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http://www.slate.com/id/2165783

“Having a hard time keeping track of all 10,000 GOP scandals? Between fired U.S. attorneys, deleted RNC e-mails, sexually harassed pages, outed CIA agents, and tortured Iraqi prisoners—not to mention the warrantless wiretapping, plum defense contracts, and golf junkets to Scotland—you could be forgiven for losing track of which congressman or Bush administration flunky did which shady thing. Renzi—now, was that the guy with the skeezy land deal? Or the woman Paul Wolfowitz promoted?”

Link to an interactive feature on scandals of the Republican party:
http://www.slate.com/features/2007/scandal_guide/scandalmap.html
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Jennifer, my Dear, thank you so much for your lovely present, with illustrations, and in just my color and size.  How very thoughtful!  You are as tasteful as ever and I l think your timing is great.  I have so missed you these past several weeks, and it's good to see you again.

     Love your new thread.  Love what you're doing with the place.

    

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Jennifer- I noticed you didn't have time to research the various Democratic scandals, from violating Washington DC homesteading laws, to ethics probes, to lying under oath, to hiding money in thye freeser, to making 9 trips to Germany in one month on the company dime, to others...

[Edited - Ron]




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I have all my work done, and figured I would take a break and grab something to eat while perusing the blue pages for something to read, and decided that I would play Jennifer's little game and watched her little cartoon...
I actually got a giggle that she brought up
(via the website) a bunch of scandals that happened YEARS ago during a different administration. To me it brings up a question:
Is this a case of don't worry about us, and what we are doing now... look at what these evil people did six years ago. Why are you antagonizing us when the Bush Administration did these things when it was in office... that means we get to bring up
OLD muddy weater to try and take the heat off of our beloved charlie Rangel and dear, sweet Maxine Waters who are embroiled in scandals now...

If you are going to do the tit for tat game, then please bring up something the Republicans are doing NOW.

Here, I'll get you started:
Allison Meyers, the director of the Young Eagles (a Republican group designed to woo young voters to the GOP) was fired in March for taking a bunch of youngsters to a strip club and spending almost $2000.

Your turn... if you can.

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     Ah, Ringo, sorry.

     Not being welcome in a site where the Republican stuff was being discussed and where we addressed Republican Senators from Louisiana and Nevada, to mention two, we were told to start our own silly thread where we could talk about Republican sins.  I thought it was a bit silly, because anybody who felt their folks were being trashed would want a shot at a Quid Pro Quo at the other side.  I know I would, and did, but what the heck, that's the way things are being run these days.  

     Consider my rebuttal, the comments about Nevada and Louisiana, which are certainly current.  Some of my comments were allowed to stand on the other thread, and the comments that Ron felt seemed to be directed at Mike were edited out, as was his right.

     But don't blame Jennifer for the one-siddedness of this thread.  If anyone, blame me.  

     I'd like to see more recent Republican scandals than the ones Jenn listed, but they are a good bunch, and if you look at the handling of Ms Sherrod by Mr. Breitbart, and if you look at Mr. Limbaugh and the usual folks, you'll see that the scandals continue as normal on the right as on the left.  Mr. Limbaugh's comments about calling the President of The Harvard Law Review as fit only for employment as a tour guide were racist in the extreme, and were only made worse by the fact that The Man is now President of The United States.

     And so on.

     Nice to have a chance to chat with you again. Always a treat.
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Just a little memory refresher for those who can't or choose not to remember the Bush swampland.

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And, once again...
NO ONE has ever denied there were parts of the Bush, Jr. administration that were less than 100% ethical... and yet, it seems that the ONLY thing the Liberals/Democrats have to say when they are reminded about their own missteps is "But what about Bush? This is all his fault!"
My thoughts...

GET OVER IT!!

The man's presidency has been dead for a year and a half... Yes, there were things about the Bush years I didn't like; yes, there were things done that I did not agree with; yes, he left us with a $300 Billion deficit because he cut taxes, and then allowed the Democrats who had been in power since 2006 to continue with all of the spending...
The $11.7 TRILLION has absolutely nothing to do with the Bush administration... well, nothing past the .3 trillion he left office with.
The current administration... well, the White House, has not much to do with it, either, should one want to be completely fair, as I have asked you to be. It is the Democratic Congress (and Senate) that is creating all of the laws. The ONLY thing I blame the Chief Cook and Bottle Washer of the US Titanic is for not having the sense, or ability (or desire) to reign them in and to stop them from continually spending when we don't have money.

