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This was a statement by Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Abul Gheit on Nile-TV. It was made on the «Round table show».

This is the statement recorded:

Adul Gheit said he had a one-on-one meeting with Obama, where the US President told him that He was still a Muslim, the son of a Muslim father, the step son of Muslim stepfather, that his half brothers in Kenya are Muslims, and that he was sympatetic towards the Muslim agenda.

Adul Gheit claimed Obama told the Arabs to show patience. Obama promised that once he overcame some domestic issues, like the Health care reform, he would show the Muslim World how to deal with Israel.

Source: Israeli magazine, Israel today. (full article)
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/egyptian-minister-obama-told-me-he-is-a-muslim/#comment-4858
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     That is impressive.

     It's impressive in that it's a lot of stuff.  In that somebody is trying hard and that it's not enough stuff, and that somebody hasn't picked up the disparity in the figures given out and scrambled to cover the difference with some sort of new information of disinformation or a plausible story at least.  I'd want the respect of somebody doing a creative job of lying to me and pretending on some level that it mattered, because to me it does.  I don't want starving a million people to be something that's easily swept under the rug as though it didn't matter.  I don't want somebody looking back in twenty years and saying, hey, that cover-up was really pathetic, how come you didn't see through it?  Were you just sticking your head in the sand, or what?

     I want somebody to really work at helping my denial along here, and the fact that nobody seems to be willing to do that is sort of insulting.  I find that impressive, the contempt with which my intelligence is being treated.

     I don't want the folks in Gaza to start tossing missiles into Israel, but, I must confide in you, I don't think they need to be starved to death in order to avoid that situation either.  I know this may seem a radical suggestion to some, but there is actually a fair amount of distance between those two choices.

     Very impressive.
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Are the people in Gaza starving?


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"I don't want the folks in Gaza to start tossing missiles into Israel"

START tossing? You've been asleep a long time, Bob. How about over 6300 in the past five years? Start, you say? That's impressive...
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I read that earlier too, Michael. I guess it should come as no surprise. Lots of things certainly would make more sense if that were the case, like his first post election speech being to a worldwide Muslim audience, which we didn't even find out about until afterward, his blatant disrepecting of Israel, on more than one occassion, his bowing to the Saudi king, and his establishing a new Muslim Outreach Office, his forbidding the use of the terms jihad and war on terror in government papers, etc.

I tried to find a link to the actual program but didn't have any luck. Or maybe I did but didn't know what I was seeing as some of the links when I googled it were in Arabic. But Google was caught attempting to bury things recently, ever since one of Google's execs got a job in the administation, so who knows?
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Good question, John. Is there evidence that the people are starving?

Also, I would be much more skeptical of claims made by the U.N. than by claims made by Israel.
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Looks to me like this baby is starving, Denise. You're a grandmother, what do you think? Is that a malnourished infant?
http://www.commondreams.org/video/2010/06/13
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There have been plenty of signs, Denise. Most people just haven't been made aware of them. Here's a list...


    March 2009, Obama declares the "war on terror" is over despite a dramatic increase in jihad war ops.

    March 2009, he floats the idea that he will talk to violent, genocidal Hamas.

    March 2009, he demands, recruits and insists that more Muslim Americans work in the Obama administration.

    April 2009, Obama tells Europe to admit Islamic Turkey into EU, much to the consternation of the Europeans.

    April 2009, Obama demands non-Muslims respect Islam (despite our differences) in a speech in Turkey.

    April 2009, Obama in a speech from Turkey: "We are not a Christian nation."

    April 2009, Dalia Mogahed, the first hijab-clad senior adviser to Obama on Muslim affairs says in an interview with terrorist- and jihad-supporting Sheik Yusuf  Qaradawi's website, "Many have claimed that terrorists have 'hijacked Islam'. I disagree. I think Islam is safe and thriving in the lives of Muslims around the world. What the terrorists have been allowed to take over are Muslim grievances."

    In April 2009, Obama lays groundwork for a partnership with Hamas.

    May 2009, Obama promises to offer his "personal commitment" to Muslims.

    May 2009, Obama calls America "one of the largest Muslim countries on the planet."

