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Balladeer
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0 posted 11-02-2001 08:09 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer


With all due respect to Interloper, he has asked for a comment if his poetry is out of line and I am going to attempt to explain the philosophy of the Open Forum to all so that, hopefully, the poets posting here will understand and no one will feel they are being picked on personally. I would have preferred to do this in Feelings or the Alley but, since he has decided to use the Open Forum to criticize the operation of the Forum, I will answer here.
    The Open forum is a family-oriented site. Thousands of people come here to read poetry that we don't even know about. They are not members and do not post comments...they simply come here to read poetry. The idea that Ron had by creating the Open Forum was to have a place where anyone, regardless of age, could come to read enjoyable poetry. The Adult Forum was created for those who wished to be a little more risque with their writing and that is why a password is needed. The poetry posted on the Open Forum should be acceptable for anyone to read.
    Love, of course, is one of the greatest topics of poets...always has been and always will be. There is a difference between love and sex. There is a difference between making love and having sex. Poetry that deals strictly with sex or having sex is not acceptable for the Open Forum.
     Second, and VERY important, is that we must always keep in mind that those who post here are more than poets...they are PEOPLE. People with lives, with families, husbands, wives, kids.....Interloper, with all due respect, let's suppose for argument's sake that Decaflame, for example, is married.  Let's suppose that she has a jealous husband who reads her poetry and the responses she receives. He sees a poem dedicated to her. He sees a man writing about meeting his wife in a hotel room, undressing her and exploring passion with her. Do you suppose he will smile at the man's "poetic license"? Would you? Perhaps Jenn's husband would not care to read about her being covered with honey and whipped cream by another man. I'm sure Kit has NEVER said anything provocative or off-color to invite anything in kind and yet you are kissing her bare throat and pulling her toward you as the passion builds in both of you....explain that one to Mr. Kit or her children? These are PEOPLE...it is our responsibility to know who we are dealing with. There are single ladies here who enjoy flirting....fine. There are married people, like SEA, who states openly that her husband does not mind her flirting at all...fine. But we must respect all and realize that our words bear consequences.

    You may think, Interloper, that I am picking on you personally. I'm not. I would have preferred this to have been said in private correspondence but you have chosen to use the Open Forum to publicly announce your displeasure for the moderators who like to "play God". The moderators here put in many hours of their own time, without reward, simply to keep the poetry site something that Ron, and we all, can be proud of. If you, or anyone else, feels that we are not doing a good job, then you may petition Ron to replace us but we are not going to be used as "whipping boys" on the same site we are moderating. Ron has set the guidelines. They are not stringent or unfair. We do our best to follow them. All who can accept the gracefully are welcome here. It's really not a bad place......
Irish Rose
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1 posted 11-02-2001 08:22 PM       View Profile for Irish Rose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Irish Rose

I've been here for a long time also. I joined to post poetry. I never took place in all the flirting, not because I was any better than anyone else I just didn't feel comfortable with it. I agree that the line has been crossed between innocent flirting and more graphic material. It snuck up on us like a frog being boiled in water. It just really got to be too much and even I didn't see it.  


I hope that everyone who reads this will read it with intention of making the forum a better place for those who love poetry as I do and that personal differences or ideas will take a back seat.

Thanks for bringing this to light.
Balladeer
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2 posted 11-02-2001 08:32 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I thank you, Irish Rose, for your thoughts.."A frog boiled in water...?" Now THAT'S poetic!!
Logan
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3 posted 11-02-2001 08:33 PM       View Profile for Logan   Email Logan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Logan

Well, Balladeer, guess Rose beat me on being first, hope I am not last, my ol grandaddy use to say, "son, there is a time and a place for everything." and you have spelled it out quite well. Now, I haven't been able to be around much lately, to my disappointment and seem to have missed a thing or two apparently. But, ol son, got to agree with you and thank you for being quite up front..gentle smile
rascalx
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4 posted 11-02-2001 08:34 PM       View Profile for rascalx   Email rascalx   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit rascalx's Home Page   View IP for rascalx