Anyhow... back to the scandals...
While I am a history major, and rather enjoy discussing the history of the United States (and how most people get it wrong), This was- I thought- a discussion about CURRENT events... The Republicans have done many things to have you wringing your hands gleefully, and yet... they never seem to make the Blue Pages...

If an the affirmative of the debate is to be taken seriously, then it must continue to provide reason to remain relevant, and not spend the entire afternoon shouting the same sentence.

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They  can't get over it, Ringo. It's all they've got.
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A suggestion was made,

"If you wish to discuss republican scandals, start a thread" - Balladeer

so I took the time to find a cute little interactive guide through the Bush Swampland, started a thread but the only one who seems to apppreciate the effort is Bob. Oh well, can't please everyone.

Anyway, the thread topic is GOP Scandals, feel free to add to the list and bring it up to date if you wish. All are welcome to join in!

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Jennifer, if you check, Bob is the one who wanted to discuss it. Of course he appreciates it. He did not want to discuss Rangel or Waters in a thread about Rangel and Waters. He preferred to point fingers at Republicans instead. You gave him what he wanted and what I told him would be the appropriate thing to do.

What was your complaint again?
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No complaints here, Balladeer, but thanks for asking. I’m very pleased with the way this thread turned out, it’s been most revealing.  
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quote:

Jennifer, if you check, Bob is the one who wanted to discuss it. Of course he appreciates it. He did not want to discuss Rangel or Waters in a thread about Rangel and Waters. He preferred to point fingers at Republicans instead.




     I acknowledged what I knew and thought appropriate to comment upon about the two cases.

     My preference is that we have a scandal free Congress.  Pointing fingers at Republicans is a distant second best.  Your suggestion that the Democrats were the problem was a half-truth at best when in fact Mr. Vitter and Senator Ensign are substantial problems in their own right.  Senator Ensign's issues at least are even more serious than either of the two Democrat's issues since more recent developments in his case have been brought to a grand jury for issuance of criminal complaints.

     This is different from an ethics investigation, as you will be well aware.

     You will no doubt be aware as well that the criminal complaint has to do with gaining his aid — the husband of his mistress, in this case — work with a Washington Lobbying firm within a year of leaving the Senator's Employ.  Other aids of the Senator are apparently willing to testify that the fact that this was a violation of Federal law was discussed with the Senator at that time, putting the Senator potentially in violation of Federal Law.

     The Ethical Violations involved for such a Family Values candidate keeping a mistress in the first place seem almost secondary in comparison.

     Senator Vitter's Family Values Stance was also a key point in his election campaign.  His patronage of prostitutes was never part of the campaign appeal.  My own opinion is that I dislike the whole business, but that it should be a matter of private morality unless somebody is being highly hypocritical in the matter.  Senator Vitter's situation seems to have risen to that level.

     In some states his behavior is considered criminal.  In his own, I believe it may be considered something else.  It is nevertheless well worth comment.

     My own statement from the other thread about Ms Waters and Mr. Rangel follows:

quote:

     I think that Charlie Rangel is in hot water for ethics violations, and it may actually be time for him to resign.  I'd like to see a more solid representation of the ethics charges against him, mind you, but it looks that way.  About Maxine Waters, I've been on vacation, and I'm not up to speed, but it doesn't sound that the ethics committee has considered her case yet, though [Edited - Ron].



     Information on Senators Vitter and Ensign may be found on the Rachel Maddows blog, should more information be desired.
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Info on Ensign:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/john_ensign/
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And on Vitter, something a little more recent than his call girl/diaper scandal:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_07/024624.php
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And then there’s this on Tea Party Queen, former Republican VP Candidate Sarah Palin:

Palin Guilty of Major Ethics Act Violation: Must Return $386,000 in Contributions

Nearly a year after she quit her governorship of Alaska, Sarah Palin was found guilty today of another breach of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act involving her so-called Alaska Fund Trust (AFT), which she established as a private "legal defense fund" while governor.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-dunn/palin-guilty-of-major-eth_b_624863.html

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     No comment, Mike?
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Bob, I mentioned in another thread what it means when I don't comment. You're resorting to goading now? There is some obligation I am not fulfilling?
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     No, Mike, I was looking for an apology for your mischaracterization of me, which I quote below after doing it more fully in a previous posting, above.  