    June  2009, Obama invites the Muslim Brotherhood, violent global jihadist group whose sole objective is a universal caliphate, to his speech to the ummah (Muslim community) in Cairo.

    June 2009, Obama makes a stunning speech to the Muslim world from Al Azhar University in Cairo. It defies explanation.

July 2009, Obama reaches out to the violent jihadists of Hezb'allah.

July 2009, Obama creates a new office at the State department, Outreach to the Worldwide Muslim community, reporting directly to Hillary Clinton.

    July 2009 State Department Welcomes Hamas Mouthpiece, Al-Quds TV, to DC to Film Propaganda.

    Obama promises to close GITMO.

    Obama is rebuked when plans are revealed for CIA prosecutions for 911 interrogations: Seven Ex-chiefs of CIA Oppose Case Review: ALL Sign letter to Stop CIA Persecutions.

    In July, Obama sanctions the brutal crackdown of those marching for freedom in Iran and sides with the mullahcracy. He stands silent about the Iranian regime's mass executions, mass rape and murder.

    July 2009, Obama plans to slash US nuclear arsenal.

    September 2009.  Bolton on Obama at the UN: "This is the most radical anti-Israel speech I can recall any president making" "I have to say I was very shaken by this speech."

    October 2009, Obama offers millions in Muslim technology fund.

    November 2009, Fort Hood Jihad Cover up:  Obama Urges Congress To Put Off Fort Hood Probe, Warns Against Turning Tragedy Into "Political Theater."

    November 2009, Obama offers the Taliban control of the Kandahar, Helmand, Oruzgan, Kunar and Nuristan provinces, in return for a halt to the Taliban missile attacks on U.S. bases.

    November 2009, Obama Reaches out to bloody Jihadis in the Philippines.

     On Thanksgiving eve, Obama issues a special Hajj message to the world's Muslims.

    December 2009,  Obama's "Non-Religious" White House Christmas and No Christmas Gifts for his Kids.

    February 2010, Obama names a Hafiz to the Organization of the Islamic Conference. "And as a hafiz of the Koran, [Hussain] is a respected member of the American Muslim community," Obama said in his message to the Doha meeting, using the term for someone who has mastered and memorized the Muslim holy book.

    February 2010, Obama cuts US space program, orders NASA to work with Muslim countries.

    February 2010, covering up for jihadists in the White House.

    Obama's counter terrorism adviser, John Brennan, Involved in Obama Passport Breach.

    March 2010, Obama Obsession with Islam: Calls 'entrepreneurship summit' with Muslims.

    April 2010, Libyan Pres Gaddafi Praises Obama: "Barakeh Obama is friend" "He is of Muslim descent, his policy should be supported...."

    May 2010, Obama's Counterterrorism Adviser Calls Jihad "Legitimate Tenet of Islam."

    May 2010,  White House Pro-Terrorism John Brennan Speechifies in Arabic, Equates Terrorists with Shoplifters, Lawmakers Call for his Firing.

    June 2010,  Obama equivocates on the jihad warship convoy (affectionately named a "flotilla" by the media): Obama "Expressed a Deep Regret Over Loss of [Jihadist] Life."

    June 2010, Obama Administration to Support Anti-Israel Resolution at UN.


http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/-obama-tells-egyptian-foreign-minister-i-am-a-muslim-stealth-coup-on-the-white-house.html
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And so the news media is mute
about people in Gaza starving?


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It's hard to tell, Jen. One of my granddaughter's was very tiny like that, still is. She looks about two years younger than others her age. Her arms and legs are like sticks, but she is healthy, agile and a great little gymnast. The doctor said she is just small. The other two were more normal in size, maybe even a little on the chubby side as babies.

But the children in the video are eating, so no, they aren't starving.

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That's frightening, Michael. I knew some of those things, but most I'd never heard. So much this guy does just flies under the radar, doesn't it? I guess some of it happened when we had our attention diverted elsewhere like on healthcare and deficits. Hmmmm....maybe that was the plan. You miss what the one hand is doing when you are focused on the other.
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Jesus would weep.

