actions of corruption done by both sides over the years. Pelosi stuck her foot in her mouth with those accusations and words and they are coming back to bite her in a very tender place. I call that poetic justice.
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     No, it's Democrats, Grinch.

     I think that Charlie Rangel is in hot water for ethics violations, and it may actually be time for him to resign.  I'd like to see a more solid representation of the ethics charges against him, mind you, but it looks that way.  About Maxine Waters, I've been on vacation, and I'm not up to speed, but it doesn't sound that the ethics committee has considered her case yet, though [Edited - Ron].

     Before the Black Caucus, there actually was a White Caucus.  They called it The Congress and it was pretty much both houses and, except for a few years during reconstruction, that's the way it was.  And pretty much, yes, I'd have to say it was racist for the most part, if you consider supporting slavery then supporting segregation and the various forms of religious and racial discrimination that went along with these practices racist.

      I do. [Edited - Ron]

     You should, as should everybody else, make up their own minds on the basis of the evidence that they can tolerate looking at.  In my opinion.

     [Edited - Ron]

     The Nevada scandal has gone beyond ethics violations at this point and has hit the grand jury level and it seems criminal charges are pending or have been handed down.  As I say, I've been on vacation, and I'm behind the curve.  

     The Senator from Louisiana is still trying to deal with various prostitution beefs.

     [Edited - Ron]

     [Edited - Ron]

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Poetic justice?

Im not sure Mike.  Pelosi didnt claim that thered be no unethical behaviour, she just claimed thered be less, she said that the Democrats were going to drain the swamp, wouldnt that lead to more publicised instances of alleged ethical transgressions?

Could the two cases youve highlighted suggest that the swamp draining is actually working?

If youre getting rid of rats from a barn do the rats in the traps mean youre making progress or that youre efforts are failing?

Just a thought.

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Could the two cases youve highlighted suggest that the swamp draining is actually working?

hehe...yes, but not through any effort on Pelosi's part. Since she had mentioned that it was the Republicans who had made a swamp of Congress, I doubt she was referring to Democrats. She did not initiate any action in these cases. The swamp is being drained IN SPITE of her.

Bob, [Edited - Ron]. This thread was about these two incidences and Pelosi's swamp draining comments. If you wish to discuss republican scandals, start a thread. If you want to speak about voter registration, start a thread. You travel to faraway lands and then complain that I did not mention them. They had nothing to do with Rangel, Waters and Pelosi, that's why. If you want to discuss them, start a thread.

[This message has been edited by Ron (08-02-2010 09:45 AM).]

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     Tisk, tisk, Mike.  I was answering Grinch's question from one or two postings prior to my own.

     If you don't wish Republican wrongdoings to be brought up when you trash Democrats, then you might consider  keeping the discussion centered on them when the subject of Republican problems are brought up from time to time.  [Edited - Ron]

[Edited - Ron]

[Edited - Ron]

     I'm sorry to see that Ron felt the need to edit my posting, since I wasn't trying to be offensive.   However, it is Ron's judgement to make, and not mine, and he is remarkably tolerant (You are remarkably tolerant, Ron.) of my opinions.  I'll try to keep a more observant eye out about how I put things.

     And I do not want to hurt people's feelings, because I do regard the folks here as friends.

[Bob, your posts were edited not because you were necessarily offensive, but because you wanted to talk about Mike instead of talking about the topic. We're not here to analyze other posters. - Ron]

[This message has been edited by Ron (08-02-2010 09:48 AM).]

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I'll repeat once again...if you want to discuss Republican misgivings, start a thread.
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"If you wish to discuss republican scandals, start a thread" - Balladeer

Here you go, Balladeer: http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum6/HTML/002047.html


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Ron, you're gonna need a new pair of scissors soon.  
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quote:
She did not initiate any action in these cases


But that simply isnt true Mike, Pelosi and the Democrats created the Office of Congressional Ethics the organisation that highlighted the potential ethical issues.

She set the traps and they seem to be working.
http://www.speaker.gov/legislation?id=0167

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Pelosi was asked today about the Rangel and Waters issues. She responded that she knows nothing about them. The board works independently and does not share info with her.

If you believe that, there's still plenty of swampland down here for sale.
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Here you go, Balladeer

You misdirected your message, Jennifer. Bob is the one with the impulses to discuss them. Tell him...
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Democrats declare swamp of corruption drained
AP

WASHINGTON Democratic leaders say they've emptied the swamp of congressional corruption. Never mind the ethics trials to come for two longtime party members.

"Drain the swamp we did, because this was a terrible place," Speaker Nancy Pelosi said last week of the Republican rule in the House that ended in January 2007.

Pelosi's statement might seem odd, but it's an emerging strategy: Separate Democratic-initiated ethics reforms from the cases of Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and Maxine Waters, D-Calif.

Pelosi needs a strategy because Republicans have been adept at jumping on the troubles of Rangel, the former House Ways and Means chairman, and Waters, a senior member of the Financial Services Committee.