Balladeer,

     Perfectly said! I am one of those persons whose personal life is not meant to be on display here and who must show some discretion regarding what is meant by or read into my words. The guidelines set up by Ron are necessary to make sure that other people do not get offended or get the wrong ideas/impressions. I'm a flirt and a hopeless romantic and also a very passionate lover but there is another place for that kind of writing. I do not ask that my fellow poets/friends here like everything I write nor do I expect them to understand every glimpse I give into who I am on or off "the page" but I do ask them to respect my talents as well as my privacy.
                   - Jeffrey E. Osborne
Startime
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5 posted 11-02-2001 08:54 PM       View Profile for Startime   Email Startime   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Startime's Home Page   View IP for Startime

Being the gentleman, you are, Balladeer, you have written with style regarding the guidelines set out for us to follow so that this forum will remain a beautiful place for all who come to post or read. You are right there is a place for our more risque material and I, for one, totally enjoy that forum. I let myself get a little out of hand with the flirting I have done and will try to think first before I comment. *giggling* of course you know that thinking before I react emotionally to a poem I read is not a very natural thing for me but I will give it my best shot.
Thank you, so much, for caring enough about all of us to explain this to us.    

Love I leave with you whether it is in your life now or yet the essense of your dreams.

Magnus
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6 posted 11-02-2001 09:00 PM       View Profile for Magnus   Email Magnus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Magnus

I have been at passions only about two weeks.

In spite of the thousands of posts that I have
sat in awe watching whizz by,  I have become
very aware of a well oiled poetic machine
that gives respect to the poets.  I do not
feel any poet has been overly moderated.

I agree with Baladeer.  Risque material
belongs elsewhere.  The adult forum is a
spot where there is far less chance of someone becoming offended.

Baladeer sir,  I commend you on a well written and adult response.  You have said
well my very own thoughts.

Poet deVine
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7 posted 11-02-2001 09:01 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Well said Balladeer! Your way with words extends beyond poetry here sir! I bow to you.

I've felt uncomfortable with the trend here in Open and thus have stepped back a bit lately, reading but replying seldom. But I love this place and have been here since the first blue paint was brushed on the walls and nothing can pry me out of it. I'll be here til the last light flickers out - which will not be for a couple of hundred years I hope!
Janet Marie
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8 posted 11-02-2001 09:11 PM       View Profile for Janet Marie   Email Janet Marie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Janet Marie

Sometimes we need to be reminded...
sometimes we need reality checks.
Sometimes we forget the whole world dont revolve around poets and poetry
(did I SAY THAT??)    

SPAMMMMMY SMOOOOCHES DEAR FAIR DEER

  
Nan
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9 posted 11-02-2001 09:16 PM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

Well, then, Deer - Your eloquent words have said it all.. What more can I add?... except for one important point.

This site is Ron's - plain and simple - He sets the guidelines - equally plain and simple... Ron is the most 'fair' man I've ever had the pleasure of meeting.  He'll bend over backwards to give each and every member a fair shot.

Ron personally gave his approval for this seemingly lighthearted series of poems, and  I know this - If I had been approved for such a venture, I certainly wouldn't abuse his kindly indulgence...
Ousiders Cattermole
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10 posted 11-02-2001 09:16 PM       View Profile for Ousiders Cattermole   Email Ousiders Cattermole   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ousiders Cattermole

"...only the intellectually lost argue...", according to Oscar Wilde.
rwood
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11 posted 11-02-2001 09:25 PM       View Profile for rwood   Email rwood   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for rwood

Dearest Balladeer....Thank you for making things clear....I
hope all is poetic here...as it always has been before.

I feel I'm guilty too
Of a little flirty coo
So If you... or any other
If it's not too much bother
Would move my "Passions Shower Starters"
To the Adult forum as follows

No problem...I'll choose a password
I'm sorry if offense be stirred
But If Interloper be blamed
I too should be treated the same

I'll stand by this wonderful site
And all that really do try
To make this a place for family ties
Rules are rules and I apologize

I hope our spirit here stays
Very much the same
Iíll try to be more sensual
Instead of being sexual

So let me be the first
To say I was a flirt
And though I'm not ashamed
For it was just a game

I sincerely understand
No need for reprimand

Though Interloper's fun
Was to me...left very undone
I see the point and appreciate
The family orient of Open's space

So now my thoughts are in a whirl
As to my brand new password
If they will be so kind you see
To let me in as KINKY me!!!