Anyway, Kwashiorkor syndrome. Check it out.
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Mike,

I think Obama’s only true faith is in his own superiority,
(I can’t remember a president so openly patronizing, even scornful).
I think he’s confident in the gullibility of enough to get what he
wants and to him that is all that matters.   What does he want?
It may be as simple as payback.  

I think his first allegiance
is to his ego.

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You may want to recheck that baby for the symptoms of Kwoshiorkor Syndrome, Jen.
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Nah,I'll just wait for you to send me a pic of it in gymnastics class.
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Nothing to hide then release all the tapes:


Israel Must Release the Full Raid Tapes

“If the Israeli government is convinced they took the appropriate action in this case, they can go a long way toward proving that by giving us the whole tape. If not, we have to assume they're hiding something. That opens them up to justifiable speculation as to what they really did on board that ship. In the end, nine passengers were killed and dozens more shot and wounded. How did that happen? Was it in any way justifiable? There's only one way to know. Release the tapes.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/israel-must-release-the-f_b_598116.html

After having stormed the vessels, the detained activists said Israeli forces confiscated all mobile phones, laptops, and cash.
http://www.israel-palestinenews.org/2010/06/detained-flotilla-activist-i-saw-blood.html
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John, I think you hit the male on the head.

Payback is exactly what he wants...
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Nothing to hide...heh. I wonder if HuffPo will ever get around to demanding full disclosure from Obama. Release your records! Like a birth certificate, school records, college transcripts, passport and selective service records, financial aid records, medical history, ya know, just the normal stuff every President has released. NAH. Won't every happen.

Interesting...I heard that Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian President, and Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president, support the blockade.  
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"I heard that Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian President, and Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president, support the blockade."

Where did you hear that, Denise? I've seen several sources quoting Abbas as saying "The Israeli blockade on the Palestinian crossings in Gaza should end once and for all" so I'd really like to read anything that disputes that quote. Also, since Egypt has opened their border indefinitely to "human traffic", last I read, doesn't seem to make much sense they'd say they support the blockade.


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     We had a previous discussion about missiles, Mike.

     I did not ask you to supply sources.

     I did not ask you to clarify your time-line.

     I did not ask you to be specific about which missiles came from where and which responses came from where and what was the proportionality of each.

     Should you wish to follow up on the ridiculous discussion about who did what to whom first, and since you're trying to start chucking numbers around that I think are unimportant and show only that everybody's got a right to be steamed at everybody else, please be prepared to supply the details and sources of those numbers should you wish to continue.  I'd very much like to know where you got that sort of number and what the likelihood is of it being anything related to reality.

     My belief is that everybody is acting badly and believes they're right.

     Apparently you believe something different.  Exactly what would that be, so we can get the dimensions of this out on the table?

     I happen to believe that the Palestinians and the Israelis are reacting badly.  You might disprove this by showing that one side or the other is reacting brilliantly and in a praiseworthy fashion.  In that case, you'd have to explain why everybody doesn't find that to be obvious, and why praise is not universally heaped on one party to the absolute exclusion of the other.  Moral, praiseworthy and ethical behavior would more or less be self evident and acclaimed, as it was on the part of Mandela or Ghandi, given a bit of time for things to clarify.  Say thirty or forty or fifty years.

     What we have here is a world-wide discussion about the idiocy of brothers.  Some people favor one, some people favor the other.  

     You have a position that says that the Israelis are right and the Palestinians are wrong.

     I hope you will be able to correct me here and say, once again, Bob, you ignorant Personage, you've got it wrong.  This is the mother of getting it wrong.

     Now Grinch might say, The Palestinians are right and the Israelis are wrong; I don't know.  I'd disagree with that, too.  I think they're pretty much mirror images of the evil in each other and mirror images of the best in each other as well.  Brothers are often that way.  That's why they often bang each other's heads on the floor.

     What happens every time some fool launches a missile into Israel from someplace remotely muslim?  What's Israeli policy?  With luck it's only the house that's torn down.  Say your Ex wants to get back at you and hires somebody to launch a patriotic rocket in the direction of Israel — do you think she knows a better place to fire it from?  You're out of town.