     At a minimum, you were wrong in suggesting I was unwilling to discuss Mr. Rangel or Ms. Waters.  Comments about Republicans were made in addition to and not instead of comments on these two Congresspersons.

quote:

Bob . . . did not want to discuss Rangel or Waters in a thread about Rangel and Waters. He preferred to point fingers at Republicans instead.

  


     I pointed out the error, and I quoted the section from my posting that shows your error.  I don't mind repeating the quote here.

quote:

     I think that Charlie Rangel is in hot water for ethics violations, and it may actually be time for him to resign.  I'd like to see a more solid representation of the ethics charges against him, mind you, but it looks that way.  About Maxine Waters, I've been on vacation, and I'm not up to speed, but it doesn't sound that the ethics committee has considered her case yet, though.



    I am not now and was not then goading.  I am reminding you that when you mischaracterize somebody, it is appropriate, once you become aware of that fact, to acknowledge it and to apologize for doing so, especially if you wish your words to be taken seriously, and if you believe they may have a serious effect on those who read them.  If not, of course, I'm sorry to have bothered you unnecessarily.
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I understand. Yes, you mentioned them before moving along to shift to Republican finger-pointing. I was in error to imply you did not comment on them at all and I apologize.
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Fox News Channel

“Fox (FNC) is owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation and Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal. Rupert Murdoch is an Australian business titian, about whom Bill Moyers once said, “He buys lobbyists the way Almeda Marcos bought shoes.” Murdoch has been widely accused of destroying the foundation of American democracy – a free press, as seen in this documentary.”


OutFoxed-Rupert Murdoch's War On Journalism http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/o utfoxed-rupert-murdochs-war-onjournalism/580cbe3dab32a5546471580cbe3dab32a5546471-166137889497

“The man who owns the next largest share of FNC is Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, who gave former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani ten million dollars for finance relief efforts after 9/11, but then released a statement blaming the attack on the World Trade Center by Saudi hijackers on the United States policy in the Middle East.”
http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/a-biased-look-at-fox-news/


“Alwaleed is best known for going to Ground Zero after the 9/11 World Trade Center attacks and personally handing then-mayor Rudolph Giuliani a check for $10 million to help finance relief efforts. Afterwards, Alwaleed released a statement blaming the attacks not on the Saudi airline hijackers, but on U.S. policies in the middle east. As a result, Giuliani returned the prince's donation, gaining him praise from Fox News for doing so. Now that Alwaleed has a controlling ownership in News Corp., he is gaining influence over Fox News. In 2005, just months after Alwaleed acquired his first 5.4 percent stake in News Corp., Fox News covered riots in Paris under a banner saying "Muslim riots." Alwaleed allegedly called Murdoch and had him change the banner to say "Civil riots." Investigative journalist Joseph Trento also reported that a comment he recently made on a Fox Network morning news show, Fox and Friends, about Saudi Arabian money still financing Al Qaeda, was edited out of the show. Trento also reports that Alwaleed "has personally donated huge amounts of money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers." In a rare interview with Fox News' Neil Cavuto in January, AlWaleed explained his personal reasons for seeking influence in American politics: the U.S. buys Saudi Arabia's oil, and the bulk of his country's gross domestic product (GDP) comes from oil. Fox News reliably broadcasts misinformation on clean energy, and aggressively fights efforts to move America away from being dependent on a fossil fuels”
http://www.prwatch.org/node/8906

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Brought to you by the same folks who brought you...

  


*  The Best War Ever: Lies, Damned Lies and the Mess in Iraq
    * Weapons of Mass Deception: The Uses of Propaganda in Bush's War on Iraq
    * Toxic Sludge Is Good For You: Lies, Damn Lies and the Public Relations Industry
    * Mad Cow USA, which documents the PR coverup of human and animal health risks from mad cow disease
    * Trust Us, We're Experts: How Industry Manipulates Science and Gambles With Your Future
    * Banana Republicans: How the Right Wing is Turning America Into a One-Party State


Fox News reliably broadcasts misinformation on clean energy, and aggressively fights efforts to move America away from being dependent on a fossil fuels”

Whoever wrote that has obviously never watched Fox  News but, then, one doesn't have to know what one's talking about to write, does one?