"The swamp was described in the press as a 'criminal syndicate' operating out of the Republican leader's office," she said last week in defining the phrase.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100803/ap_on_go_co/us_waters_ethics

Gotta love this woman...of you're a conservative. The swamp has been drained...because of charges against Rangel and Waters? No, because a "criminal syndicate" operating out of the Republican leader's office has been squashed. What criminal syndicate, you ask? Where is that reported in the newspapers? Where are the headlines? Who was in that criminal syndicate? How was it defeated? When? Beats me...

Pelosi seems to be using Obama tactics. When the stimulus plan is failing, call it a success. When unemployment stays high over expectations, say it could have been worse and call it a success. When Democrats are facing ethics violations, say a republican criminal syndicate has been erased and call it a success.

Thank you, Nancy. You are showing the American public exactly what they need to see.
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quote:
Pelosi was asked today about the Rangel and Waters issues. She responded that she knows nothing about them. The board works independently and does not share info with her.


Hmm..

If shes as bad as you paint her and she has the Office of Congressional Ethics in her pocket why the heck are the investigations still ongoing?

If however the Office of Congressional Ethics truly is independent youd expect her to have no control over who and what they investigate, which seems the case here. Given the evidence, Id say her statement makes a lot of sense.

They are draining the swamp the two Democrats being investigated are clear evidence of that.

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Rangel's investigation has been going on over two years. Of course you will paint it any way you like. No problem. Perhaps you also have some information on the Republican criminal syndicate she has eliminated? I feel certain you do...it would fit.

Believe me, if Rangel and Waters were Republicans, she would be grabbing headlines, bleating about how and her crack team is bringing the wrongdoers to justice, instead of looking bewildered and have nothing to say but "Don't ask me. I know nothing."
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Mike,

Im not painting it at all Im just stating facts.

Pelosi said shed drain the swamp and the fact that two Democrats are being investigated is fairly convincing evidence that the draining is underway.

Is it embarrassing for her that two Democrats are being investigated? Of course it is, they tarnish the party as a whole but swamp draining sometimes reveals stuff you didnt really want to see. Would she have been happier if they were Republicans? Of course she would, shed have been dancing in the street, in the same way that the Republicans are dancing right about now but you claiming that theres no swamp draining going on is one dance too many.

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LOL
Well, do we all agree there is a swamp to drain?
Do we all agree there are people on both sides of the aisle (past and or present) who have done their part to create the swamp?
Can we agree that what ever action is taken to lessen the rise of the swamp, might be a good thing?

Can we all agree, that partisan politics exists and that which ever side of the aisle can, will make use of wrong doing on the other?

If we can agree to this.... then we can also probably agree that the use of exageration, hyperbole,spin, twists, and leverage are a part of the political game,
again... regardless of which side of the aisle you might find yourself.

If you've said yes to the above, then there should be no surprise with headlines, accusations, promises,or posturing done by any of the pundits or politicos....

Is it the feeling of being ineffective that drives this debate forward? The frustration that comes from feeling you are unable to truly impact the behaviors of those ELECTED officials?
Or, is it simply easy to look across the aisles at each other and point to examples, place blame, and call the whole of the situation "the other guys fault"?

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When Pelosi said she would drain the swamp, she was referring to the "Republican criminal syndicate", as she has acknowledged. Democrats getting caught up in it is an embarrassment to her and, obviously not of her choosing.

Once again, what info you you have over that crime syndicate that she claims she has handled?
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     Jennifer left at least one link.  Failure to examine evidence does not mean evidence does not exist.  Saying it is somebody else's job to deal with it (See your comment, "Bob is the one with the impulses to discuss them. Tell him..." above.) does not justify saying that no reply to your various statements has been made.  Nor does it justify suggesting that the comments were not cogent, since you have explicitly denied reading them.

     Why not actually read the statements you say you disagree with, if only to see if they were actually made, let alone to check out whether you disagree with the statements themselves or merely with the name of the person making them?  That way, we would be able to disagree on matters of fact or elements of reasoning instead of disagreeing about matters of reality, such as this one.

     Jennifer did offer examples.

     You may disagree with them and may even be right, but that discussion can't happen as long as you pretend that she hasn't done so when her posting is there for everyone to see.


    
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I saw no link from Jennifer referring to Rangel or Waters, Bob. Perhaps you could point them out to me?
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Perhaps you also have some information on the Republican criminal syndicate she has eliminated?


Certainly Mike, Pelosi claimed she was going to drain the swamp and some sections of the media reported it as an attempt to counter the Republican criminal syndicate.

I can find plenty of references quoting Pelosi claiming that the Republicans hadnt acted to address unethical behaviour, which they hadn't, but I cant find a single quote where she called them a Republican criminal syndicate.

I may have missed it though, presumably, as youve attributed the quote to her, you can supply the details when and where did she actually say that Mike?

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