You are good people!

Sincerely,
Regina...aka Rejezzy  
doreen peri
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12 posted 11-02-2001 09:27 PM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

we can't flirt any more???? arghhhhhh!!!! what shall i do??? where will i go?????

lol

just kidding

seriously, though, i haven't been here enough to know what this is all about, though i did receive a beautiful poem written to me by interloper which was awesome and delightful and flirtatious but with class and finesse.. and i know a few more were written to others following that, but i have only read a couple of them

yes, words can often be misinterpreted, i'm sure.... on the interenet all we have is words.... and we must post them responsibly, knowing that those who read them can be effected by them

i think flirtation and fun is very healthy, though, and obviously i'm not a moderator here, but we all must be aware of what we write and how it can effect others.... the relating on this board is very important... it keeps it alive and dynamic and creative and guidelines are in place for the purpose of things not getting out of hand like i've seen on other boards and here i am rambling but... that's just me

for whatever reason it was decided that topic be addressed to the community at passions, i respect that.....

i think writing love poetry is a beautiful thing and having them written for me is a treasure to me but i'm single so i guess it's different for me than for others who aren't..... i'm just a carefree single lost poet soul writing my heart and poetry is expression which is what it's all about....

i'll tell you one thing.... i could never be a moderator here, even though it's been offered to me in the past, because the job to figure out which words are ok and which aren't ok would just be too big of a task for this heart to handle.....

anyway, thanks for this

love you to, michael........
Balladeer
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13 posted 11-02-2001 09:37 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

My thanks to all for your comments and understanding...

regina, you have no problem there with your poem...it was not written as strictly sexual and it was not written to any one specific poet on the site without his permission..it was simply an open flirtation to all in a cutesy way....nothing wrong with that.
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14 posted 11-02-2001 09:38 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

mea culpa, Michael.
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15 posted 11-02-2001 09:43 PM       View Profile for The Rusty Knight   Email The Rusty Knight   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit The Rusty Knight's Home Page   View IP for The Rusty Knight

I really like this forum.  I enjoy posting and the comments and reading and commenting on others poems.  The forum is what it is because the guiding hand of the moderators have kept a place where all can feel comfortable posting and reading.  You made some very valid points sir and for me I have no problem with anything you said.  
Dan

Death comes not when we cease to breathe, but when we cease to dream.

Midnitesun
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16 posted 11-02-2001 10:01 PM       View Profile for Midnitesun   Email Midnitesun   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Midnitesun

Well, I read this and I read the replies from Ron. Perhaps many things posted here lately should be in the Adult forum. I believe the traumatic events of September, and the need to for some 'relief' from tension have a great deal to do with the overwhelmingly positive response to anything connected to "LOVE," including stepping over the Pips boundaries a bit. Perhaps it would be best to first email the 'subject' of the poem, with a copy of the intended post, and request a personal OK, then post in Adult if the material is beyond "PG". If Interloper is guilty, then I am equally guilty by virtue of enjoying and commenting on his posts. Rules are rules, and we all have to follow them or move on down the road. I enjoy posting here, but also sometimes post on a site of 'anarchy', unmoderated, and a free-for-all that often goes way beyond anything even open minded people can enjoy. which is the reason I spend more time here than there. And last, but not least, if I have ever offended anyone, I am truly sorry.
Irish Rose
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17 posted 11-02-2001 10:03 PM       View Profile for Irish Rose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Irish Rose

and I PROMISE to tone down my poetry in the future, I have another side and she isn't as chaste as me (ha ha) no, I'm kidding, but
I too have been a little toooooo shall we say froggy lately !

Kathleen
nickname "Kay"

"Others can stop you temporarily, but only you can do it permanently."