Sometimes a "Rush to Smudgement" just doesn't work out that well, Jenn.
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Beck Blames One Of Fox News’ Largest Shareholders, Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, For 9/11

"On his television program this afternoon, Glenn Beck declared that Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, the largest stockholder of Fox News outside of the Rupert Murdoch family, “flew … the plane into the trade centers.” Beck started his rant as a defense of Israel’s actions against the aid flotilla to Gaza, but eventually began hypothesizing about if a similar flotilla was sent to Manhattan by Saudi Arabia. Beck said this had already happened essentially, when Prince Alwaleed offered $10 million dollars to then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

Beck repeatedly burst into moral outrage, demanding why people are held “to a different standard” and why the media refused to be “consistent” with its reporting. Of course, during his monologue, Beck never mentioned that the very Saudi Prince Beck accused of being behind the 9/11 attacks is a close friend of his own boss, Rupert Murdoch, or that Beck’s employment at Fox News is financed by that same Prince. Without a tinge of irony in his voice, Beck implored his listeners not to trust any offering of money from Prince Alwaleed, despite the fact his own salary depends on him:

BECK: Didn’t we almost kind of do that? Do you remember what happened right after 9/11 with Rudy Giuliani? Do you remember Saudi Arabia came and said, we want to help. This guy [pointing at Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud] came over and said ‘I want to give you a $10 million dollar check.’ Rudy Giuliani said, you see that over there? I don’t think we want your help. You already sent us help. And you flew that help into the plane, into the the trade centers. The same prince later blamed the U.S. policy for the attacks. Giuliani said, take your check, we don’t want your money. There is no way America, that if it was us, that we would allow that to happen. Why do we hold people to a different standard?"
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/03/beck-alwaleed-911/
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     United Staes policy in the Middle East is no excuse for 9/11, and the Prince should know that.  It was a stupid thing to say for such a bright guy.

     While I dislike United States policy in The Middle East intensely, and I believe it has been muffed for almost a hundred years, and muffed badly, I can't tell you anybody whose Middle East policy has been a brilliant success, either.  Everybody since Alexander of Macedon who sets foot into the area seems to lose at  their strategic thinking abilities, and nobody seems to have improved on Alexander's approach.  

     That would be to conquor everybody and conscript all the men of fighting age into your army to go fight somebody else.  That leaves only old men and children and the women at home.  It seems a bit draconian to me, but overall an improvement over the mongol solution, which was worse.

     Mike, I've watched a fair amount of Fox from time to time at least.  You might have noticed Jennifer quoting Beck, whom I have not watched, though I've heard excerpts from him.  Thank you for including the list of other programs presented by the same production company.  I haven't see any of them, however,. so wouldn't know how to evalute them.

     What were they like?  Were they accurate in the facts they reported.  That would be an important issue for me.  I am interested in prion disease, if for no other reason because I find the whole notion of prions fascinating, but also because it exposes information about the agriculture industry that I hadn't been aware of before.  And toxic chemicals are important to me because my wife has a great deal of trouble with them, especially dyes and perfumes, and I have friends who've had some serious problems with them.

     Perhaps you've been fortunate not to have any problems with this sort of stuff, and not to have friends with problems like this as well.  Growing up in Canton, Ohio, I was shocked at how many of my health problems went away when we moved to Upstate New York, to Ithaca in the early sixties, and all the particulate matter and toxic chemicals in the air went way down.  When you've never had experience that person and that dramatic, it can seem strange when you find others concerned with issues that are tied in with it.
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Fox News is palling around with Suicide Bombers.
    
In 2002, Al-Waleed donated 18.5 million British pounds ($27 million) to Palestinians during a TV telethon following Israeli operations in the West Bank refugee camp in Jenin in response to a suicide bombing that killed 29 Israelis. The telethon was ordered by Saudi King Fahd to help relatives of Palestinian "martyrs", which the Saudi government defined as "Palestinians who are victimized by Israeli terror and violence," and insisting the money wouldn't reach the families of suicide bombers. Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal stated that half of his pledge would help rebuild Palestinian infrastructure destroyed by Israeli forces, while the rest would be donated in the form of goods, including 100 vehicles and clothing.[8][9] However, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council said that "some money will go to the families of suicide bombers."
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/29476
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     Exactly what was Jennifer's smear, Mike?  

     I looked, but couldn't find it.

     Your suggestion that she made "a Rush to smudgement" suggests that that she did make such an attempt, but offers no evidence.

     Supplying that evidence would lift your own statement out of the "smudgement" category and place in the well meaning criticism category to my mind.  Evidence would be the factor that creates the distinction.  Plausible evidence, of course, elevates the distinction even further, but then reasonable people do differ about that, frequently.

     I would place a little smiley face here, had I ever mastered the icons, except that I can never judge their sincerity.
 
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