     Maybe I'm simply being paranoid, of course.  It'd never happen.

     Never.

     When was that vacation again, Mike?
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     Starvation?  I suspect there was and is some, but that it is more from how closely the food supply supplied is being matched to the food needed.  Money ends up making an enormous difference in the equity of the distribution and some folks end up on the short end of things.  I had a quick search through some of the literature and this seems some of the middle of the road stuff.  You can find material to the left and the right of it, if you want.

     Hope you find this a decent starting place at least.
http://rete-eco.it/it/gruppi-ebraici/jvfp/6991-israel-deliberately-keeps-gaza-on-the-edge-of-starvation-.html
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=171509
http://www.haaretz.com/news/un-human-rights-official-gaza-evokes-memories-of-warsaw-ghetto-1.268743
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/05/israels-exclusion-and-restriction-of-goods-to-gaza/
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2010/051910Lendman.shtml
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Here you go, Jen:

The Palestinian Authority and Egypt oppose lifting Israel's naval blockade of the Gaza Strip but both call for easing the overland flow of goods to Gaza's 1.5 million residents.

PA President Mahmoud Abbas made his position known to US President Barack Obama at a meeting in the White House last Wednesday. According to European diplomatic sources quoted in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, Mr Abbas said the blockade should remain in place to avoid bolstering Hamas, which has ruled the coastal strip since seizing it from the PA three years ago.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-and-egypt-want-israels-gaza-blockade-to-stay/story-e6frg6so-1225879176545


Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas is opposed to lifting the naval blockade of the Gaza Strip because this would bolster Hamas, according to what he told United States President Barack Obama during their meeting at the White House Wednesday. Egypt also supports this position.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/abbas-to-obama-i-m-against-lifting-the-gaza-naval-blockade-1.295771


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Thanks Denise. Here's what I have:

Direct quotes, named sources, not “reportedlies”-

Abbas: We demand an end to Gaza siege; entire world stands with us
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/abbas-we-demand-an-end-to-gaza-siege-entire-world-stands-with-us-1.295409[/URL]  


"The Israeli blockade on the Palestinian crossings in Gaza should end once and for all"  
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129937§ionid=351020202[/URL]  

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hYYJV8c2wdSSrCUc9f68vgl31MRw TARGET=_blank>http://timesofindia.indiatimes.  com/world/middle-east/Mahmud-Abbas-says-Gaza-flotilla-probe-should-not-be-left-to-Israel/articleshow/6034677.cms[/URL]  http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hYYJV8c2wdSSrCUc9f68vgl31MRw  

And this -

“Another attempt to distort facts” “Describing the report as "absurd" and baseless, the PLO official said it "lacks any credible source, can be so irresponsibly published."

PA denies report Abbas maintaining Gaza siege
Chief PLO negotiator Saeb Erekat, who accompanied Abbas on his US visit, further denounced the report that the Palestinian leader had requested a continuation of the blockade. On Sunday, he said the accusation was "yet another disinformation attempt aimed at distorting facts and deflecting Israel’s responsibility to end the illegal and inhuman siege on Gaza," a statement read.

“President Abbas has been demanding complete and unconditional lifting of Israel’s illegal siege over Gaza, which he reiterated during his recent meetings with World leaders.”

On the same day, the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz reported that Abbas was opposed to lifting the naval blockade of the Gaza Strip because it would bolster Hamas, allegedly putting forward his stance to Obama during their meeting last Wednesday at the White House.

"The issue has been and will continue to be the main focus in all our discussions until our people in Gaza are free and the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem is ended," Erekat said.

Describing the report as "absurd" and baseless, the PLO official said it "lacks any credible source, can be so irresponsibly published."

"The illegal blockade has nothing to do with the Hamas since Gaza has been closed long before Hamas took control. Israel must end its unlawful blockade. Until then, Israel has certain obligations under international law to provide for the local population," Erekat said.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=291696
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Contradictory statements. Only Obama knows for sure what Abbas said to him!

Who knows for sure. I'd place my bets for truthfulness coming more from the European Diplomats rather than a spokesperson for the PLO, though. But I could be wrong.

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Who were the European diplomats at the meeting?
 
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