Larry C
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18 posted 11-02-2001 10:05 PM       View Profile for Larry C   Email Larry C   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Larry C's Home Page   View IP for Larry C

Balladeer,
All good points well made and hopefully well taken. Done with class I must add. Thanks.
Nightshade
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19 posted 11-02-2001 10:16 PM       View Profile for Nightshade   Email Nightshade   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nightshade's Home Page   View IP for Nightshade

Balladeer, I too am guilty of a little harmless flirting....at least I hope it didn't harm anyone. I thoroughly enjoy reading all of the wonderous poetry, and once in awhile like to contribute if my muse is not taking a nap. I apologize for over stepping my bounds. Chris  

Life is not measured by breaths you take, but by moments that take your breath away.

Balladeer
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20 posted 11-02-2001 10:16 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

midnitesun...you have hit on it exactly. Harmless flirtations are fun...they have been an ingredient which has bonded this group together into much more of a family than other sites. The only thing is that it is important to make sure that the other is open or willing to the interplay. A simple e-mail or question would do nicely. Jeez, I e-mailed Marge years ago (it seems) and said, "Hey, Marge! You are fun! Wanna flirt?" On the other hand, someone may say, "I'm sorry but it would present a problem here at home" and one would know to respect that. Midnitesun, YOU have not offended anyone, believe me  

Please understand, nightshade and others, harmless flirtations are fine...it's when we get into specific details like undressing each other, covering each other with kisses, join in passionate intertwining and all that jazz is when we cross the line...

[This message has been edited by Balladeer (edited 11-02-2001).]

jwesley
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21 posted 11-02-2001 10:36 PM       View Profile for jwesley   Email jwesley   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jwesley

Very Well Said MR. B, and very respectfully I might add.

jwesley
BluesSerenade
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22 posted 11-02-2001 10:45 PM       View Profile for BluesSerenade   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for BluesSerenade

I panic easily!!  I hope I haven't said anything to offended anyone.  This is such a compassionate group of people, and I so enjoy the variety of poetry, the interaction and encouraging words are not easy to come by.  Right when I think I've found my niche I certainly hope I haven't said anything to muck it up.   If I have I apologize. Since I'm a newbie, I'm gonna think I can get away with this question.  When I registered I recieved the mail from Ron welcoming me and informing me of my password and such.  I understand that he put this forum together, but who is Ron, and what's his handle?  (oh no, my hair is turning blonder by the minute)  I've enjoyed your poetry Balladeer, and I  respect what you've said here.      
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23 posted 11-02-2001 10:51 PM       View Profile for Mistletoe Angel   Email Mistletoe Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Mistletoe Angel's Home Page   View IP for Mistletoe Angel



(big hugggssssssss) Oh Balladeer, I understand so wonderfully! (sigh) There is a place for all kinds of poetry here, and our families and friends and loved ones always come united together to share our poetic passions! This week, I've had a poem moved to the Poetry for Adults forum just one day after I turned 18! I have had many sensual dreams in my desire to fall in love, and many times I can't help but write down my sexual fantasies. (sigh) You speak of the essence and guidelines of this wonderful forum so very well, and we all are so proud of you! (big hugggsssssss)

May love and light always shine upon you!

Love,
Noah Eaton
Lucie
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24 posted 11-02-2001 10:56 PM       View Profile for Lucie   Email Lucie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Lucie

My mother used to sing a song to me.. and if I may.. not trying to steal the rights.. but the point is.. sometimes what isn't said.. is just as delightful.. it went kinda like this...


There once was a farmer who took a young Miss,
In back of the barn where he gave her a ....
Lecture on horses and chickens and eggs,
and told her that she had such beautiful....
Manners outstanding a girl of her charms,
a girl that he wanted to take in his ...
Washing and ironing and then if they did,
they could get married and raise lots of ...
Sweet violets... sweeter then the roses..
covered all over from head to toe
covered all over with sweet violets.


Big Grins.... to the Moderators..

If I must apologize though.. I think I might have said something a bit riske' in one of my poems to Larry C.. I admit it.. I said.. well... I said he had Brains... oh geesh.. sorry guys.. grabbing the soap.. washin my mouth.. hehehehe

With perseverance even the snail reached the Ark.

 
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